hrotha said:The worst part is he seems to be somewhat well informed about the case (how else would he have got the 218 tests figure?).
218 tests, only 9 positives. LA WTF.
Growing list, it seems. The article should’ve mentioned the Greipel and Kittel rants too.
Can it be, that we see now the “talking peloton” in the making, that has been announced on Twitter last week?
Can it be, that we see now the “talking peloton” in the making, that has been announced on Twitter last week?
gooner said:
You are right. I have removed it. It was meant to be during a short period of time but i forgot it.
I have been criticising Contador for his previous statements and trying to settle the idea that he was on the juice 2007-2008. I am not a dreamer. But then i wanted to expand the perspective and see how many other riders dealt with this hot topic and it wasnt better. As seen above the Cadel-fans thinks it is "a mature answer" saying the Armstrong-affair will "be bad" for the peloton while thinking it is not his responsibility as a rider to have a opinion in this matter. And then i wonder were those voices was in the specifically designed thread for bashing Contador et al.
Subjective bias is not how to deal with Omertá not matter the rider of choice.
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gooner said:
Yes it certainly beggars belief that Riis and Vino have been allowed to stay within the sport. You would think that a self admitted cheat who had his Tour win wiped from the record books would at least be banned from the Tour for life in in capacity he acts in. Let's face it, it' s a long list not just those two.
CN latest in which the French federation wants more controls on corticoids, and riders Maxime Bouet and Brice Feillu both have the same old thing in mind by having certain banned drugs having a greater weight value in the punishment phase, EPO is serious,lifetime for that and something less for "other" stuff.
Samuel Dumoulin reenforces todays policy and the one most riders work with, if you get caught you are ruined. I would love to hear a defensive back in any form of football make the rules for a red card or a personal foul in the NFL. The input from riders is valuable, probably not so much if you want the sport to overcome it's worldwide nuclear meltdown. His approach is that one doping offense gets you banned, Vaughters, Riis,Vino,Julich,White..wonder if he means Eddy? or will they not want to go back that far?
If there was ever a time for a spinoff professional union to organize, its now?
Ask McQuaid to resign? Why bother, just exclude him.
In another room the UCI scramble to change and cut enough to keep going without everybody losing their current jobs, which is the only way for a clean slate.
Now that 20% of the sponsors are jumping ship, they all want to fix everything now,today,instantly.
Jean-Rene Bernaudeau is really the best, the sponsors(teams?) need to have a similar contract so that everybody is playing by the same rules. Big international groups in cycling? WTF is he talking about? Does he think that people bigger than Rabobank, or the national mineral intrest of Russia are going to flock to cycling? It's over. Chipotle, RadioShack, Nissan and others are running not walking away from the sport. The next step will be to finish the premier tour out in the mountains rather than the Champs Elysees because of financial and logistics.
Samuel Dumoulin reenforces todays policy and the one most riders work with, if you get caught you are ruined. I would love to hear a defensive back in any form of football make the rules for a red card or a personal foul in the NFL. The input from riders is valuable, probably not so much if you want the sport to overcome it's worldwide nuclear meltdown. His approach is that one doping offense gets you banned, Vaughters, Riis,Vino,Julich,White..wonder if he means Eddy? or will they not want to go back that far?
If there was ever a time for a spinoff professional union to organize, its now?
Ask McQuaid to resign? Why bother, just exclude him.
In another room the UCI scramble to change and cut enough to keep going without everybody losing their current jobs, which is the only way for a clean slate.
Now that 20% of the sponsors are jumping ship, they all want to fix everything now,today,instantly.
Jean-Rene Bernaudeau is really the best, the sponsors(teams?) need to have a similar contract so that everybody is playing by the same rules. Big international groups in cycling? WTF is he talking about? Does he think that people bigger than Rabobank, or the national mineral intrest of Russia are going to flock to cycling? It's over. Chipotle, RadioShack, Nissan and others are running not walking away from the sport. The next step will be to finish the premier tour out in the mountains rather than the Champs Elysees because of financial and logistics.
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I'm starting to like Kittel.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/kittel-sick-of-armstrong-supporters
I'm sure someone will say Kittel is a doper, because of the earlier accusations. Personally I was pretty convinced it did indeed happen, but it was just him being young and naive and relying on a doctor from the German federation. Besides that it wasn't forbidden when it happened so I don't really care.
I'm happy someone from the bunch speaks such clear words. I'm a big fan of Contador, but his recent comments on Armstrong didn't make me happy.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/kittel-sick-of-armstrong-supporters
I'm sure someone will say Kittel is a doper, because of the earlier accusations. Personally I was pretty convinced it did indeed happen, but it was just him being young and naive and relying on a doctor from the German federation. Besides that it wasn't forbidden when it happened so I don't really care.
I'm happy someone from the bunch speaks such clear words. I'm a big fan of Contador, but his recent comments on Armstrong didn't make me happy.
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A bizarre, wild interview by ekimov about armstrong affair…. (source: sport-express)
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Q: You are disappointed in Armstrong after the publication of the USADA report ?
A: I was disappointed in the people who rode with us on the same team. The team was split in half. One half says one thing and another - quite the opposite. I continue to be in the "other" half. I am amazed by what I read in the papers. Either I rode on some other team, or doping was so secretive that I totally missed it.. Here’s what I think - those that talk about the systematic doping, either lying or telling the truth.
IF they tell the truth, they should have the proof… something more than some oral testimony. Otherwise, others have the right to consider whatever they say a lie. Personally, I absolutely do not understand why there was such a split in the team. May be someone stepped on someone’s toes? May be a revenge for old grudges? It was clear long ago - everyone envied Armstrong's success. At one time, when he tried to respond to every jab and attack , I told him, 'Do not make entire world angry at you. You don’t have enough saliva to spit on everyone. Imagine that one day everyone will spit at you and then you will drown in their saliva. I urged him to be restrained. But what happened already happened. Although I think it is extremely unfair not only to Armstrong, but also to the history of cycling in general.
Q: you happy that your name is not mentioned in the report?
A: What a strange question, but I will respond… The only witness to my words is Jesus Christ, but I can tell you that I don‘t lose any sleep over this. Although, if someone tells me that I'm actually black, not white, they'll have to prove it somehow. Also, do not forget one more thing - America lives in a different legal system than we, in Russia. If you are accused of something there, the judge will consider you guilty until you are proven otherwise. They live by different rules. Thus, it was possible to conspire against Armstrong. In this case, the reasons can be anything: personal enrichment, PR, whatever ... My name is not in the USADA report because it could not be there. Otherwise, I would have publicly announced that it is a lie! For now, I'm just in shock. I had no idea that such things were happening within the team, if we assume that they took place at all!
Q: In their affidavits, Landis and Hincapie said that in 2004, the riders were administered transfusion right on the bus as it was travelling from a stage finish to a hotel. The driver stopped for an hour on a mountain road pretending engine failure. During this time, according to Hincapie, "Most of the team received fresh blood." You were in the 2004 and had to be in the bus
A: This simply could not have happened in France. France is not a country where you can engage in such illegal things on the team bus. Even if such a thing took place, it could simply not have happened in the team bus… because during the "tour", the police would pop up to near a bus even if it took a bit longer than usual at a gas station. I know that all teams in recent years were under close surveillance by the police agents monitoring all their movements. One time our bus stopped in a field to drain its toilet…within 5 minutes there appeared a police car and fined us. And the police was right - in France they have special drain for the purpose.
Q: Can you state than you never saw Armstrong using PEDs?
A: Personally, I've never seen him using PEDs. As it happens, doping is not a public show. There is a doctor hotel room and there is a rider hotel room… Armstrong has always stayed alone, and no one could enter without the special permission. I was never interested in what was going on behind those doors, . I thought only of how to recover quickly after the stage in order to lead my team mates the next day.
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Q: You are disappointed in Armstrong after the publication of the USADA report ?
A: I was disappointed in the people who rode with us on the same team. The team was split in half. One half says one thing and another - quite the opposite. I continue to be in the "other" half. I am amazed by what I read in the papers. Either I rode on some other team, or doping was so secretive that I totally missed it.. Here’s what I think - those that talk about the systematic doping, either lying or telling the truth.
IF they tell the truth, they should have the proof… something more than some oral testimony. Otherwise, others have the right to consider whatever they say a lie. Personally, I absolutely do not understand why there was such a split in the team. May be someone stepped on someone’s toes? May be a revenge for old grudges? It was clear long ago - everyone envied Armstrong's success. At one time, when he tried to respond to every jab and attack , I told him, 'Do not make entire world angry at you. You don’t have enough saliva to spit on everyone. Imagine that one day everyone will spit at you and then you will drown in their saliva. I urged him to be restrained. But what happened already happened. Although I think it is extremely unfair not only to Armstrong, but also to the history of cycling in general.
Q: you happy that your name is not mentioned in the report?
A: What a strange question, but I will respond… The only witness to my words is Jesus Christ, but I can tell you that I don‘t lose any sleep over this. Although, if someone tells me that I'm actually black, not white, they'll have to prove it somehow. Also, do not forget one more thing - America lives in a different legal system than we, in Russia. If you are accused of something there, the judge will consider you guilty until you are proven otherwise. They live by different rules. Thus, it was possible to conspire against Armstrong. In this case, the reasons can be anything: personal enrichment, PR, whatever ... My name is not in the USADA report because it could not be there. Otherwise, I would have publicly announced that it is a lie! For now, I'm just in shock. I had no idea that such things were happening within the team, if we assume that they took place at all!
Q: In their affidavits, Landis and Hincapie said that in 2004, the riders were administered transfusion right on the bus as it was travelling from a stage finish to a hotel. The driver stopped for an hour on a mountain road pretending engine failure. During this time, according to Hincapie, "Most of the team received fresh blood." You were in the 2004 and had to be in the bus
A: This simply could not have happened in France. France is not a country where you can engage in such illegal things on the team bus. Even if such a thing took place, it could simply not have happened in the team bus… because during the "tour", the police would pop up to near a bus even if it took a bit longer than usual at a gas station. I know that all teams in recent years were under close surveillance by the police agents monitoring all their movements. One time our bus stopped in a field to drain its toilet…within 5 minutes there appeared a police car and fined us. And the police was right - in France they have special drain for the purpose.
Q: Can you state than you never saw Armstrong using PEDs?
A: Personally, I've never seen him using PEDs. As it happens, doping is not a public show. There is a doctor hotel room and there is a rider hotel room… Armstrong has always stayed alone, and no one could enter without the special permission. I was never interested in what was going on behind those doors, . I thought only of how to recover quickly after the stage in order to lead my team mates the next day.
It's such bizarre logic. "all they have is people saying" I'm pretty sure that has been standard evidence in courtrooms in all cultures since men learned to speak. Mr. X tell me what you saw happen. Mrs. Y tell me what you heard him say. What are they expecting video?
This entire thing boils down to tactics. Does anybody have video of Lance using? no. He was always planning on the battle of men and he grossly underestimated who those men were. When the witness list was Hamilton,Landis and a housewife from Michigan he had a chance. Then came the wave of credibility that washed over the case. Ekimov has not been touched by the wave yet. All the other guys that have ruined themselves for the cause are not an example or right, but wrong for Vlat.
Lance raised the stakes by letting his case play out in the court of public opinion and he lost. He is double doomed when he keeps saying look at my test results and the guys that conducted them say the results are bad. Vlat and Lance can stay on message and say it's a man's word against another, Lance slept alone always. France has a great bus monitoring system that would have picked up on anything illegal, I get it, his guilt is yours. Getting that first Katusha paycheck is super important.
Lance raised the stakes by letting his case play out in the court of public opinion and he lost. He is double doomed when he keeps saying look at my test results and the guys that conducted them say the results are bad. Vlat and Lance can stay on message and say it's a man's word against another, Lance slept alone always. France has a great bus monitoring system that would have picked up on anything illegal, I get it, his guilt is yours. Getting that first Katusha paycheck is super important.
Nick C. said:
but but .. where is the evidence ??????????
no, really, it was a valid "argument" for maybe 1, 2 "questionable" witnesses but not like 22, people using that argument now still .. they are called idiots
(they also seem to ignore the fact that he actually tested positive)But what I really wanted to say: R E S P E C T K I T T L E
finally a pro rider making a clear stance against the omerta-club
python said:
Oh. Em. Gee. Thanks Python, that was easily the best thing I've read all day, I pretty much spit my coffee out. After 3 and a half years, I finally went to the user's guide and learned how to make a signature. Thanks Eki, you're a true inspiration.
Glenn Magnusson, swedish national coach and member of USP -99
Ok, so Magnusson has made himself totally unbelievable in interviews before with reiterating Armstrong talking points before (and even after USADA reasoned decision). And now there is a long interview with him on eurosports swedish site. He says he never saw anything.. but now claims he understood that he could have made another choice (to dope). I don't think he is believable. I think it funny how he isn't angry or shocked but rather claims to just shrug his shoulder like its no big deal. It just makes no sense as to how a clean, not knowing anything rider would have acted. So my conclusion is he is hiding something. Same feeling I get whenever I hear Bäckstedt answer questions of doping. No McGees there.. sadly.
http://translate.google.com/transla...-fanns-ju-olika-lakare_sto3470829/story.shtml
Ok, so Magnusson has made himself totally unbelievable in interviews before with reiterating Armstrong talking points before (and even after USADA reasoned decision). And now there is a long interview with him on eurosports swedish site. He says he never saw anything.. but now claims he understood that he could have made another choice (to dope). I don't think he is believable. I think it funny how he isn't angry or shocked but rather claims to just shrug his shoulder like its no big deal. It just makes no sense as to how a clean, not knowing anything rider would have acted. So my conclusion is he is hiding something. Same feeling I get whenever I hear Bäckstedt answer questions of doping. No McGees there.. sadly.
http://translate.google.com/transla...-fanns-ju-olika-lakare_sto3470829/story.shtml
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Lifetime ban
Finally..from Nicolas Roche (surprising but good on him) the LIFETIME BAN. The answer to all this doping.
Finally..from Nicolas Roche (surprising but good on him) the LIFETIME BAN. The answer to all this doping.
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