Buffalo Soldier said:Weird article indeed. As if any person honestly believes the bible is historically accurate?
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Buffalo Soldier said:Weird article indeed. As if any person honestly believes the bible is historically accurate?
BigMac said:Most of you have come across this already. I recomend my fellow atheist forumites to take a look at pantheism, especially Descender. Is it not beatiful?
http://www.pantheism.net/
Descender said:Did the quiz, turned out atheist/secular humanist.
I sympathise with pantheism, but I cannot get behind any idea of the supernatural until I see sufficient evidence. I marvel in awe at the cosmos, but I don't think there's anything supernatural about it.
Echoes said:..and you dare to claim I am, good laugh...
So now we know. A Fascist who gets his info from the BBC!
pregalblvd said:I just don't understand how people can be 100% sure there is no god.
I think its super, super unlikely but if you believe it to be 100% true and infallible....
Isn't that faith?
pregalblvd said:I just don't understand how people can be 100% sure there is no god.
I think its super, super unlikely but if you believe it to be 100% true and infallible....
Isn't that faith?
Or do you not acknowledge there are somethings that you may not know or are unknowable because of the limitations of our perceptions or brains.
Im very surprised that so many people voted for the bottom option.
I guess it depends on what your definition of god is but your whole reality could be a sham how can you be 100% sure there is no god?
BigMac said:If one is certain of the unexistance of gods, then no, it is not faith, for faith implies having doubt on a subject you wish - or not - it is either true or works out on a certain way.
Maaaaaaaarten said:I've always disliked this definition of faith. I know many people use the word 'faith' as in believing a proposition that can't be proven or something along those lines. For me however, when I say I have faith, I'm not talking about believing certain propositions to be true at all. When I say I have faith in God, I don't mean I just believe God exists without any proof or rational reasons for it. In fact, when I say I have faith in God, I'm using the word more in a relational sense. When I say I have faith in someone, I'm not saying I believe he exists without being able to prove it; I'm saying I trust him. So similarly I think faith in the Biblical sense of the word is about trusting God and what he says and what he promises. Now of course for trusting someone, you have to believe he exists. But saying you have faith in someone, or that you trust him, doesn't imply you have some doubt about whether he exists or that you accept his existence without proof or anything like that.
Btw, I'm not correcting how you use the word faith or anything, because many people use it in that way, so I guess it's a perfectly valid meaning of the word. Even many christians, to my disappointment, use it in the same way. I just read your post and I remember I was annoyed when people and even many christians somehow think that christianity teaches that accepting certain propositions to be true without having a rational reason for it is somehow a virtue called 'faith'. Because I, as a christian, think that's a really lousy vitue. But of course your post wasn't talking about that at all, so I guess I just randomly got annoyed and started ranting into the air
rhubroma said:Faith is a gift they say. Evidently for those without it no gift was supplied.
rhubroma said:Faith is a gift they say. Evidently for those without it no gift was supplied.
BigMac said:Ironically (?) it sells the idea of arbitrariness and a very unreasonable God. What have I done wrong not to deserve Faith?
pregalblvd said:I just don't understand how people can be 100% sure there is no god.I think its super, super unlikely but if you believe it to be 100% true and infallible....
Isn't that faith?
Or do you not acknowledge there are somethings that you may not know or are unknowable because of the limitations of our perceptions or brains.
Im very surprised that so many people voted for the bottom option.
I guess it depends on what your definition of god is but your whole reality could be a sham how can you be 100% sure there is no god?
rhubroma said:The BBC, where?
pregalblvd said:I just don't understand how people can be 100% sure there is no god.
I think its super, super unlikely but if you believe it to be 100% true and infallible....
Isn't that faith?
Or do you not acknowledge there are somethings that you may not know or are unknowable because of the limitations of our perceptions or brains.
Im very surprised that so many people voted for the bottom option.
I guess it depends on what your definition of god is but your whole reality could be a sham how can you be 100% sure there is no god?
Echoes said:He did not refer to OT Commandments.
Jesus' commandment is : "Love one another the way I loved You"
Christians - at least traditional catholics - don't believe in the OT. The OT is ambivalent; there are good things and bad things in it. Only the Gospel matters.
You've quoted a link from the BBC, just scroll up. Saville's broadcaster !
The Hitch said:because the religious story contradicts itself. Therefore it makes no sense. If something makes 0 sense I can be 100% certain it's not true.
Jspear said:The Bible doesn't contradict its self. You might be confused by it, but that is a user error. It harmonizes perfectly - you have to read and study the Bible in it's entirety to understand it's complete harmonious story.
Jspear said:The Bible doesn't contradict its self. You might be confused by it, but that is a user error. It harmonizes perfectly - you have to read and study the Bible in it's entirety to understand it's complete harmonious story.
Jspear said:The Bible doesn't contradict its self. You might be confused by it, but that is a user error. It harmonizes perfectly - you have to read and study the Bible in it's entirety to understand it's complete harmonious story.
The Hitch said:because the religious story contradicts itself. Therefore it makes no sense. If something makes 0 sense I can be 100% certain it's not true.
kingjr said:It's more likely the other way round. You have to throw aside every bit of sense you have, to make this piece of work look like a perfect harmony.
The Hitch said:God is benevolent but he puts people into eternal suffering based on actions they, commited during a tiny inconsiquential fraction of time, because of circumstances he placed them in.
I wouldn't put Hitler into eternal suffering let alone someone who didn't believe in me and I'm far from benevolent.
That a benevolent being would.force the most horrific punishment imaginable on innocents is an irreconcilable contradiction that absolutely destroys any religion that proclaims it.