Reactions from the peloton

[hrotha]

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/1...etting-the-pill-culture-out-of-the-sport.aspx

Not exactly what I was expecting, but a very interesting read. Thanks.

 

[the delgados]

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/1...etting-the-pill-culture-out-of-the-sport.aspx

That was probably the most unintentionally hilarious interview I have ever read.

 

[Lukenwolf]

In a recent interview with the CBC, Michael Barry said that he knew of no more than twelve riders who were clean during his entire pro career.
I highly doubt Jens was one of them.
Read Tyler's account of an encounter he had with Jen's in the Secret Race and read Jens reaction to the book.
Jens has omerta keeper written all over him.

There must have been more than 12 clean riders at time. I doubt Michael Barry knew the whole peloton. In that infamous textmessage exchange between Frankie Andreu and Jonathan Vaughters the latter says that Credit Agricole was on nothing in 2000 and 2001. That would imply it were a few more than 12 riders. And both Vaughters and Voigt were riding for CA at that time. Presuming that Vaughters didn't lie to Andreu (why should he) Voigt was clear during his time at CA and he achieved some awsome results during that time. I tend to think that a rider who has won races clean would not neccessarily later start doping at the age of 30.
One other thing is that his riding style relies heavily on feats of stamina, for which he is of the right age. Most marathon runners don't reach their best results until they hit the 30's.

It's all very circumstantial, but I think he has enough things speaking for him to give him the shadow of doubt. Still doesn't prove he was clean of course, but I'd like to think there were at least *some* honest souls among the better known riders in the peloton, not just unknown domestiques.

 

[Wigwan]

In a recent interview with the CBC, Michael Barry said that he knew of no more than twelve riders who were clean during his entire pro career.
I highly doubt Jens was one of them.
Read Tyler's account of an encounter he had with Jen's in the Secret Race and read Jens reaction to the book.
Jens has omerta keeper written all over him.

http://www.cbc.ca/player/News/ID/2289549131/?page=3

Don't know if it's georestricted though

 

[hrotha]

That was probably the most unintentionally hilarious interview I have ever read.

Why is that?

 

[hiero2]

In a recent interview with the CBC, Michael Barry said that he knew of no more than twelve riders who were clean during his entire pro career.
I highly doubt Jens was one of them.
Read Tyler's account of an encounter he had with Jen's in the Secret Race and read Jens reaction to the book.
Jens has omerta keeper written all over him.

Where is Jens' reaction to Tyler's book? Otherwise, at this point, all I have is your opinion of what Michael Barry meant, which is pretty worthless, sorry. And, I will, eventually, read what Tyler says about Jens.

 

[hiero2]

So funny to see you desperately defending Sky from any 'attack' only because they have two Colombians on board. You're Dutch man, grow up and get a life.

I'm not defending Sky, and I have no care for Columbians any more than anyone else. But I think Ryo has this one right.

 

[hiero2]

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/1...etting-the-pill-culture-out-of-the-sport.aspx

Not exactly what I was expecting, but a very interesting read. Thanks.

Yes - I like the honesty, finally. THIS IS what I had expected from Phinney, and I'm glad to see we finally got some of it.

Oh - and thanks all for finding the interview and giving the link.

 

[luckyboy]

RE: all the pills Phinney is on about - here's an article about QuickStep from 4 years ago (76 pills a day!?) http://www.ad.nl/ad/nl/1018/Wielren...-de-France-76-pillen-per-dag.dhtml?redirected

Also, Cummings doesn't even take caffeine pills but said this of Armstrong.. "It is easy to say and point your finger on all the bad things but you could look at the good things he has done as well. He has done a lot good things, like his cancer charity, you know. When I met him, he was a nice guy to me."
does not compute. If he is that anti-doping then you'd think his view would be a little stronger.

 

[Alex Simmons/RST]

deleted post - link already posted

 

[the delgados]

Why is that?

Tylenol or no Tylenol. That is the question.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Did Jens dope? Possible. Did he not dope? Just as possible as well. How can we know? We don't have proof. Jens at least has shown something that many dopers didn't display. Whenever he pulled one of those crazy attacks, he usually rode complete crap for one or to days afterwards. Remember that one time, where he rode into the yellow jersey at the tour with a crazy-**** attack? Next day he was so spent, he didn't make the time cut and had to abandon. That hardly sounds like someone, who recharges with "the oil".

Did he win the stage? 2005 and 2001 - can't find him riding crap for the next few days.

2001 he finished 35 minutes down the next stage (8), but so did 160 other riders.
2005 he had a rest day the next day, then finished 31 minutes down, in front of 67 other riders, including 50 at 38 minutes.

Can't find any tours where Jens rode in the maillot jaune and then abandoned the next day.

Not saying he's doped.

Do notice he rode better (has more / as good results) than an admitted here and in affidavits doping Vaughters while they were both at Credit Agricole.


This is when Jens was 38:
2009
1st Overall Critérium International
1st Stage 2

 

[Dear Wiggo]

what are you talking about? sky faded hard in the end of this season. froome is an excellent example. how do you compare this to us epostal and how they after an incredible tour would still thrash the vuelta?

So funny to see you desperately defending Sky from any 'attack' only because they have two Colombians on board. You're Dutch man, grow up and get a life.

I'm not defending Sky, and I have no care for Columbians any more than anyone else. But I think Ryo has this one right.

So you agree with Ryo that
1. Sky have faded towards the end of the season and
2. US Postal would win the Tour then thrash the Vuelta

After all the follow up posts proving (at least I think they do) empirically both these assertions are incorrect (US Postal only ever did it once, and Sky are still kicking *** with the same riders winning in January and October)

I am surprised.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Stuart O'Grady: http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/ogrady-in-shock-following-evidence-in-usada-report

"It's never been a thought, never been an option. Ever since I've been with (coach) Charlie Walsh through the Institute of Sport, it (doping) and all that was just never an option.

cf 5th July, 1999: http://fulltext.ausport.gov.au/fulltext/1999/ascmedia/19990705.html

Australian Sports Commission Executive Director, Jim Ferguson, announced that he has received advice today from the Australian Sports Drug Agency (ASDA) that two AIS cycling scholarship holders had returned positive drug tests and consequently been placed on ASDA’s Register of Notifiable Events.

and before that, 20th May, 1999: http://fulltext.ausport.gov.au/fulltext/1999/ascmedia/19990520.html

The Director of the Australian Institute of Sport (AIS), Mr John Boultbee, has suspended a number of cyclists from the AIS Track Endurance Program for alleged breaches of their AIS Scholarship Agreements.

The circumstances of the alleged breaches, which involve the taking of medication by the particular athletes concerned without the approval of the Head Coach or Team Doctor, have prompted the Executive Director of the Australian Sports Commission (ASC) to commence an investigation into the matter under the ASC’s Anti-Doping Policy.

Under the terms of the Policy, neither the ASC nor the AIS is in a position to name the cyclists concerned or to give any further details, until the investigation is completed.

 

[the delgados]

Where is Jens' reaction to Tyler's book? Otherwise, at this point, all I have is your opinion of what Michael Barry meant, which is pretty worthless, sorry. And, I will, eventually, read what Tyler says about Jens.

Hey Hiero.
Check Twitter.
Also, I agree-my opinion means nothing. No need to apologize.

 

[JMBeaushrimp]

Poor Levi.

It looks like 2006 was the magic year when everything went clean. If not, then why the harsh-on from OPQ?

Follow the script, buddy. Follow the script....

 

[thehog]

Stuart O'Grady: http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/ogrady-in-shock-following-evidence-in-usada-report


cf 5th July, 1999: http://fulltext.ausport.gov.au/fulltext/1999/ascmedia/19990705.html



and before that, 20th May, 1999: http://fulltext.ausport.gov.au/fulltext/1999/ascmedia/19990520.html

Charlie Walsh no!!!

Does he now what he's saying?

Charlie Walsh! My god.

 

[JMBeaushrimp]

Charlie Walsh no!!!

Does he now what he's saying?

Charlie Walsh! My god.

I got a kick out of that as well!

Really? Walsh?

Stuey's gotta do better than that for some credibility. Walsh oversaw the track program, right? How many Aussies got nailed during, or shortly after, his perview?

Quite a legacy...

 

[luckyboy]

O'Grady is taking the **** if he thinks anyone believes what he says. Someone who has been around as long as him coming out with this ****.. "I believed that he (Armstrong) won those seven Tours clean. I wanted to believe that like everyone else." Jesus Christ

Poor Levi.

It looks like 2006 was the magic year when everything went clean. If not, then why the harsh-on from OPQ?

Follow the script, buddy. Follow the script....

Levi never went clean. Read the affidavit.

 

[Sarcastic Wet Trout]

Where is Jens' reaction to Tyler's book?

https://twitter.com/thejensie/status/256303142919106560

@cavalierfc Are you folks sometimes dont read?? I said i dont wanna read his book, it has nothing new or interesting for me. Point.

 

[thehog]

I got a kick out of that as well!

Really? Walsh?

Stuey's gotta do better than that for some credibility. Walsh oversaw the track program, right? How many Aussies got nailed during, or shortly after, his perview?

Quite a legacy...

Don't we know it! Walking and talking chemist.

Charlie's Angles indeed!

 

[cineteq]

https://twitter.com/thejensie/status/256303142919106560

@cavalierfc Are you folks sometimes dont read?? I said i dont wanna read his book, it has nothing new or interesting for me. Point.

So he never doped, but the book has nothing new? Hmmm....

 

[msjett]

http://www.news.com.au/sport/more-s...wn-peace-of-mind/story-fndukor0-1226497727051

I picked this quote, cause it made me lol

And the American reaffirmed his admiration for Aussie Tour de France champ Cadel Evans, whose achievements he said earlier this week could not be questioned.

"We were never teammates, you know I raced alongside of him for quite a long time and some of my ex-teammates, George Hincapie being one of them, had told me that Cadel was a super hardworker obviously, but he was clean," Hamilton said.

"And I remember back then, when George and I talked, that was out of the ordinary - someone being clean."

 

[msjett]

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/cycling...fended-says-robbie-mcewen-20121017-27qfo.html

Australian cycling great Robbie McEwen says he can no longer defend Lance Armstrong from doping allegations, given the weight of evidence against the American.

 

[Alex Simmons/RST]

In my email today broadcast message from Cycling Australia:
Link here:
http://www.cycling.org.au/?ID=48077...=YMLP&utm_term=view+this+email+in+your+browse...

17 OCTOBER 2012

A message from the Board of Cycling Australia to the members and supporters of cycling

It has been a difficult week, to say the least, for those who love the sport of cycling.

The fallout from the file released by the United States Anti Doping Agency (USADA) resulting from its investigation into doping allegations against Lance Armstrong and the many other riders implicated, has been incredibly damaging for cycling worldwide. The evidence presented is damning, the behaviour of the key players is morally reprehensible and cycling fans have every right to feel let down.

The Board of Cycling Australia (CA) met last night via teleconference for an initial discussion from the perspective of Australian cycling. The Board recognises its responsibility and role in the fight against doping within our sphere of influence here in Australia and among Australian cyclists. We also firmly believe there are many good things happening in the sport and it is equally important to continue to play our part in leading the sport into a future of growth and optimism.

Critical to this is the need to reassert where we stand on doping.

• As stated clearly in the CA Anti-Doping Policy: "Cycling Australia condemns doping as fundamentally contrary to the spirit of sport". The Board of CA is committed to the fight against doping in sport and in cycling in particular. We have a 'zero tolerance' approach to any athlete found guilty of cheating through the use of performance enhancing drugs and to any other person who aids and abets that process.

• As has been the case in the past, CA undertakes to fully cooperate with any investigation conducted by an accredited authority into an allegation of an Anti Doping Rule Violation (ADRV) against an Australian cyclist. This obligation also extends to any athlete, employee, contractor or member who might be asked to assist with any such inquiry.

• CA will redouble its efforts to protect the integrity of the environment within which people participate in the sport of cycling in Australia. This includes engaging and working with stakeholders and government agencies, such as the Australian Sports Anti Doping Authority (ASADA) and the Australian Sports Commission (ASC), to maximise our ability to meet this challenge.

A key issue for Australian cycling that arose out of the USADA dossier released last week was the naming of Matthew White as being implicated in doping practices conducted by the US Postal Services team.

For the past two seasons, Matt has been employed by CA as a part-time contractor in the role of Elite Men's Road National Coordinator. In that role he has made a significant, valuable contribution to our men's national teams and at no time do we believe his influence or actions went against the best interests of the sport.

However, the admissions contained within his public statement of 13 October clearly place him in breach of the CA Anti-Doping Policy and Code of Conduct. Accordingly, the Board has determined that his ongoing employment with CA is untenable and Matt was formally advised overnight of the termination of his contract.

We have been criticised in some quarters for the decision to appoint Matt in the first place and we understand the concerns that have been raised.

• At the time of his initial appointment in January 2011 Matt was a senior Director Sportif with the Garmin Slipstream team registered with the International Cycling Union (UCI).

• Garmin terminated his contract in January 2011 on the grounds he had contravened team policy.

• As a result of this decision CA made inquiries with a number of individuals and organisations including ASADA, the UCI and senior management at Garmin Slipstream, before determining there were no grounds to prevent Matt continuing in his role with CA.

The Board has recognised the current situation calls for the review of our internal processes for the appointment of staff and contractors and while this process will begin immediately it will also be a key item to be addressed in more detail by the CA Board at its scheduled November meeting.

Over the past few days there have been a number of initiatives tabled in the media by CA President, Klaus Mueller with a view to encouraging debate here in Australia as to what are the appropriate 'tools' to combat doping in sport. CA was an active player in the establishment of ASADA in 2005/06 and we have witnessed its effectiveness on more than one occasion since. ASADA is a leader in the world of sports anti-doping agencies and Australians should be very proud of the job done by the Authority. It is an ongoing challenge for all future governments and the sporting community to ensure ASADA is appropriately resourced.

In the past 24 hours the Hon Senator Kate Lundy, Minister for Sport, announced a Memorandum of Understanding between ASADA and the Australian Crime Commission, effectively strengthening the collaborative investigative capabilities of ASADA. CA congratulates and supports the Minister for this initiative.

John Coates AC, President of the Australian Olympic Committee, has written to the Minister seeking stronger powers for ASADA, including the authority to compel witnesses to comply with doping investigations. Again, CA supports the serious consideration of such initiatives.

The board, in its discussion last night, canvassed several of the suggestions that have been in the public arena this past week and resolved that an amnesty is not consistent with CA's strong anti-doping position. The Board does however support criminalising doping as it sends a strong message that such conduct is unacceptable and adds the resources of the police to the fight against this blight on sport.

CA has also been taken to task lately regarding our public support of the UCI and its initiatives and commitment to the fight against doping in the sport.
We acknowledge that there is now clear evidence that the UCI, until recent times, failed to fully and properly do its part to stamp out doping. We stand by our belief that the UCI deserves significant credit in a number of areas, namely its persistence in dealing with the Operation Puerto files and the ground-breaking introduction of the Biological Passport.

We believe there is also reasonable evidence to support the view that the current professional peloton is much 'cleaner' and fair competition is now taking place. However, we concede questions do remain.

How the UCI responds to the USADA file and how it addresses the allegations within it will be critical to the reputation of the organisation and that of the sport of cycling. We at CA encourage the UCI take this very real opportunity to steer the sport into a new future.

The Board of Cycling Australia