Echoes said:
Beside, they seem to have justify their action by the Talmud more than the Torah.
When you talk about the Talmud, we can take that to mean the oral law in general as the Talmud is effectively the oral law written down.
The Oral Law and the Torah are complementary; they work hand in hand
Christians don't hold of the Oral Law, yet I have some proofs it exists and I will be interested to hear answers:
No commandment in the Torah/Bible has instructions on how to fulfill them, so how can the Torah command us instructions if we don't have an oral law to explain the instructions
Firstly, the Mishna (The first books to write the oral law, the Talmud is based and expands on the Mishna) says that
"All [fish] that have scales also have fins [and are thus kosher]; there are [fish] that have fins but do not have scales [and are thus unkosher]."
The Mishna which was written before 217 CE says that there are no fish in the world with scales but no fins. How is it possible that this idea can originate from humans and can claim this and to this day no fish have been discovered with scales but no fins. Despite evolution, crossbreeding, and that 72% of the world is water and this was written 2000 years ago and the new marine fish species is being identified at an average rate of 160 per year. 200000 fish are acknowledged by scientists and yet not one has scales but no fins!
So, to summarize, how could a human being thousands of years ago know that no fish would have scales but no fins, despite hundreds of fish being discovered every year?!
Secondly, look at this qoute from Babylonian Talmud, Berachot 32b:
(God is speaking) "Twelve constellations have I created in the firmament, and for each constellation I have created thirty hosts, and for each host I have created thirty legions, and for each legion I have created thirty cohorts, and for each cohort I have created thirty divisions, and for each division I have created thirty camps, and to each camp I have attached three hundred and sixty-five thousands of myriads of stars"
That comes out to 1 x 10^18
Scientific ESTIMATE is only 1 x 10^22
That is just four orders of magnitudes from what the Talmud predicted 2000 years ago!!!
Galileo approximately 400 years ago created the telescope, before that all they knew about stars was what they could count manually. In fact, it seems inconceivable that they would think the stars amounted to more than the thousands, never mind an 19 digit number. In fact it is doubtful that 'scientists' of those days could even conceive of such a large number.
How could the Talmud possibly know the number of stars so many years ago?
And a quote from Aish.com
However, the Talmud relates more than a raw number. The passage explains that the distribution of stars throughout the cosmos is neither even nor random. Rather, it states that they are clustered in groups of billions of stars (what we call galaxies), which themselves are clustered into groups (what astronomers call galactic clusters), which in turn are in mega-groups (what we call superclusters).
To describe the stars as clustered together, both locally and in clusters of clusters, was far beyond the imagination and the telescopes of scientists until Edwin Hubble's famous photographs of Andromeda in the 1920s. Galactic clusters and superclusters have been described only in the past decade or so. Moreover, the Talmud states categorically that the number of galaxies in a cluster is about 30. And wouldn't you know it, astronomers today set the number of galaxies in our own local cluster at 30!
I have many more proofs that the Oral Law exists but that's enough for now.
I don't understand after reading this how someone can not believe in the Oral Law?
Also no-one has attempted to answer my first question on christianity on page 208, does anyone have an answer?