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Red Bull Allegedly Doping like Nike Allegedly Dopes

Lindsey Vonn implicated in visiting doping doctor..... At a Red Bull funded athletic site.....

Then there is Thalgau, a peaceful village on the eastern outskirts of Salzburg, where Red Bull has sent Vonn to its Diagnostics and Training Center, a secure and nondescript old tin-oxide factory that houses a state-of-the-art sports laboratory overseen by a 71-year-old German doctor named Bernd Pansold.

It is there that America’s marquee Olympic star has visited the clinic of the East German doping doctor... Pansold....

Extensive evidence shows that Pansold was not just a passive actor in the GDR atrocities but was at the epicenter of the plan to ply female swimmers with crude and highly dangerous muscle-building drugs.


http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/i...tor-article-1.1349830?localLinksEnabled=false

Never tested positive.... Doping doctors on the payroll.... It's like I've heard this story somewhere before.
 
New Rule

Good article and at last theres 'no hiding' not even for the mega sports stars. And WADA come up good again:_

It happens that the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) is seeking to establish a new rule barring Olympic athletes from working with physicians or others who have been “criminally convicted of professionally disciplined in relation to doping.” The rule appears in a draft of the 2015 WADA Code under the heading “Prohibited Association.”
The proposed language for the rule says sanctions could follow if an athlete ignores written warnings for working with someone “found in a criminal, disciplinary or professional proceeding within the previous eight years to have been involved in conduct which would have constituted a violation of anti-doping rules.”
The proposed rule is bound to generate controversy given that it intrudes upon an athlete’s private medical choices and because it is difficult to enforce. But this is the new reality after Lance Armstrong showed how easy it is to beat the system with the help of at least one shady doctor.


Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/i...n-drug-doctor-article-1.1349830#ixzz2TxIzIiuc

Pro Cyclists watch out !
 
DirtyWorks said:
Lindsey Vonn implicated in visiting doping doctor..... At a Red Bull funded athletic site.....

Then there is Thalgau, a peaceful village on the eastern outskirts of Salzburg, where Red Bull has sent Vonn to its Diagnostics and Training Center, a secure and nondescript old tin-oxide factory that houses a state-of-the-art sports laboratory overseen by a 71-year-old German doctor named Bernd Pansold.

It is there that America’s marquee Olympic star has visited the clinic of the East German doping doctor... Pansold....

Extensive evidence shows that Pansold was not just a passive actor in the GDR atrocities but was at the epicenter of the plan to ply female swimmers with crude and highly dangerous muscle-building drugs.


http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/i...tor-article-1.1349830?localLinksEnabled=false

Never tested positive.... Doping doctors on the payroll.... It's like I've heard this story somewhere before.

Meanwhile, back on the ranch, Mikaela Shiffrin's father is a proven doping facilitator...

Though Shiffrin embraces her parents’ guidance, there’s one part of her father’s history she’s likely to distance herself from. In 1987, Jeff was involved in a blood-doping scandal with the U.S. Nordic Ski Team. Doug Peterson, the squad’s head coach and one of Jeff’s college friends, hired him to help the team’s top skier, Kerry Lynch, transfuse blood ahead of that year’s nordic combined world championships. When another coach on the team reported them, Lynch was stripped of the silver medal he’d won. There were no consequences for Shiffrin.

http://www.outsideonline.com/outdoor-adventure/athletes/Groomed-for-Success-.html?page=all
 
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ElChingon said:
Nor vice versa.

You think her being his GF brings suspicion on to her?

I've never seen an article in the NY times accusing woods of doping.

It doesn't say much for her character that she'd date such a cheater though.
 
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DirtyWorks said:
Lindsey Vonn implicated in visiting doping doctor..... At a Red Bull funded athletic site.....

Then there is Thalgau, a peaceful village on the eastern outskirts of Salzburg, where Red Bull has sent Vonn to its Diagnostics and Training Center, a secure and nondescript old tin-oxide factory that houses a state-of-the-art sports laboratory overseen by a 71-year-old German doctor named Bernd Pansold.

It is there that America’s marquee Olympic star has visited the clinic of the East German doping doctor... Pansold....

Extensive evidence shows that Pansold was not just a passive actor in the GDR atrocities but was at the epicenter of the plan to ply female swimmers with crude and highly dangerous muscle-building drugs.


http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/i...tor-article-1.1349830?localLinksEnabled=false

Never tested positive.... Doping doctors on the payroll.... It's like I've heard this story somewhere before.
like vettel looking like kohl.

long jaw, short features, austrian, hgh
 
Briant_Gumble said:
I've never seen an article in the NY times accusing woods of doping.

I'm not sure if that's humor, but for the occasional reader, Woods was associated with a Canadian Doctor eventually busted for transporting controlled substances. HGH is mentioned specifically.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=6743448

Never tested positive!

Pictures here: http://www.thebiglead.com/index.php/2009/12/15/tiger-woods-and-hgh/ In there is probably why the NY Times never ran a story. Woods' rep asked nicely not to run the HGH story.
 
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Briant_Gumble said:
You think her being his GF brings suspicion on to her?

I've never seen an article in the NY times accusing woods of doping.

It doesn't say much for her character that she'd date such a cheater though.

Yes, not that it would mean she never used before but might have access to a new group she might not of had access to before.
 
Not news to me; there was a minor controversy when this guy was appointed the team doctor of the Red Bull Salzburg football team, but they were able to brush it off with the tremendous influence on the media they have in Austria at least.

And anyway, with the whole Red Bull culture, doping seems like a really small step anyway.
 
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You think her being his GF brings suspicion on to her?

At the very least it says she has poor judgement. Why would you take up with a serial cheater. He cheated on Elin and while I loves me some Lindsey, Elin is hotter. If he cheated on Elin, he will cheat on Lindsey. I see what he gets but aside from a ride in his G5, what does she get?
 
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At the very least it says she has poor judgement. Why would you take up with a serial cheater. He cheated on Elin and while I loves me some Lindsey, Elin is hotter. If he cheated on Elin, he will cheat on Lindsey. I see what he gets but aside from a ride in his G5, what does she get?

Poor judgement is an understatement. Not to cast unnecessary personal dispersions, but there's not a lot of grain in that silo...
 
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Is this what they mean by "Red Bull gives you wings" It makes you fly up up and away...

It's East German so must be so much worse than doping in the West.
 
there are countless universities around the globe pumping out countless masters degrees and PhD's in exercise science and exercise physiology who are more than capable of measuring and interpreting lacate levels. :rolleyes:

so i ask one simple question, why in h*ll would you hire or seek guidance from someone with such a checkered past as Pansold?

EDIT: it's a rhetorical question folks, we ALL know the answer.
 
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Briant_Gumble said:
You think her being his GF brings suspicion on to her?

I've never seen an article in the NY times accusing woods of doping.

It doesn't say much for her character that she'd date such a cheater though.

Google Dr. Tony Gallea.....
 
Vonn Suprise Tested in NYC

It might be a little early to catch her, if she's doping. I would have waited a few weeks before her first event. But, that's me.

The star skier was at the Council of Fashion Designers of America awards at Lincoln Center on Monday night when testers from the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency escorted her to the restroom to collect a urine sample.


http://news.yahoo.com/lindsey-vonn-goes-red-carpet-drug-testing-171103241.html
 
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DirtyWorks said:
It might be a little early to catch her, if she's doping. I would have waited a few weeks before her first event. But, that's me.

The star skier was at the Council of Fashion Designers of America awards at Lincoln Center on Monday night when testers from the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency escorted her to the restroom to collect a urine sample.


http://news.yahoo.com/lindsey-vonn-goes-red-carpet-drug-testing-171103241.html

Well they also use the angle that if they are caught or tested very recently they won't be tested again because they are supposed to be scared straight. This is a very well timed test, especially if they plan another test in a random number of days before the following month.
 
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Courtesy of Anaconda in the tennis thread, I came across a most interesting article by Alan Moore. I think he's a journo worth following. http://backpagefootball.com/author/alanmoore/page/2/
Doesn't only talk about cheating in topsport at large, but also calls out the media for not engaging with it.

Anyway, here he talks about his own experience when he joined a soccer training camp in Austria in the 90s trying to get a contract with (then) Bundesliga club RB Leipzig:
http://backpagefootball.com/hippo-room-footballs-dark-past-present-load-red-bull/97672/
Hippo in the room – football’s dark past and present and a load of Red Bull

In December I was invited by a Bundesliga club to join them in a training camp in Southern Germany, or so I understood, it actually was in Austria.

I flew to Munich, was picked up and after a stop in Salzburg, we continued on to our training base in Obertauern. Obertauern was the Centre of Excellence for Austrian Sports and lots of athletes, skiers and tennis players trained there. It was a decent spot and we were to be worked like dogs for a week.
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The man came to me last – as I was the lightest of the bunch – and spoke with me in functional English. I was to drop back down to flyweight (51kgs) and he’d give me a program to strengthen me up. Honestly, I was thrilled. He believed in me and told me that he’d make me faster and stronger.

On day four we were all to begin our programs, it was injection time. I stopped dead in my tracks and asked what we were being given. “Vitamins, minerals and what you’ll lose in training.” I refused to take anything until I knew what it was exactly. The team manager roared, the balding man smiled like a friendly uncle and, I think, told them to leave me go.

Now, the balding man he talks about is none other than Bernd Pansold, a famous former East German doping doc who still runs a dodgy medical clinic in Vienna.
From wiki:
It is noteworthy that several notable athletes attend the Diagnostic- and training center to different degrees, to be treated or advised, such as German sports stars Maria Riesch and Sebastian Vettel, who however dispute and deny having ever had any contact with Pansold who is the leader of the operation. A possible collaboration between American Alpine skier Lindsey Vonn and Pansold is also a reoccurring theme in media of the United States.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernd_Pansold#Activity_in_Austria

From glimpsing at this Clinic thread it seems the focus has been on Lindsey Vonn/skiing, but there is much more to this guy Pansold. From the Moore article:
Pansold oversees the training regimes for the Red Bull family, from the New York Red Bulls to Red Bull Salzburg to Red Bull Brasil to RB Leipzig and Red Bull Ghana in football, and their motorsport and ice hockey groups. The growth into football was overseen by two notables, former runner and PR man Olli Mintzlaff and former Liverpool boss, Gerard Houllier.

Has there been a reaction to this or comment in our media? Not a chance.
How can we continue to ignore the Hippo in the room? Easy, it’s not our problem and it’s never our guys doing it. Not in our sport, our club, our country. Never those we work with and never those we admire. We just don’t need to know.

More from Wiki:
Red Bull performance center in Thalgau

Following his dismissal in Obertauern, Pansold continued to work from his practice in Vienna, who was occasionally invited to conferences and lectures, in which he sometimes claimed that the performance of professional athletes had only reached 50% of their potential in today's sports.[8] In 2008 he was hired by soft drink manufacturer Red Bull, whose founder and owner Dietrich Mateschitz had recently begun to sponsor sport clubs and athletes in a major way. Pansold then became the leader of the companies own "Diagnostic- and Training center " open to all athletes who are sponsored by Red Bull.

Since it became known that Red Bull and Pansold were working together, there has been harsh criticism raised against the company. In 2011 the German publication "Der Tagesspiegel" even accused the company of being too secretive regarding their involvement with Pansold, stating that the company were reluctant to share details on how and to what extent the collaboration with Pansold was.[10] The Süddeutsche Zeitung concluded, after a meeting of journalists with Pansold in Thalgau where he refused to answer questions regarding his past, that there are former athletes of the DDR, who are either sick today or who have had disabled children, due to the pills they were given by Pansold in their youth, and that you cannot hold it against them that they find it harsh and cynical that Pansold continues to be allowed to happily continue in his career as a doctor considering their condition.

Several things to take from this:
--> anybody thinking East German doping is a thing of the past is not watching properly. Pansold is just one of many former East German characters still involved in various branches of topsports.
--> Seems formula one doping is a serious thing. Alonso linked to Fuentes, Vettel to Pansold.
--> That bit about Houllier sounds promising but I wasn't sure how to read that. Is Alan Moore suggesting that Gerard Houllier introduced Pansold into football?
--> Could doping in Austria become a way for German athletes to circumvent tougher German antidoping laws?