Renshaw #1

[El Pistolero]

It's even more stupid to think that's what Timmy (or indeed anyone in this thread) is implying.

I'm calling it stupid that Renshaw will lead out Bos. He says it's not. There's not much room left for implying I'm afraid.

 

[just some guy]

I'm calling it stupid that Renshaw will lead out Bos. He says it's not. There's not much room left for implying I'm afraid.

Unless Renshaw fails as Sprinter - then we will see him leading out Bos, Mathews.

 

[theyoungest]

I'm calling it stupid that Renshaw will lead out Bos. He says it's not. There's not much room left for implying I'm afraid.

No, you're calling it stupid that Renshaw left Cavendish with the goal to become a leadout for Bos. It's a subtle difference, but I assume you can understand this as a supposed university student (although I'm starting to doubt this).

 

[El Pistolero]

Unless Renshaw fails as Sprinter - then we will see him leading out Bos, Mathews.

He will, hence he should have stayed with Cav.

Renshaw just can't sprint, just look at the Eneco Tour this year. Nowhere to be seen.

 

[El Pistolero]

No, you're calling it stupid that Renshaw left Cavendish with the goal to become a leadout for Bos. It's a subtle difference, but I assume you can understand this as a supposed university student (although I'm starting to doubt this).

Actually I'm calling it stupid that he left Cav and still not getting to work for him self. And if you're going to be a lead out man, you might as well go with the best sprinter of your generation instead of someone like Bos who's far from what I call a good sprinter. Don't give me the "he sucks at positioning" argument. So does Greipel, but he still won 8 nice races without a decent lead out.

But in the end, it was all about the money anyway. Rabo probably offered a lot more than Sky(or w/e team Cav is going to) and Renshaw went for it. But you're not going to tell me this was sportive decision by Renshaw

 

[theyoungest]

Actually I'm calling it stupid that he left Cav and still not getting to work for him self. And if you're going to be a lead out man, you might as well go with the best sprinter of your generation instead of someone like Bos who's far from what I call a good sprinter. Don't give me the "he sucks at positioning" argument. So does Greipel, but he still won 8 nice races without a decent lead out.

But in the end, it was all about the money anyway. Rabo probably offered a lot more than Sky(or w/e team Cav is going to) and Renshaw went for it. But you're not going to tell me this was sportive decision by Renshaw

Yes it was, because his main goal is to start sprinting for himself. How hard can it be to understand this?

 

[abbaskip]

He will, hence he should have stayed with Cav.

Renshaw just can't sprint, just look at the Eneco Tour this year. Nowhere to be seen.

He didn't really contest any in the Eneco Tour??

He won he Tour of Qatar, which had Bennati, Haussler, Bos, Boonen, Steegmans, and Hondo all in it.

Not the world's biggest race, but with those guys racing, it's not something to be ignored. He also generally has trained purely to be a lead out. He trains for long sustained efforts, instead of sprints. This will change next year, even if he ends up leading out Bos at some stage, he won't be training purely for it (with HTC his season revolves around leading out Cav, and if he gets to ride for himself, it's a bonus and not something he gets to build towards).

Eneco Tour is a ridiculous race to base anything on, Renshaw hasn't ridden since the TdF, and hasn't contested a sprint yet. Have you watched, or just read results??

Also watch the 2010 Tour of Denmark. Not as good a field as Qatar this year, but he and Goss were taking it in turns winning!

 

[El Pistolero]

He didn't really contest any in the Eneco Tour??

He won he Tour of Qatar, which had Bennati, Haussler, Bos, Boonen, Steegmans, and Hondo all in it.

Not the world's biggest race, but with those guys racing, it's not something to be ignored. He also generally has trained purely to be a lead out. He trains for long sustained efforts, instead of sprints. This will change next year, even if he ends up leading out Bos at some stage, he won't be training purely for it (with HTC his season revolves around leading out Cav, and if he gets to ride for himself, it's a bonus and not something he gets to build towards).

Eneco Tour is a ridiculous race to base anything on, Renshaw hasn't ridden since the TdF, and hasn't contested a sprint yet. Have you watched, or just read results??

Also watch the 2010 Tour of Denmark. Not as good a field as Qatar this year, but he and Goss were taking it in turns winning!

Dude, he won one stage in it. Qatar, Down Under, Eneco Tour were races were he was allowed to ride for him self and he didn't impress anyone as a sprinter. People like Goss and Greipel won races even if they were forced in the lead out train of Cav. Greipel didn't ride since the Tour as well and won 2 stages this Eneco Tour and worked his balls of for Phil in the hilly stages(he could have won the last stage to be honest)

If he wants to be a sprinter, Rabobank is the wrong team to go to. They don't support anyone except if you're Dutch. Besides, I was calling it stupid that Renshaw would be lead out man for Bos. Not going to happen.

Boonen, Steegmans and Haussler sure had amazing seasons this year, how anyone could ever beat these guys is beyond me

 

[just some guy]

Dude, he won one stage in it. Qatar, Down Under, Eneco Tour were races were he was allowed to ride for him self and he didn't impress anyone as a sprinter. People like Goss and Greipel won races even if they were forced in the lead out train of Cav.

If he wants to be a sprinter, Rabobank is the wrong team to go to. They don't support anyone except if you're Dutch.

Unless your Spanish, Russian, Danish - Just a dumb statement.

 

[hatcher]

Apart from Freire, Flecha, Rasmussen, Menchov etc.

 

[El Pistolero]

Yes it was, because his main goal is to start sprinting for himself. How hard can it be to understand this?

Hence it would be stupid if he lead out Bos.

 

[El Pistolero]

Apart from Freire, Flecha, Rasmussen, Menchov etc.

Are you really going to argue that Freire and Menchov got a lot of team support in their main goals of the season?

Rasmussen got screwed big time by Rabobank by the way, in case you didn't know.

 

[woodie]

Dude, he won one stage in it. Qatar, Down Under, Eneco Tour were races were he was allowed to ride for him self and he didn't impress anyone as a sprinter. People like Goss and Greipel won races even if they were forced in the lead out train of Cav. Greipel didn't ride since the Tour as well and won 2 stages this Eneco Tour and worked his balls of for Phil in the hilly stages(he could have won the last stage to be honest)

If he wants to be a sprinter, Rabobank is the wrong team to go to. They don't support anyone except if you're Dutch. Besides, I was calling it stupid that Renshaw would be lead out man for Bos. Not going to happen.

Boonen, Steegmans and Haussler sure had amazing seasons this year, how anyone could ever beat these guys is beyond me

At what point at the TDU did he get to ride for himself? He was riding for Cav to start with and then Goss in the second half, he didn't get to ride for himself at all at the TDU. At Eneco he wasn't racing to win but rather get back into racing although it would have been nice to see him perform.

Maybe he won't succeed as a top notch sprinter, we will just have to wait and see if he can transfer across, and if he doesn't succeed then he can go back to leadouts knowing he gave it a crack.

It's his career and i'm pretty sure he know's his own abilities and I think he's earned a chance to prove himself.

Are you really going to argue that Freire and Menchov got a lot of team support in their main goals of the season?

Rasmussen got screwed big time by Rabobank by the way, in case you didn't know.

You mean after he lied to them and everyone else and put their brand at risk so they fired him? It's called business

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

Menchov often spoke highly of the support he got in his GT wins. But of course you would know better.

LTD was a monster for menchov @ giro 09'

 

[El Pistolero]

Menchov often spoke highly of the support he got in his GT wins. But of course you would know better.

LTD was a monster for menchov @ giro 09'

So did Contador. Point being?

 

[theyoungest]

Are you really going to argue that Freire and Menchov got a lot of team support in their main goals of the season?

Rasmussen got screwed big time by Rabobank by the way, in case you didn't know.

Jesus Pistrollero, you always argue yourself straight into a ditch, and then you bring up some entirely different point.

You went from "Theo Bos isn't worth leading out" to "Rabo doesn't support foreigners" to "Rasmussen got screwed"... what the hell is your point? Rabobank sucks? Okay, we get it. Now go back ****ing off to a Gilbert poster.

 

[just some guy]

Jesus Pistrollero, you always argue yourself straight into a ditch, and then you bring up some entirely different point.

You went from "Theo Bos isn't worth leading out" to "Rabo doesn't support foreigners" to "Rasmussen got screwed"... what the hell is your point? Rabobank sucks? Okay, we get it. Now go back ****ing off to a Gilbert poster.

Had not seen that one before very Clever.

 

[woodie]

So did Contador. Point being?

That he felt Rabobank supported him to his expectations for his GT wins which you claim they didn't

 

[El Pistolero]

That he felt Rabobank supported him to his expectations for his GT wins which you claim they didn't

I don't think Menchov got great team support during his GT wins, no. He was lucky in the Giro that other teams controlled the race.

Contador also thanked his team at the Giro this year even though they sucked hard. Cyclists talk crap all the time in interviews, surprise... Other teams controlled the race as well, so Contador didn't need much of a team at the Giro.

 

[woodie]

I don't think Menchov got great team support during his GT wins, no. He was lucky in the Giro that other teams controlled the race.

Contador also thanked his team at the Giro this year even though they sucked hard. Cyclists bull**** all the time in interviews, surprise...

Oh so you know better than Menchov? and have intimate knowledge of his teams tactics? nice..

Maybe Conti was happy with the support he got, just because you think they sucked doesn't mean Contador didn't appreciate their support

 

[El Pistolero]

Jesus Pistrollero, you always argue yourself straight into a ditch, and then you bring up some entirely different point.

You went from "Theo Bos isn't worth leading out" to "Rabo doesn't support foreigners" to "Rasmussen got screwed"... what the hell is your point? Rabobank sucks? Okay, we get it. Now go back ****ing off to a Gilbert poster.

Actually, I just bolded "Renshaw will lead out Bos" and called that stupid. You made your own interpretations of that.

You can't say Renshaw will go for his own chances and then say he'll lead out Bos. He was better off with Cavendish then. Because yeah, Cavendish is better than Bos and as a lead out man you don't want to work your balls of for nothing

 

[El Pistolero]

Oh so you know better than Menchov? and have intimate knowledge of his teams tactics? nice..

Maybe Conti was happy with the support he got, just because you think they sucked doesn't mean Contador didn't appreciate their support

Their was no support. Like at all. He was isolated on all the climbs. I don't need to know much of team tactics to know that isn't a good thing.

 

[woodie]

Their was no support. Like at all. He was isolated on all the climbs. I don't need to know much of team tactics to know that isn't a good thing.

But Menchov was happy and won the Giro right? Because at the end of the day that's what it comes down to.

And its there not their, just so you know (I assume english is your second language)

 

[El Pistolero]

But Menchov was happy and won the Giro right? Because at the end of the day that's what it comes down to.

Yeah, but if someone said Cadel won this year's Tour because he had strong team support in the mountains would you agree?

Sometimes people win because they have the strongest team(Sastre), sometimes people win because they're simply the best(Menchov in 2007/2009).

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

I don't think Menchov got great team support during his GT wins, no. He was lucky in the Giro that other teams controlled the race.

Contador also thanked his team at the Giro this year even though they sucked hard. Cyclists talk crap all the time in interviews, surprise... Other teams controlled the race as well, so Contador didn't need much of a team at the Giro.

go watch the vuelta 07' they rode out of thier skin for him.

And like I said LTD was a monster for menchov @09.

pretty sure you didnt watch the race and just basing this on your anti-rabo-dutch attitude. we get it, you hate them. (I mean VdB having no support is fine etc, because you know....)