Reactions from the peloton

[Arnout]

I struggle to take De Kort seriously though, he has a permanent inferiority complex, not just on doping but on a lot of things.

 

[GJB123]

The AC in the Puerto files was indeed Contador. However, there were no blood bags and no training schedules with annotated doping intakes, as far as I know (some numbered pages are suspiciously missing from the dossier, and they correspond largely to the young guns at Liberty). In one page there was an annotation next to "AC" that said "nothing, or same as JJ".

Contador turned pro in 2003. It's possible that he was clean then - he certainly showed his class but without doing anything extraordinary. A large part of the Puerto papers are from 2004 or so, I think. Maybe by 2005 Manolo already felt he had assessed Contador's potential. Or, since he was such an obvious talent, maybe he was confident about his potential from the get go. Hell, maybe De Kort is lying. Who knows.

I am guessing that in 2004 Contador had other things to worry about than doping. Furthermore you wouldn't expect him to come back in 2005 doped to the gills after what he went through in 2004 (on the other hand we also thought that of Armstrong). And in 2006 the sh!t hit the proverbial fan, so it isn't beyond the realm of possibilities that AC did race cleanish in those years.

 

[GJB123]

I struggle to take De Kort seriously though, he has a permanent inferiority complex, not just on doping but on a lot of things.

That is no reason not to take him seriously. No offense meant, but that sounds like a remark that we heard time and again from the LA-camp.

 

[timbat]

Cadel Evans responds

http://www.sbs.com.au/cyclingcentral/news/40859/Evans-urges-fans-not-to-lose-faith

“I have to say congratulations to the authorities who have done this,” said Evans, in an interview with the Financial Review, referring to the USADA case into Lance Armstrong which saw him stripped of his seven Tour de France victories.

“If someone is thinking they can take drugs as a sports person, they are going to be very scared of this whole affair because 15 years after they have won their race and passed their drug test they know it is possible they can be uncovered.”

The 35 year old is also supportive of the investigation into Cycling Australia citing the phrase 'where there is smoke there is fire.'

“I give a lot more credibility to someone who gets investigated and cleared than someone who isn’t investigated at all,” he says.

However Evans is critical of the treatment of some of the riders who have admitted to doping, such as the sacking of Matt White from his roles at Cycling Australia and Orica-GreenEdge.

“I don’t know if condemning those who come and tell the truth is a good thing as it doesn’t encourage anyone else to come out and tell the truth.”

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[cineteq]

Thibaut Pinot: "I've beaten doped riders, and if I can beat some then I can beat others"

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/pinot-being-beaten-by-dopers-is-no-longer-a-valid-excuse

 

[del1962]

Sandy Caesar speaks

We can’t know what might have happened in other circumstances. When a whole team is doped, it can control or block a race, it can pull back breakaways, Maybe I sometimes even benefited from their work without knowing it. In effect, everything was falsified. One of the terrible things about doping is that we don’t know who really was good and who wasn’t.

What shocked me the most was to discover to what extent Armstrong and his teammates were perhaps protected by the powers that be I find that more serious than the cheating in itself. Frankly, you can see that at the UCI, they did the minimum to try to stop him. Cycling has lost all its credibility. Whether you’re honest or not, nobody believes in us anymore

 

[Arnout]

Riders thought to be (pretty) clean saying cycling has cleaned up. That will confuse the clinic.

 

[pastronef]

https://mobile.twitter.com/nealrogers/status/279067938810634241?p=v

Neal Rogers

Only in Boulder do you see the convicted doper you wrote about, and they give you a dirty look like you're the one that did something wrong

who's he talking about?

 

[Cloxxki]

https://mobile.twitter.com/nealrogers/status/279067938810634241?p=v

Neal Rogers

Only in Boulder do you see the convicted doper you wrote about, and they give you a dirty look like you're the one that did something wrong

who's he talking about?

I think Boulder is full of convicted and yet to be convicted dopers. But yeah, I'd like to know also.
Wasn't it in Boulder where Tyler was trying to remain friendly with old sporting friends, but at times was giving dirty looks himself for obvious reasons? This was pre-admission.

 

[58teeth]

My guess was prob Chuck Coyle or one of the smaller fish perhaps? Coyle still races the local Boulder scene alot.

 

[neineinei]

Thor Hushovd claims Armstrong hasn't been convicted for doping:

http://www.procycling.no/article3547183.ece (Norwegian)

http://translate.google.no/translat...u=http://www.procycling.no/article3547183.ece (Google translate)

 

[thehog]

Thor Hushovd claims Armstrong hasn't been convicted for doping:

http://www.procycling.no/article3547183.ece (Norwegian)

http://translate.google.no/translat...u=http://www.procycling.no/article3547183.ece (Google translate)

Appears all these "clean" riders are a frightened of Lance again.

But they're clean aren't they?

Only the French riders don't give a ***.

 

[filipo]

https://mobile.twitter.com/nealrogers/status/279067938810634241?p=v

Neal Rogers

Only in Boulder do you see the convicted doper you wrote about, and they give you a dirty look like you're the one that did something wrong

who's he talking about?

My guess would be Chuck Coyle, whom Rogers wrote about back when. If I recall correctly, Rogers tweeted that right about the same time Coyle's suspension ended.

Interesting side fact: I once beat Coyle in a Wednesday Worlds CX sprint. Me and Thibaut Pinot, man -- we're like the same talent!

 

[blackcat]

how can you tell a non-doper from a doper? the dopers are the pros, the non-dopers never got to voice their shibboleths.

 

[Benotti69]

Thor Hushovd claims Armstrong hasn't been convicted for doping:

http://www.procycling.no/article3547183.ece (Norwegian)

http://translate.google.no/translat...u=http://www.procycling.no/article3547183.ece (Google translate)

Hushovd's claims make a mockery of Garmin. His TdF stage wins in 2009 and 2011 now get stamped doped performances. JV really runs a tight 'clean' team

 

[thehog]

Hushovd's claims make a mockery of Garmin. His TdF stage wins in 2009 and 2011 now get stamped doped performances. JV really runs a tight 'clean' team

There's a few guys running scared of Lance now. They think that Lance will admit and start taking those down who criticised him.

Hushovd is a joke.

 

[neineinei]

procycling.no has been talking to Jim Ochowicz too, who says Armstrong is good for cycling. Ochowicz has no comment to Armstrongs treatment of Simeoni, and says he never has been worried that soigneur Freddy Viaene has been trying to do stuff he hasn't been hired to do.

http://www.procycling.no/article3547573.ece (Norwegian)

http://translate.google.com/transla...u=http://www.procycling.no/article3547573.ece (Google translate)

 

[blackcat]

freddy's choice

 

[filipo]

procycling.no has been talking to Jim Ochowicz too, who says Armstrong is good for cycling. Ochowicz has no comment to Armstrongs treatment of Simeoni, and says he never has been worried that soigneur Freddy Viaene has been trying to do stuff he hasn't been hired to do.

http://www.procycling.no/article3547573.ece (Norwegian)

http://translate.google.com/transla...u=http://www.procycling.no/article3547573.ece (Google translate)

If there's one guy I would love to see go down in all of this -- I mean really go down in flames, have his hat handed to him, be made to spend eternity chasing flags whilst stung by wasps and hornets -- it's Ochowicz. Man that fat baby grates on me. Him and everyone else who thinks they're untouchable because the sport owes them something.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Big Jim probably is scared wonderboy will spill some beans on Motorola. Given the fact his staff is a combo of Phonak/Mapei/Motorola big old Jimbo is not to be taken seriously on anti - doping.

 

[taiwan]

Nicole Cooke

"When Lance cries on Oprah later this week and she passes him a tissue, spare a thought for all of those genuine people who walked away with no reward, Tyler Hamilton will make more money from a book describing how he cheated than I will make in all my years of honest labour."

 

[Dazed and Confused]

"When Lance cries on Oprah later this week and she passes him a tissue, spare a thought for all of those genuine people who walked away with no reward, Tyler Hamilton will make more money from a book describing how he cheated than I will make in all my years of honest labour."

Yes, indeed. Very nicely put.
Trash the lot, only question is the degree of rot.

 

[hiero2]

Hushovd's claims make a mockery of Garmin. His TdF stage wins in 2009 and 2011 now get stamped doped performances. JV really runs a tight 'clean' team

I'm disappointed in Thor, but not entirely surprised. He's been playing the Sgt Schultz card for some time. "I know nothing! Nothing!"

Yeah, ok, sure.

 

[thehog]

Austrian cyclist Bernhard Kohl, who was stripped of third place at the 2008 Tour de France after a positive dope test, said the much-anticipated interview was unlikely to change cycling.

“It won’t shock anyone anymore if Armstrong admits everything,” Kohl told the Austria Press Agency.

“There won’t be a loud bang. Everyone knows that he did it. When you think of everything that’s come out in the last 10 years, then you know how this sport works … we’ll never root it (doping) out.”

http://velonews.competitor.com/2013...ould-write-off-nineties-as-lost-decade_271534

 

[DirtyWorks]

Ned Overend Is Right

Maybe Ned should run USA Cycling.

Dopers are thieves deserving jail punishment

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/overend-calls-for-cyclings-dopers-to-be-treated-as-criminals
Original story is better though: http://durangoherald.com/article/20130115/NEWS01/130119766/

Travis Brown's comments are interesting. I won't criticize because it's easy to do when I'm not the one that apparently had a real-money-like-a-salary-sponsorship from Trek.