Remco Evenepoel

[Savant12]

7.25w/kg and as someone said, looked like he wasn’t even going full gas.

 

[Red Rick]

7.25w/kg and as someone said, looked like he wasn’t even going full gas.

I don't buy not going full gas lol.

The problem is a little bit that it's very hard to compare climbs here. Especially in a one day race. There's not a lot of all out 12 minute climbs at a steep gradient, especially not in the days of post COVID climbing times.

I'd say the only climbs we see frequently at that length are Arrate from the traditional side, which is often very tactical, and Superga in Milano Torino, which is also very tactical very often.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

I don't buy not going full gas lol.

The problem is a little bit that it's very hard to compare climbs here. Especially in a one day race.

Obviously it was full gas but without a big attack. Remco achieved a ridiculous VAM of 2080 m/h and 12 minutes effort isn't even that super short.
Surely low elevation and steep gradient played their parts here but still it looks like a superb climbing speed.

 

[Red Rick]

Obviously it was full gas but without a big attack. Remco achieved a ridiculous VAM of 2080 m/h and 12 minutes effort isn't even that super short.
Surely low elevation and steep gradient played their parts here but still it looks like a superb climbing speed.

No big attack is a better pacing strategy no doubt. And yes it's a superb performance. But I also think it's a very hard one to extrapolate.

 

[Salvarani]

It will be interesting to see how long he can keep the watts after coming down from training camp.

Did he do a similar prep before LBL?

If so it could be interesting to follow if it is a trend that he has a super-peak right after coming down from a camp, but he cant really keep the super-peak for very long. He is back to "normal" level rather quickly, but still at a high level of course. It could explain some inconsistencies that we have seen.

 

[steffr222]

Did he do a similar prep before LBL?

If so it could be interesting to follow if it is a trend that he has a super-peak right after coming down from a camp, but he cant really keep the super-peak for very long. He is back to "normal" level rather quickly, but still at a high level of course. It could explain some inconsistencies that we have seen.

No similar prep. Just Itzulia the weeks before LBL

 

[deej1]

Cycling may be a dynamic sport and all, but climbing that much faster than everyone else on a short climb when they’re all going full gas including strong climbers seems crazy. Imagine someone winning a 5k run by nearly a minute at the world level.

Yates was closer I think?

 

[Ripper]

Did he do a similar prep before LBL?

If so it could be interesting to follow if it is a trend that he has a super-peak right after coming down from a camp, but he cant really keep the super-peak for very long. He is back to "normal" level rather quickly, but still at a high level of course. It could explain some inconsistencies that we have seen.

Did he not do an altitude camp just before the Tour of Norway and Tour de Suisse?

 

[red_flanders]

I don't buy not going full gas lol.

The problem is a little bit that it's very hard to compare climbs here. Especially in a one day race. There's not a lot of all out 12 minute climbs at a steep gradient, especially not in the days of post COVID climbing times.

I'd say the only climbs we see frequently at that length are Arrate from the traditional side, which is often very tactical, and Superga in Milano Torino, which is also very tactical very often.

I think RE: not full gas, he certainly had to be saving something for the 40k after the climb. If it were a finishing climb he’d almost certainly have gone faster. What one takes from that I don’t know.

 

[houtdffan]

I think RE: not full gas, he certainly had to be saving something for the 40k after the climb. If it were a finishing climb he’d almost certainly have gone faster. What one takes from that I don’t know.

maybe we'd be seeing a mythical 8 W/kg if that climb was an MTF

 

[Big Doopie]

Lol at this entire thread. U got a guy who dominated juniors like no one ever before. So exactly when did Remco start doping? When he was still in the womb?

Does no one here realize that the younger the pros are able to win that the cleaner cycling is?

It is when u have abrupt “improvements” in you lat 20s (characteristic of 1991-2010).

And that is why Bahrain has been ridiculous.

 

[Netserk]

Lol at this entire thread. U got a guy who dominated juniors like no one ever before. So exactly when did Remco start doping? When he was still in the womb?

Does no one here realize that the younger the pros are able to win that the cleaner cycling is?

It is when u have abrupt “improvements” in you lat 20s (characteristic of 1991-2010).

And that is why Bahrain has been ridiculous.

Pantani was clean. Or when exactly did he start doping?

 

[Blobs]

Pantani was clean. Or when exactly did he start doping?

Pantanis level exploded in 94 when he was 24, so that's probably when he got on the EPO. Very different from Evenepoel. No comparison really.

 

[Netserk]

Pantanis level exploded in 94 when he was 24, so that's probably when he got on the EPO. Very different from Evenepoel. No comparison really.

I'm quite sure he used EPO before that. And that he likely started doping with other products before that as well.

Evenepoel's level also suddenly rose from after he did Romandie.

 

[Savant12]

Lol at this entire thread. U got a guy who dominated juniors like no one ever before. So exactly when did Remco start doping? When he was still in the womb?

Does no one here realize that the younger the pros are able to win that the cleaner cycling is?

It is when u have abrupt “improvements” in you lat 20s (characteristic of 1991-2010).

And that is why Bahrain has been ridiculous.

Juniors is not the same level as Pro racing. I'm sure his father is well connected with the right people.

Your second statement is just ridiculous. Young people don't dope? Ok, then!

 

[Blobs]

I'm quite sure he used EPO before that. And that he likely started doping with other products before that as well.

Evenepoel's level also suddenly rose from after he did Romandie.

Well he did something better. He went from an average rider with no real pro results to the mythical GOAT climber, from one season to the next. Very different from Evenepoel who has had insane results since he started riding.

 

[Extinction]

Well he did something better. He went from an average rider with no real pro results to the mythical GOAT climber, from one season to the next. Very different from Evenepoel who has had insane results since he started riding.

Indurain said in an interview that before Pantani 's breakthrough year of 94 word was already out in the pro peleton that there was an emerging rider who could climb phenomenally well, which suggests that Pantani did not just rise out of nowhere.

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

Lol at this entire thread. U got a guy who dominated juniors like no one ever before. So exactly when did Remco start doping? When he was still in the womb?

Does no one here realize that the younger the pros are able to win that the cleaner cycling is?

Other (dirty) sports have had similar success stories. Long-distance runner Selemon Barega is a prime example.

5th fastest 5,000m runner of all time at age 18.

 

[Big Doopie]

Juniors is not the same level as Pro racing. I'm sure his father is well connected with the right people.

Your second statement is just ridiculous. Young people don't dope? Ok, then!

17 year old prodigies generally don’t, no.

And if u knew ANYTHING about cycling, you would realize that blood doping/blood vector drugs usually took cyclists a while to get on the full program.

Have u even f$&kin’ noticed that great champions pre-1990s showed their natural potential in their early 20s, often before. Between 1991-2010 u have hundreds of examples of riders blossoming at a much later age (having got on the “program”). Meanwhile, there were almost no riders who were successful at a young age in the pros.

Now we have many young riders again kicking butt from an early age - a sign that things are waaaaaay cleaner, or that at least transformational blood vector doping has been severely limited.

When posters cannot even differentiate between eras, or just assume that nothing ever changes no matter what, they are just stupid or know nothing about cycling. They have probably been so emotionally destroyed by starting following cycling in the 1990s or 2000s and finding out that their heroes were frauds. So now they need to believe that the recent dominance of young riders must also be a fraud. Instead these posters are severely uninformed.

 

[Extinction]

17 year old prodigies generally don’t, no.

And if u knew ANYTHING about cycling, you would realize that blood doping/blood vector drugs usually took cyclists a while to get on the full program.

Have u even f$&kin’ noticed that great champions pre-1990s showed their natural potential in their early 20s, often before. Between 1991-2010 u have hundreds of examples of riders blossoming at a much later age (having got on the “program”). Meanwhile, there were almost no riders who were successful at a young age in the pros.

Now we have many young riders again kicking butt from an early age - a sign that things are waaaaaay cleaner, or that at least transformational blood vector doping has been severely limited.

When posters cannot even differentiate between eras, or just assume that nothing ever changes no matter what, they are just stupid or know nothing about cycling. They have probably been so emotionally destroyed by starting following cycling in the 1990s or 2000s and finding out that their heroes were frauds. So now they need to believe that the recent dominance of young riders must also be a fraud. Instead these posters are severely uninformed.

In truth in the age before EPO doping did not turn donkies into race horses. So it was much more about natural sellection, for which truely talented riders could emerge in their early 20s. Nowadays that is clearly happening again, but it doesn't mean happening naturally. At any rate, you still have to be a phenomenon to emerge at 19-20 years-old period.

 

[Fergoose]

17 year old prodigies generally don’t, no.

And if u knew ANYTHING about cycling, you would realize that blood doping/blood vector drugs usually took cyclists a while to get on the full program.

Have u even f$&kin’ noticed that great champions pre-1990s showed their natural potential in their early 20s, often before. Between 1991-2010 u have hundreds of examples of riders blossoming at a much later age (having got on the “program”). Meanwhile, there were almost no riders who were successful at a young age in the pros.

Now we have many young riders again kicking butt from an early age - a sign that things are waaaaaay cleaner, or that at least transformational blood vector doping has been severely limited.

When posters cannot even differentiate between eras, or just assume that nothing ever changes no matter what, they are just stupid or know nothing about cycling. They have probably been so emotionally destroyed by starting following cycling in the 1990s or 2000s and finding out that their heroes were frauds. So now they need to believe that the recent dominance of young riders must also be a fraud. Instead these posters are severely uninformed.

I've always said young riders (say 24 and under) should be dominating. But some young guys are smashing the other young guys (and not so old guys) in an alarming way. I dont put Remco in the Pog and Vingegaard category based on his breakout GC performance today given he couldn't drop Mas and couldn't catch Vine.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

6.5 w/kg and 6.44 w/kg in the first 2 mountain stages. Vingegaard and Poga can already move over

 

[Krzysztof_O]

6.5 w/kg and 6.44 w/kg in the first 2 mountain stages. Vingegaard and Poga can already move over

I don't think so. Looking at Vuelta performances 6.5 w/kg happens regularly (opposite to the Tour), especially on low-elevation climbs (like today). In 2019 Grandpa Valverde had almost 6.6 w/kg on a 25-minute climb.

 

[Red Rick]

6.5 w/kg and 6.44 w/kg in the first 2 mountain stages. Vingegaard and Poga can already move over

Can't even beat Piancavallo KelderMercxk this is weak sauce.

No but it's really high level but I wouldn't put it into Pog and Vingegaard territory yet.

 

[Breh]

He hasn't even distanced Mas yet!