Reactions and comments to The CIRC report

[RobbieCanuck]

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Here are a few reactions and comments on what the CIRC Report revealed about Nein, aka Hein, Verbruggen:

Nancy Amour, USA Today: Lies of Lance Armstrong keep coming
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/cycling/2015/03/09/lance-armstrong-circ-report-inestigation-uci-doping-tour-de-france/24671189/

Former UCI president Hein Verbruggen's claim that the CIRC report shows there was no complicity or cover-up is simply laughable

Travis Tygart, USADA, Statement from USADA CEO Travis T. Tygart on the Cycling Independent Reform Commission Report
http://www.usada.org/tygartstatementcircreport/

“A stunning example of deceit found by the CIRC is that the UCI, under the explicit direction of Hein Verbruggen and Pat McQuaid, commissioned a supposedly ‘independent’ investigation of Armstrong’s positive samples from the Tour de France. According to the CIRC, the UCI then conspired to allow what was sold to the public as an ‘independent’ report to be re-written by Armstrong’s own lawyer and sports agent in order to conceal Armstrong’s doping.

Brent Schrotenboer, USA Today, Report details Lance Armstrong's 'special relationship'
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/cycling/2015/03/08/lance-armstrong-circ-report-vrijman--tour-de-france/24626605/

the CIRC report now shows Armstrong's team helped draft the Vrijman report. It also said Armstrong's agent, Bill Stapleton, was involved with it too, and that he even reassured former UCI President Hein Verbruggen that the report would cast blame on WADA.

Ian Austin, NY Times, Report Says Doping Was Ignored to Shield Armstrong
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/09/sports/cycling/cycling-union-ignored-doping-and-protected-lance-armstrong-commission-finds.html?ref=sports&_r=1

(Lance Armstrong's agent) Mr. Stapleton also sought to reassure Mr. Verbruggen. “The (Vrijman report) document is going after WADA as I know you (and we) want them to do and as they should,” he wrote.

The commission concluded that the “main goal was to ensure that the (Vrijman) report reflected U.C.I.’s and Lance Armstrong’s personal conclusions.”

David Walsh, The Sunday Times, The truth hurts
http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/sport/cycling/article1531091.ece

"...it shows how the most important officials of that era, Hein Verbruggen and Pat McQuaid, failed utterly in their duty to be the guardians of their sport.

The CIRC’s report says the two former presidents were not corrupt and did not use the office of UCI presidency for private gain. Reacting to the report, Verbruggen, who remains honorary life president of the UCI, said: “I am not a criminal, I don’t feel guilty of anything.”

When a sports administrator’s defence is that he is not a criminal, there are probably good reasons for concern. The 228-page report clearly details how Verbruggen and later McQuaid showed preferential treatment towards Lance Armstrong, without which the Texan’s cheating could not have gone undetected. The farce that underpinned the infamous Vrijman report in 2006 best illustrates the lengths to which the UCI’s leadership were prepared to go to protect Armstrong. ...

...It wasn’t just a complete dereliction of Verbruggen’s and McQuaid’s duties to the sport but a cynical use of a deeply flawed and tainted report to protect the guilty. "

Dave.

Great summary Dave.

1. It is incumbent on the UCI to remove Verbruggen as the Honorary President of the UCI forwith! How did he ever get that appointment to begin with? What were they thinking?

2. We now learn LA intends to "preride" several stages of the TDF to raise money for cancer. This is so cynical and slimy. Lance does not give $h!t about cancer. All he is doing is engaging in a PR move as part of his ludicrous attempts at redemption, which he has proven over and over again are not sincere. If he goes ahead hopefully the smart people in France will give him the welcome he deserves.

 

[DirtyWorks]

I know I saw Wonderboy's crackpot scheme in a movie. It was a fun, easy movie. You cannot make this stuff up and it's only March!!!!

The UCI cannot fire He in as football cannot fire Blatter and F1 cannot fire Bernie.

Blatter has a permanent voting seat at WADA too. That inspires confidence.

 

[RobbieCanuck]

I know I saw Wonderboy's crackpot scheme in a movie. It was a fun, easy movie. You cannot make this stuff up and it's only March!!!!

The UCI cannot fire He in as football cannot fire Blatter and F1 cannot fire Bernie.

Blatter has a permanent voting seat at WADA too. That inspires confidence.

DW - why not? Is it written into their constitution or something? Like is HV honorary president for life? If so the UCI needs to change its constitution.

 

[D-Queued]

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Great summary Dave.

1. It is incumbent on the UCI to remove Verbruggen as the Honorary President of the UCI forwith! How did he ever get that appointment to begin with? What were they thinking?

2. We now learn LA intends to "preride" several stages of the TDF to raise money for cancer. This is so cynical and slimy. Lance does not give $h!t about cancer. All he is doing is engaging in a PR move as part of his ludicrous attempts at redemption, which he has proven over and over again are not sincere. If he goes ahead hopefully the smart people in France will give him the welcome he deserves.

Thanks Robbie.

But, F*** me on Lance's plans.

Unbelievably disgusting. Even for Lance.

Dave.

 

[adker1]

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Here are a few reactions and comments on what the CIRC Report revealed about Nein, aka Hein, Verbruggen:



Travis Tygart, USADA, Statement from USADA CEO Travis T. Tygart on the Cycling Independent Reform Commission Report
http://www.usada.org/tygartstatementcircreport/

“A stunning example of deceit found by the CIRC is that the UCI, under the explicit direction of Hein Verbruggen and Pat McQuaid, commissioned a supposedly ‘independent’ investigation of Armstrong’s positive samples from the Tour de France. According to the CIRC, the UCI then conspired to allow what was sold to the public as an ‘independent’ report to be re-written by Armstrong’s own lawyer and sports agent in order to conceal Armstrong’s doping.

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Dave.

I opted not to re-quote the entire post but all of it is essentially the same. There are so many that are angry that there is not a GOTCHA Lance and leadership that we are failing to see the forest from the trees.

Yes this leadership was corrupt but go back and sit where they sat at that time. The sport was the biggest it had ever been, viewership was huge sponsors were jumping in, money was flowing and for once Cycling meant something because of this guy. You catch him doping but at the same time it is clear they knew everyone was doping, Way more then the rest of us realized. 5 years ago I was on these boards listening to people say he stole by doping from the clean guys. Show me the clean guys. That was the perspective then and Lance was the villain. Now we know they were all villeins and at that time I have to believe the leadership did too. So out Lance and he can drag the entire sport down with him. Or ride the wave and know that it really does no good to catch him only bad. (I am not excusing it but I understand the perspective)

Then toiled in a web of lies and deceit it started to spiral out of control until they dug so deep they were in a purely defensive posture. Stop trying to nail Lance, stop talking about what an ass he is, that is yesterdays news as well as all the people who covered for him. I think it is clear now that Lance was no more a cheat then everyone else (I know that is tough pill for life long haters) he was just the king of the cheats. and an ***. Not news!

What CIRC needed to do and did was write a final chapter whether you like the way it ended (they did not nail my bad guy enough) or not. It is a Mess, they uncovered enough to make that really clear stop focusing on the detail and look at the big picture. The issue here seems to be the people close to the sport cannot get past what DID happen and trying to hold one person accountable for it, it was all of them. And until we get past that you cannot move forward. All of the insiders you quoted just seem like bitter people that no one is in jail yet. We are driving this car forward with the front window blacked out staring in the rear view mirror.

 

[DirtyWorks]

I know I saw Wonderboy's crackpot scheme in a movie. It was a fun, easy movie. You cannot make this stuff up and it's only March!!!!

The UCI cannot fire He in as football cannot fire Blatter and F1 cannot fire Bernie.

Blatter has a permanent voting seat at WADA too. That inspires confidence.

DW - why not? Is it written into their constitution or something? Like is HV honorary president for life? If so the UCI needs to change its constitution.

Not in the constitution.

Like every good organized crime group, the UCI has more than one set of rules.
1. A published Constitution that is brief,
2. unpublished rules.

The management committee is free to grant lifetime appointments. It's a common thing in IOC politics.

 

[Benotti69]

I know I saw Wonderboy's crackpot scheme in a movie. It was a fun, easy movie. You cannot make this stuff up and it's only March!!!!

The UCI cannot fire He in as football cannot fire Blatter and F1 cannot fire Bernie.

Blatter has a permanent voting seat at WADA too. That inspires confidence.

DW - why not? Is it written into their constitution or something? Like is HV honorary president for life? If so the UCI needs to change its constitution.

Not in the constitution.

Like every good organized crime group, the UCI has more than one set of rules.
1. A published Constitution that is brief,
2. unpublished rules.

The management committee is free to grant lifetime appointments. It's a common thing in IOC politics.

Cookson was on the management committee

 

[D-Queued]

I know I saw Wonderboy's crackpot scheme in a movie. It was a fun, easy movie. You cannot make this stuff up and it's only March!!!!

The UCI cannot fire He in as football cannot fire Blatter and F1 cannot fire Bernie.

Blatter has a permanent voting seat at WADA too. That inspires confidence.

DW - why not? Is it written into their constitution or something? Like is HV honorary president for life? If so the UCI needs to change its constitution.

Not in the constitution.

Like every good organized crime group, the UCI has more than one set of rules.
1. A published Constitution that is brief,
2. unpublished rules.

The management committee is free to grant lifetime appointments. It's a common thing in IOC politics.

Cookson was on the management committee

So was Sylvia Schenk, but that didn't stop Hein from appointing McQuaid.

Dave.

 

[mrhender]

Wonderful?

So after some months the UCI have delivered something re: CIRC report:

An e-mail address.........................!

http://cyclingtips.com.au/2015/06/ucicadf-anti-doping-whistleblower-hotline-in-place/

 

[Dear Wiggo]

dat transparency

 

[mrhender]

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dat transparency

Yup.. Considering the willingness in the peloton to engage with CIRC I reckon they need a lot of manpower in CADF to take on the pile of mails coming in 3...2..1.

Oh wait...

 

[mrhender]

And not only do we get an email address for CADF...

But also.... And here it comes....

A website for Hein:

http://www.verbruggen.ch/

The recently published CIRC Report was an opportunity finally to draw a close to the debate. However, this opportunity has been tragically missed because, when finalised, the report turned out to be just one more political manoeuvre, rather than an exercise in fact finding and truth seeking.

For this reason, I have decided to create this website. On it, I will publish all of the documents, letters and reports that were left out, or deliberately ignored by the CIRC. Why the CIRC decided to make these glaring omissions is not clear – but it was certainly not in the pursuit of objectivity and proper analysis.

I have my own perspective, which I explain on this website. I accept that many people will disagree, and many will never change their minds. However I am making all of my documents freely available here so that you, the reader, can come to your own views based on all of the information that had been provided to the CIRC

 

[RobbieCanuck]

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And not only do we get an email address for CADF...

But also.... And here it comes....

A website for Hein:

http://www.verbruggen.ch/

The recently published CIRC Report was an opportunity finally to draw a close to the debate. However, this opportunity has been tragically missed because, when finalised, the report turned out to be just one more political manoeuvre, rather than an exercise in fact finding and truth seeking.

For this reason, I have decided to create this website. On it, I will publish all of the documents, letters and reports that were left out, or deliberately ignored by the CIRC. Why the CIRC decided to make these glaring omissions is not clear – but it was certainly not in the pursuit of objectivity and proper analysis.

I have my own perspective, which I explain on this website. I accept that many people will disagree, and many will never change their minds. However I am making all of my documents freely available here so that you, the reader, can come to your own views based on all of the information that had been provided to the CIRC

Ah yes good old Hein who has no credibility at all. The three CIRC Commissioners have more experience in one finger assessing credibility than Hein has had in his whole life. The fact they reject his nonsense indicates what everyone in the Clinic has been saying since Hein got involved in the UCI - he was useless, he covered up doping, he was self absorbed, he was ego driven and he was corrupt.

If one reads the CIRC report it is clear these experienced Commissioners carefully assessed the evidence that was provided to them and rejected what they considered unreliable as any inquiry tribunal would be entitled to do. Over the last year or so these three very qualified men learned more about doping in cycling than any one man has learned over the last 25 years. Hein's ego simply cannot handle the truth. He and Armstrong have a lot in common.

 

[neineinei]

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And not only do we get an email address for CADF...

But also.... And here it comes....

A website for Hein:

http://www.verbruggen.ch/

The recently published CIRC Report was an opportunity finally to draw a close to the debate. However, this opportunity has been tragically missed because, when finalised, the report turned out to be just one more political manoeuvre, rather than an exercise in fact finding and truth seeking.

For this reason, I have decided to create this website. On it, I will publish all of the documents, letters and reports that were left out, or deliberately ignored by the CIRC. Why the CIRC decided to make these glaring omissions is not clear – but it was certainly not in the pursuit of objectivity and proper analysis.

I have my own perspective, which I explain on this website. I accept that many people will disagree, and many will never change their minds. However I am making all of my documents freely available here so that you, the reader, can come to your own views based on all of the information that had been provided to the CIRC

I'm quite disapointed the URL isn't facts4Hein.com, but hey, it might be available for Kimmage?

 

[D-Queued]

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I'm quite disapointed the URL isn't facts4Hein.com, but hey, it might be available for Kimmage?

But, seriously. A .ch?

Hasn't he learned anything?

He needs to go global, and he needs the .org to infer not for profit.

Then, we need something more sympathetic. Unfortunately, the ILuvHein is overplaying an already tired theme as is LetHeinRide. Does Hein even know how to ride a bike?

Maybe a bit more of a play on first initials. That never gets tiresome.

http://www.hateheinhere.org has a nice ring to it.

Or, perhaps http://www.hehehein.org for grins and giggles.

But, honestly, if it is truth we are after - while acknowledging that Hein can try and trademark Truth as others before him tried, then there can be only one:

http://www.heinhelpshimself.org.

Maybe time to purchase a domain or two like these and have them point to the site. You know, to help him out and everything.

Dave.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

www.spankthatheiny.org

 

[sniper]

Hein does nicely put to bed the myth that the CIRC was somehow independent.

@DearWiggo, that link doesn't work for me.

 

[heart_attack_man]

I'm gob-smacked at the crap that Hein is putting forward in his "Right of Reply"... Though I don't know why I should be any more.

He's going on about all of the inequities that have been portrayed by WADA and *** Pound wrt Armstrong's '99 sample being identified in l'Equipe, yet clearly losing sight of the fact that there should, in fact, be no doping in the sport. He's worried about how WADA have gone about doing things, rather than what the UCI could actually do to address doping in their own sport.

http://www.verbruggen.ch/summary-of-criticisms/

It makes for some interesting - if not deluded - reading.

There really is something to be said about running sports federations though - Sepp Blatter, Hein Verbruggen, Max Mosley (back in the day...), Juan Antonio Samaranche - they're all characters cut from the same piece of cloth really. A cloth that's made out of human excrement.

Edit: I probably should add, that there are some things that he points out that are worthwhile pointing out though - the crap about Womens Cycling being underdeveloped etc. - I can't remember what it said in the CIRC about this, but if there was indeed any mention of it, then that does[/] paint the report itself in a very bad light with regards to it's neutrality - especially considering that this was one of Cookson's love-children. What that has to do with the ToR I have no idea.

 

[frenchfry]

"His Majesty" goes on the warpath.This is one seriously delusional dude.

Got to love it when he defends the Vrijman Report as being independant, and criticises the CIRC report for not being independant.

I wonder if he spends his vacation with Blatter, they seem to have a lot in common.

 

[doperhopper]

Wow, Verduggen is really honest on his web:

The recently published CIRC Report was an opportunity finally to draw a close to the debate.

... and indeed that's how things went during his era, no "suspicious" debates, omerta in the peloton, and everybody covering everything for the sake of "good image".

The only question is, why now? Right after Liestrong went on attack after looooong period of silence, when he found the 100 million lawsuit has been unleashed. This CIRC thingy happened a while ago, why wait? And in any case, he should be happy CIRC was not supposed to do much harm anyway. Maybe there are some potential consequences of the megalawsuit for him... or just strategically working with his brother in (strong) arms. To create an atmosphere of doubts, uncertainty, or even induce some disconcert in the cycling circles (set people against Cookson, however toothless he may seem to us) to prevent any further action against him (he's still "honorary dictator", let's not forget), because, you know, "the talk should be over".

 

[heart_attack_man]

Wow, Verduggen is really honest on his web:

The recently published CIRC Report was an opportunity finally to draw a close to the debate.

... and indeed that's how things went during his era, no "suspicious" debates, omerta in the peloton, and everybody covering everything for the sake of "good image".

The only question is, why now? Right after Liestrong went on attack after looooong period of silence, when he found the 100 million lawsuit has been unleashed. This CIRC thingy happened a while ago, why wait? And in any case, he should be happy CIRC was not supposed to do much harm anyway. Maybe there are some potential consequences of the megalawsuit for him... or just strategically working with his brother in (strong) arms. To create an atmosphere of doubts, uncertainty, or even induce some disconcert in the cycling circles (set people against Cookson, however toothless he may seem to us) to prevent any further action against him (he's still "honorary dictator", let's not forget), because, you know, "the talk should be over".

What are those famous words? Follow the money. Not sure if it's related to Armstrong at all, but there'll only be a financial connection to this. Considering Blatter still won't leave FIFA, I reckon that you'll have to drag Hein out of there in a bodybag.

There must be something in the pipeline... When's the next election? Aren't the terms 4 years?Perhaps he's just making an early start on a different preferred candidate than Cookson.