Everything in the infinite is born of something, so either god is the exception, or the universe is. The infinite does neither belief a favor. Time may have rules, but it has no physical substance.
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Christian said:To the bible scholars out there - was Mary born of a virgin as well? In Spain they worship Mary's mother a lot ("Santa Ana"), many statues of her, churches and streets named after her, but I never heard that she also gave "virgin birth".
The Hitch said:I wonder what echoes' opinion is on homosexuality. Historically religions have made life hell for gay people (and told them it continues to be hell afterwards)
And the politicians he has identified with and expressed strong support for - Assad and Putin, both commit human rights violations against the lgbt communities in their countries.
You against gay rights echoes?
RetroActive said:Forms come, forms go in time. Matter is constantly recycled.
St Luke1
1:7 And they had no child, because that Elisabeth was barren, and they both were now well stricken in years
1:18 And Zacharias said unto the angel, Whereby shall I know this? for I am an old man, and my wife well stricken in years. 1:19And the angel answering said unto him, I am Gabriel, that stand in the presence of God; and am sent to speak unto thee, and to shew thee these glad tidings.1:20And, behold, thou shalt be dumb, and not able to speak, until the day that these things shall be performed, because thou believest not my words, which shall be fulfilled in their season. 1:21
1:24And after those days his wife Elisabeth conceived, and hid herself five months, saying, 1:25Thus hath the Lord dealt with me in the days wherein he looked on me, to take away my reproach among men. 1:26And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth, 1:27To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary
1:36And, behold, thy cousin Elisabeth, she hath also conceived a son in her old age: and this is the sixth month with her, who was called barren
1:56And Mary abode with her about three months, and returned to her own house. 1:57Now Elisabeth's full time came that she should be delivered; and she brought forth a son.
What is the sixth sign of the zodiac? Virgo. What is the third sign of the zodiac? Gemini. One is about falling, the other about rising - very broadly speaking.
http://www.google.ca/imgres?um=1&sa...ndsp=15&ved=1t:429,r:5,s:0,i:101&tx=133&ty=86
Do you think this is about a transition of the ages? John is born of the old age and baptises Jesus, of the new, with water (the material world of forms).
There are layers of meaning in this allegory, astro-theology being one.
The Jews are said to have been evicted from Palestine in 72-3 AD. This didn't happen historically but it does take approx. 72 yrs. for the sun to move 1 degree in the precession. In other words the age of Pisces had been confirmed and the religion of Aries (Judaism) was over (in the heavens).
16 He went to Nazareth, where he had been brought up, and on the Sabbath day he went into the synagogue, as was his custom. He stood up to read, 17 and the scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to him. Unrolling it, he found the place where it is written: [...]
The Hitch said:I wonder what echoes' opinion is on homosexuality. Historically religions have made life hell for gay people (and told them it continues to be hell afterwards)
And the politicians he has identified with and expressed strong support for - Assad and Putin, both commit human rights violations against the lgbt communities in their countries.
You against gay rights echoes?
Christian said:Could Jesus read or was he illiterate?
I had never thought about that, but I came across the song "The good book" by Tim Minchin (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMnEpOsGH4o) and towards the end he says (if I understood correctly) "Just cause Jesus couldn't read, doesn't mean that we would need...". But I am not 100% sure because it's pretty fast and I am not used to his accent (australian, I think)
Luke Schmid said:Are you denying that there is a large number of Christians in the world who believe homesexuality is a sin and a sinner goes to hell? Also there are Christians that believe the HIV was send from God as a punishment for homosexuality?
I can assure you that they do exist and with significant numbers.
Christian said:Are you......for real.
Cause Progress is not garanteed
I say Pus-sy Riot's what we need
-Jeffrey Lewis, wwprd
Christian said:Are you......for real.
Master50 said:Murder, stealing and adultery are wrong regardless of them being listed as sins or a belief in a diety.
That's because evidently you think murder is wrong only because if you do that God will slap your wrist...Echoes said:If I did not believe in God I woud kill Rhubroma and would find nothing wrong with it.
Echoes said:Why should I not be?
Surely, you won't tell me that these basterds who think they're musicians should be defended, really?
Lol and why should they be wrong then?
If I did not believe in God I woud kill Rhubroma and would find nothing wrong with it.
I can't talk for Echoes, but it seems obvious to me that once you are believing in G-D you believe that what he commands you to do is essentially the basis for all morality. So it isn't all about the repercussions.Eshnar said:That's because evidently you think murder is wrong only because if you do that God will slap your wrist...
RetroActive said:Transhumanism and the alchemical ideal?
http://2045.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6ZtkV1K-bU
Transcendence
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEVC2Bjz8Vk
or
Transcendence
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCTen3-B8GU
Is this where we're going? Or are we already there? Big 'ole questions arise.
horsinabout said:'My name is Ozymandias, king of kings: Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!' Quote Shelley.
When Ubermensch meets ‘Brave New World’ - they come up with Transhumanism!
Is social engineering and the tyranny of man anything new? Perhaps it just gets modernised, with new and better technology. I think the internet is a good technology, it is communication, breaks down barriers and educates.
How old is the internet now twenty or so years? It is embryonic but fast growing. Then there are specialist forums like this one that are esoteric groups. We have shared knowledge and interests. And here we all are as complete strangers, having it out, and the only thing the receiver has to go on is what we chose to write. Of that, about 40% of an individual we can glean information about, the other 60% is a fill in. Apparently.
And the secret to immortality is write a dame book, a good one preferably. And on the internet we write, not so much for tomorrow’s fish and chip paper, but tomorrow’s googling shi*t. And that android thing, it is A.I, conscience will only be programmed into a microchip – just a copy, not the real or living person.
Now the internet has to be a good thing, just think, if it were not for the internet, then Echoes would not have unbound freedom of speech, and that would be a tragedy for mankind would it not?
A price worth paying
http://youtu.be/ugHO5LBR8Ns