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[VeloCity]

Wiggins said in Tour interview that all this happened "15 years ago"

15!!!!!!

That was when flipping Ullrich won the Tour, before even Pantani.

Wiggins is an idiot. Last time I checked, Bruyneel was running a team up until about a week ago.

 

[Mrs John Murphy]

Wiggins said in Tour interview that all this happened "15 years ago"

15!!!!!!

That was when flipping Ullrich won the Tour, before even Pantani.

He is going for the Armstrong test theory.

So it wasn't 2 years ago, it was 12 years ago, now it is 15 years ago, next time it will be 20 years ago.

I think he is working on the idea that if you repeat a lie often enough it will be accepted as truth.

Not that anyone in the media will ever call him for his bull****.

 

[hiero2]

REALLY good to see two more cyclists speaking out about what they have seen!

BEHOLD! A former Spanish pro who comes out with stuff that is not embarrassing to read!
http://www.elperiodicodearagon.com/...paje-era-pan-nuestro-de-cada-dia-_800575.html
Sergio Pérez. Pro from 2001 to 2004 (Relax, Baqué). Granted, not a big name, but hey, it's something.
Now, of course I disagree with him about not digging up the past, but at least he's honest about why he thinks that shouldn't be done. No BS from him.

Excellent article. I found the Google translation understandable. He says it is still bad - and will be until you get rid of the "old guard", example Riis.

http://www.as.com/opinion/articulo/estan-todos-pringaos/20121024dasdaiopi_10/Tes
He doesn't say much, but it's a pretty fun read. I might translate it later if you guys are interested, but I'm kind of busy right now.

I think he says a lot. He's clear and to the point.

"Quienes tenían más dinero para pagar a un buen médico, esos eran los mejores. Que nadie se engañe. El Tour de Francia no se gana comiendo lechuga, filetes de pollo o pasta con parmesano.""

"Those who had money to pay the best doctors, those were the best. Do not be fooled. The Tour de France is not won by eating lettuce, chicken fillets or pasta with parmesan." -> Pan y agua.

Great stuff! Another one saying the "old Guard", and the UCI (!) must change, and change big. He also gives insight into why a lot of riders don't want to talk - if everybody starts going back in time and re-examining tests, they are likely to get popped.

Wiggins said in Tour interview that all this happened "15 years ago"

15!!!!!!

That was when flipping Ullrich won the Tour, before even Pantani.

I agree - and while I like Evans statement* otherwise, he says 7-13 years, and it just ain't so. LA 2009-2010. Cadel is right, though, that the mentality is what is needed to change. Lemme see - 7 years would be 2005 - and we have a number or recent statements claiming 2006 and 2007 as their "last" year of doping. So give Cadel a year, ok. Interesting, but not the final word, imo.

*Evans:
"The things that have been talked about in the last few weeks happened between seven and 13 years ago. A lot's changed since then. From someone who rides in the front group, I can see and feel that there's been a lot of change."

Asked what exactly, he said, "I think it's been the mentality of the riders and the teams that has really caused the changes. That's what needed changing from years before."

 

[GJB123]

(He must have forgotten the 2009 tour where he experienced first hand the reaction from Lance when you cross paths with him).

I rather think he remembers all too well, and doesn't want to b thrown under the bus by Armstrong, Bruyneel, Marti and the likes. Chance is they know enough to crucify him, so he keeps playing along. In that respect I can understand his comments. although I have zero respect for him making those comments.

I wonder what it is that makes the others say the same thing. Valverde, Sanchez ad Indurain didn't share doctors, DS's or teammates with LA like AC did.

 

[Benotti69]

Asked what exactly, he said, "I think it's been the mentality of the riders and the teams that has really caused the changes. That's what needed changing from years before."[/URL]

The 'mentality' does not necessarily mean being clean. It might mean being more professional in their doping too to avoid getting caught.

 

[the asian]

I rather think he remembers all too well, and doesn't want to b thrown under the bus by Armstrong, Bruyneel, Marti and the likes. Chance is they know enough to crucify him, so he keeps playing along. In that respect I can understand his comments. although I have zero respect for him making those comments.

I wonder what it is that makes the others say the same thing. Valverde, Sanchez ad Indurain didn't share doctors, DS's or teammates with LA like AC did.

They are afraid they might get the same treatment from their teammates.

 

[GJB123]

They are afraid they might get the same treatment from their teammates.

Hell he is afraid he might get the same treatment from LA, Bruyneel, Marti and the others, let alone his current teammates. Remember there are still some cases pending.

 

[Angliru]

I rather think he remembers all too well, and doesn't want to b thrown under the bus by Armstrong, Bruyneel, Marti and the likes. Chance is they know enough to crucify him, so he keeps playing along. In that respect I can understand his comments. although I have zero respect for him making those comments.

I wonder what it is that makes the others say the same thing. Valverde, Sanchez ad Indurain didn't share doctors, DS's or teammates with LA like AC did.

Possibly they have been told throughout their entire careers that everyone is on the juice and that it's the only way to make it through the season and the grand tours in one piece. If all they know of the circumstances of the case is that he doped, his teammates doped and now because they (LA's teammates/ex-teammates) have been cornered and ordered to tell the truth, have exposed the management and riders as being on a team initiated program, they can't in their right minds criticize Armstrong for the very same thing that they are doing or have done. It's a lose/lose proposition: criticize LA and look like a hypocrite or show support and look like fool.

I'm a bit surprised that Contador is so forgiving of Armstrong's 2009 tactics. Maybe Bruyneel and Armstrong let him know that they would bury him if he speaks ill of them or he himself realizes it.

Rhuborama (sp) had made an interesting post in another thread pertaining to the slew of Spanish riders that have shown support for Armstrong, saying that it's cultural and may explain it. I'll try to dig up his post and link it or if he reads my post maybe he can likely do it faster than myself.

 

[Arnout]

I'm a bit surprised that Contador is so forgiving of Armstrong's 2009 tactics. Maybe Bruyneel and Armstrong let him know that they would bury him if he speaks ill of them or he himself realizes it.

Yeah personally I think he is afraid of stories about 2009.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Yeah personally I think he is afraid of stories about 2009.

I believe this is the case, I don't believe Alberto has either forgotten or forgiven what happened in 2009.

 

[Arnout]

I believe this is the case, I don't believe Alberto has either forgotten or forgiven what happened in 2009.

I think it isn't a case of Contador forgiving anything, rather a question whether we want to forgive Contador when Lance speaks about 2009.

 

[Mrs John Murphy]

Yeah personally I think he is afraid of stories about 2009.

****ting himself about the Marti case.

 

[the asian]

****ting himself about the Marti case.

ofc If Marti speaks, Contador will be in serious trouble.

 

[Mrs John Murphy]

ofc If Marti speaks, Contador will be in serious trouble.

What we don't know with the Marti or Hog cases is when they end.

The Armstrong case did come up to date - so the question is whether or not the USADA cases against Marti and Hog include the 2006-2010 period.

 

[hrotha]

ofc If Marti speaks, Contador will be in serious trouble.

Unfortunately I don't see an incentive for Martí to speak. Certainly not about anything post-Postal.

 

[the asian]

What we don't know with the Marti or Hog cases is when they end.

The Armstrong case did come up to date - so the question is whether or not the USADA cases against Marti and Hog include the 2006-2010 period.

Unfortunately I don't see an incentive for Martí to speak. Certainly not about anything post-Postal.

IMO it will include at least up to 2007 up to the point when the US based team ceased to exist.

 

[pastronef]

D.Benson and J.Bruyneel on the same train back to London from Paris !

http://mobile.twitter.com/dnlbenson/status/261172106795044864

 

[Deagol]

After seeing all these reactions to the mountain of evidence, I am beyond disgusted with most of these pro cyclists. Indurain, Contador, valverde....

Of course, they are probably not much different than Armstrong, so we might expect them to defend him. This culture of lying for a living must affect the brain so much where you belive your own lies.

I am just about at the point to walk away from pro cycling as a fan due to this stuff.

 

[Mrs John Murphy]

D.Benson and J.Bruyneel on the same train back to London from Paris !

http://mobile.twitter.com/dnlbenson/status/261172106795044864

Good to see that Benson has no problems sucking up to dopers. ****wit

 

[learn to ride]

Vaughters renews call for independent body to look at cycling’s errors

Vaughters was evasive, however, when queried about Armstrong’s legacy. When asked if he believes Armstrong would eventually confess, he said: “That’s up to Lance. He needs to decide that.” When asked if he believes Armstrong should still be considered a champion, he paused and said, “That’s not for me to say.”

http://velonews.competitor.com/2012...endent-body-to-look-at-cyclings-errors_262466

 

[ElChingon]

D.Benson and J.Bruyneel on the same train back to London from Paris !

http://mobile.twitter.com/dnlbenson/status/261172106795044864

Like he would have the testosterone producing organs to even ask a decent question other than what his plans are for retirement.

 

[Benotti69]

Vaughters was evasive, however, when queried about Armstrong’s legacy. When asked if he believes Armstrong would eventually confess, he said: “That’s up to Lance. He needs to decide that.” When asked if he believes Armstrong should still be considered a champion, he paused and said, “That’s not for me to say.”

http://velonews.competitor.com/2012...endent-body-to-look-at-cyclings-errors_262466

And this guy would have everyone believe he is the right guy to set up a breakaway league?

Pull the other one there is a ball on it.

 

[hrotha]

Good to see that Benson has no problems sucking up to dopers. ****wit

I'm pretty sure he was trolling Bruyneel.

 

[Mrs John Murphy]

I'm pretty sure he was trolling Bruyneel.

I wouldn't credit Benson with the intelligence.

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

I wouldn't credit Benson with the intelligence.

He was trolling him, though. Look at Bruyneel's response.