Reactions from the peloton

[Ryo Hazuki]

I wonder if those who quite bizarrely threw their support behind Lance once the USADA report came out, such as Alejandro Valverde and Samuel Sanchez, have now changed their minds?

you have to understand their culture to see that. you stick by your comrades through bad times and good. ever wondered why no latin rider but tje knife in lance's back? of course they don't believe he was clean, but in public you simply don't talk about that

in samu's case is even worse. he was part of euskaltel where all his friends were doped to the moon. to me sanchez is always very clean because when euskaltel had to fire their doctor in june 2004, all euskaltel riders started riding backwards, with the exception of samu, who kept on doing very well

 

[roundabout]

More? He got something like 10th as his best result in a GT.

Not much better than Moncoutie getting 12th in the Tour.

And Casero is like a Spanish version of Gotti. A doper with a capital D. It's a travesty that they both have won GTs.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

not worse than someone like riis though. that was the biggest joke ever. after 1996 it definitely improved

 

[hrotha]

to me sanchez is always very clean because when euskaltel had to fire their doctor in june 2004, all euskaltel riders started riding backwards, with the exception of samu, who kept on doing very well

Word in the street is he tested positive as an amateur, but it's impossible to retrieve the info from the internet.

 

[pmcg76]

That agenda was dismissed by Bassons and more recently by Moncoutie.

Haha, the dirty team connection is still frequently used by posters on here including the clinic 12.

You are a great fan of the 1+1= doping philosophy and quote it frequently. Surely a guy riding well in the EPO era on a dirty team with a dodgy doctor is part of that philosophy. Were you not proposing the theory that Nicole Cooke doped because she worked with a doctor who had a possibly dodgy past despite there being no significant info on how involved that doctor was with doping.

Please don't try and change your 1+1 philosophy now. Total BS.

 

[AussieEdge]

I'm sure lance told mcewen everything in 2009, since they had always been such good friends

Lets face it - lance is only true friends with those who can benefit him...

 

[The Hitch]

you have to understand their culture to see that. you stick by your comrades through bad times and good. ever wondered why no latin rider but tje knife in lance's back? of course they don't believe he was clean, but in public you simply don't talk about that

in samu's case is even worse. he was part of euskaltel where all his friends were doped to the moon. to me sanchez is always very clean because when euskaltel had to fire their doctor in june 2004, all euskaltel riders started riding backwards, with the exception of samu, who kept on doing very well

You have a strange view of sticking by your comrades. To show your friends you are sticking by them you have to go out into the media and basically campaign against the idea of doping bans like Sanchez did? What sending them some flowers isn't enough?

 

[Benotti69]

Haha, the dirty team connection is still frequently used by posters on here including the clinic 12.

You are a great fan of the 1+1= doping philosophy and quote it frequently. Surely a guy riding well in the EPO era on a dirty team with a dodgy doctor is part of that philosophy. Were you not proposing the theory that Nicole Cooke doped because she worked with a doctor who had a possibly dodgy past despite there being no significant info on how involved that doctor was with doping.

Please don't try and change your 1+1 philosophy now. Total BS.

I aglad that you have been following my posts as closely as Doc Mas.

Moncoutie's team mates outed him as mr clean, just like Bassons.

I look forward to Cooke's team mates backing her up too.

Thankyou for including me in the elite Clinic 12. Not sure I am one of, but it is the thought that counts.

 

[neineinei]

Kurt Asle Arvesen:

I don't believe Armstrong was clean when he came third in 2009. Once a cheat... he has been lying for so many years, it is hard to believe him.

The USADA rapport convinced me 100 % that he was doped. There was always rumors about Lance in the peloton. He always seemed unbelievably strong. When Landis and Hamilton came clean and told their stories I think most of the riders believed them.

http://www.nrk.no/sport/trur-ikkje-armstrong-stoppa-i-2005-1.10877383

 

[AussieEdge]

You have a strange view of sticking by your comrades. To show your friends you are sticking by them you have to go out into the media and basically campaign against the idea of doping bans like Sanchez did? What sending them some flowers isn't enough?

I do agree with him though...loyalty is a powerful tool

 

[pmcg76]

I aglad that you have been following my posts as closely as Doc Mas.

Moncoutie's team mates outed him as mr clean, just like Bassons.

I look forward to Cooke's team mates backing her up too.

Thankyou for including me in the elite Clinic 12. Not sure I am one of, but it is the thought that counts.

Benotti, you are undoubtedly one of the clinic 12....such modesty

Are you not of the opinion that current riders are not to be believed in anything they say unless if fits your agenda.

For example if one of the SKY boys say Wiggins is clean, do you believe them? No. So would you then believe one of Cooke's team-mates claiming she was clean? No.

So in fact, Cooke has no recourse to cleanliness in your eyes despite being more outspoken on the subject of doping than either Bassons or Moncoutie ever were. Only caught dopers can seemingly gives the seal of cleanliness apparently but again it depends on which rider is speaking, and whether it fits with your agenda.

Makes no sense, does it!!!

Just to add Manzano and Blanco were never team-mates so it would seem their relationship is more on 'friends' level.

 

[hrotha]

There's a difference between someone just saying "X is clean", and someone doing a tell-all and then stating "X is clean". The latter carries a lot more weight if there's reason to believe they're being honest about everything they're saying. The former is largely irrelevant.

 

[pmcg76]

There's a difference between someone just saying "X is clean", and someone doing a tell-all and then stating "X is clean". The latter carries a lot more weight if there's reason to believe they're being honest about everything they're saying. The former is largely irrelevant.

Depends on the relationship between the riders. I don't know the relationship between Blanco and Manzano, maybe they were close friends which compromises things clearly.

Nicolas Aubier was a rider who came clean and said that Chris Boardman was the only rider he never saw taking anything. How many people on here believe that Boardman was clean as I know we have had threads on Boardman doping, I don't know what Benotti thinks of Boardman.

You have a valid point but it is very often down to posters personal like or dislike for certain people on deciding who is credible. Why were Cuenca or Blanco never mentioned as clean riders before now?

 

[zachateseverything]

Hushovd's claims make a mockery of Garmin. His TdF stage wins in 2009 and 2011 now get stamped doped performances. JV really runs a tight 'clean' team

Going off of a google translation makes it tough, but despite my poor Norwegian I don't think your conclusions match up with Hushovd's statements at all.

Thor likely hasn't always been a choir boy, but he hasn't given us anything to indicate that his performance in 2011 was the result of some sort of super secret Garmin doping scheme. And what exactly would JV have to do with Thor in 2009? There was that whole Cervelo test team thing...

If you want to believe in very convoluted conspiracy theories, that every rider is doping, etc, that's your prerogative. But can you do us all a favor and at least try to have your statements logically follow the material you quote or link?

 

[hrotha]

Depends on the relationship between the riders. I don't know the relationship between Blanco and Manzano, maybe they were close friends which compromises things clearly.

Nicolas Aubier was a rider who came clean and said that Chris Boardman was the only rider he never saw taking anything. How many people on here believe that Boardman was clean as I know we have had threads on Boardman doping, I don't know what Benotti thinks of Boardman.

You have a valid point but it is very often down to posters personal like or dislike for certain people on deciding who is credible. Why were Cuenca or Blanco never mentioned as clean riders before now?

Boardman is widely believed to have been clean at least for most of his career around here, although obviously we can't be sure and his performance warrants suspicion. As for Cuenca and Blanco, you hadn't heard before because the Anglo media don't care, but it's not new information. While this is the first time I hear a pro openly singling out Blanco as clean, he always had that reputation in Spanish forums. As for Cuenca, Manzano has been saying it for years. Here's an interview from 2010, for example.

 

[serfla]

I apologize if it's already mentioned, there's too many posts to be read, but reactions from peloton are, somehow, facilitated by Armstrong's assertion that he didn't dope during the comeback.
Since we've all heard about suspicious variations in his blood values during the last Tour he rode and incident during the out of competition control, does anybody believe he's telling the whole truth? It's even more absurd to believe he's sincere while he's confessing he lied all these years.
It's important because cycling is trying to restore it's credibility claiming that it was "dark age" and that now everything is different. Thus it's easier for riders to express their opinion, 'cause they feel abolished and like they're getting away with it.
Off course, it's business need to convince consumers they're buying the real thing, but it's naive, I think.
Omerta is living, but it changed appearance.

 

[Big Daddy]

Just sick and tired of all the current pros with their "move on" mantra. They should just answer the f-ing question or just shut up.

 

[coinneach]

Quite good (IMO) interview with Dan Lloyd here:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21091841

"There's not enough he can do

Reasonably shift in cycling after Lance retired

Bitter taste

Left a lasting damage? Hard to prove you are clean, guilty till you prove you are clean: sport will always be tarnished in peoples eyes"

 

[doperhopper]

Not direcly from a rider, but it probably belongs here: EDDY got enlightened! Finally!

Realizing that Uniballer blatantly lied to him even privately, face-to-face. And don't forget that it was this mighty Eddy who introduced LA to Ferrari (according to dottore himself, CN article says).

 

[M Sport]

@haydenroulston

It's funny hearing reporters say they're sick of the LA scandal. Yet they keep reporting/interviewing people that are/were part of it!

As bad as Voigt and Horner.

 

[pmcg76]

Going off of a google translation makes it tough, but despite my poor Norwegian I don't think your conclusions match up with Hushovd's statements at all.

Thor likely hasn't always been a choir boy, but he hasn't given us anything to indicate that his performance in 2011 was the result of some sort of super secret Garmin doping scheme. And what exactly would JV have to do with Thor in 2009? There was that whole Cervelo test team thing...

If you want to believe in very convoluted conspiracy theories, that every rider is doping, etc, that's your prerogative. But can you do us all a favor and at least try to have your statements logically follow the material you quote or link?

You looking for miracles??

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

Andy Schleck:


Andy Schleck, who was retroactively awarded the 2010 Tour de France win last year, believed Lance Armstrong when the American said he did not dope after his comeback, the Luxembourger said on Saturday.



"I'm confident he was clean there because I beat him and, I mean, he won seven Tours de France," said Schleck, who finished runner up at the Tour de France three times and was handed the 2010 win when Alberto Contador was stripped of the title.

"He cheated in these seven tours but still he won these seven tours," he told a news conference in Adelaide.

"So he still was a good rider and he made his comeback and got beaten the first year by Alberto and me. I know that I always was a clean rider ... so why should he be doped and be behind me? So I believe in his comeback that he was clean."




http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/01/19/us-cycling-armstrong-australia-idUSBRE90I07K20130119

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

andy schleck should never be taken serious. the guy lives in a cocoon and one look at his face tells enough

 

[hrotha]

Hahahaha, oh Candy...

 

[cineteq]

"I'm confident he was clean there because I beat him and, I mean, he won seven Tours de France," said Schleck, who finished runner up at the Tour de France three times and was handed the 2010 win when Alberto Contador was stripped of the title.

Is this his alibi? What if in few days LA admits he doped during 2009-2010 TdF.