Review on doping within Cycling Australia

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Tinman said:
I agree with your reading 100% (I have some personal know how on Vets and PEDs dating back to the mid 80s) but was hoping there was some recent update on the GroPep/IGF story....

You are not the only one who wants an update.

Funny quote I see from Krebs was supplied. I did like a post of his from 3 weeks back. Spoke about what he'd like to see happen in the sport. Pretty much what I've been wanting. Was talking about a pure detection method for blood doping and how the science is there, the methodology just needs to be figured out and successfully verified. As far as I am concerned that is more important than a review.

Doping is sports is meh. I mean do people think alcohol and recreational drug abuse doesn't go on under your nose on a daily basis? Of course it does. I'd bet most high paid executives have some amphetamine addiction or use simply to get through the 60+ work hours per week they put in. Blackcat gives a link for one of the Subiaco wonder boys. Lots of money in Perth in various industries. I have no doubt that their former Captain left because the Weagles had major issues that went far beyond Ben Cousins demons.

The people behind most organisations know their friends and colleagues have drug problems and do squat. Eddie McGuire was rabbiting on about the Pies and the issues AFL has and how they are at the front of supporting players. That was this week. He can take that myopic PR garbage and shove it. They know how the game works. Don't attack your income source. Your competitive edge. Sportsmen are your biggest asset. It's about business and making money. Getting ahead, dominating, winning, beating the opposition, showing that you are the man. If true good is to prosper, then the BS needs to called out. The system most sports operate under protects the assets and hinders their ability to run clean. Dodginess is permitted as long as you perform. And then if you stray the media savy lackeys perform a hitman routine on your dirty laundry and attempt to purify it. No leaks equals no problem. They know the public are easily distracted by other less juicy things. They know the power of gullibility and work it like pros.

I found articles on this woman this week. Seriously I was perplexed. Strength coach to the Titans Rugby League team. Freelance and married to the CEO. All the talk is on her past. And no, it's not focused where it should be.

http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&r...Nm5qfPQadD9-Slbqg&sig2=JGub6HcM5YgGrMZkDLFTRw

Do a google picture search. This shows how people think. They focus on the wrong thing. Search for Kortney Olson and check the pictures of her out. How a woman can attain that figure is beyond me. I've seen hundreds of female fitness models. This chic has bigger guns that most seasoned guys in the gym. Female fitness nuts, the bikini division you'd see at an Arnolds or Olympia body building show are what I expected to see. Then I saw one pick and needed to see more. Scary. One group has a partial aesthetic desire, this...opposite end of the spectrum. Women get this way by doing everything one should not do. I see that and my first thought is there is a reason besides your husband you have a job as a strength coach to men in the NRL. Albeit a bad team, but still very strong and fit men. There is a difference between ripped and pure bulk muscle. Women do not get the latter unless they're on something. I don't care she was a pron star or had a recreational drug issue or that she is boinking the CEO and has a role on the team, I want to know why someone who is too big for a female is a strength coach in a professional sports team because at the end of the day she is dodgy, dodgy, dodgy in regards to doping

Get the point? These types of people are embedded in sports. Get rid of one and you solve almost nothing. A spade needs to be called a spade, but as long as the press can focus on who you shagged back in the day, albeit whether you did so for a buck, is of greater concern than the drugs or doping practices you are more than likely instilling on others. If you go to certain trainers in Sydney gyms they can show you the ropes. Sports teams are just better financed versions that lose the aesthetic focus. Most people don't register or click when they see this. And yet they're doing a review...almost pointless. Showmanship, nothing more.

At least I can laugh at the whole process. This stuff is what this review should be dealing with. Psychology is a major issue. Why certain personalities and persons are in pro sports. The obvious needs to be spoken. Many are there because they are enablers with doping experience. The types who say one thing to the press about how they believe in clean sport and then allow their minions, customers and followers to dope to keep up with the opposition. After all, that isn't really cheating is it?
 
Mar 13, 2009
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here she(?) is for you.

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blackcat said:
here she(?) is for you.

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Overheard some random at the gym talking to the owner yesterday about this chic. The random was thoroughly impressed. Mind you he was 50ish and very out of shape, but he was there doing something. It simply does not occur to them that this isn't normal. It's all conditioning and perception, abilities that have been built and fostered for a lifetime, working against them. Their brain patterns are not aligned to question, just accept. At least on doping. This is the norm with most people. BTW the trainer/owner is very fit. This chic is almost his build and he's been lifting for about 20 years.

The irony is I know an 18 year old guy who is pretty big who lives in the gym, but he's done it all clean. People who are younger and female or educated ironically see his pic and the first question I get asked tends to be "Is he on roids?" People who I know in the gym tend to only joke about drugs and people on roids as an item for friendly banter and to buff their egos. Something to bolster your motivation. I see it all the time in the fitness industry, maybe not specifically this, but on another cognitive cliche.

Then again the gym I go to has a poster of the Uniballer on the wall near the cycling room with wonderboy in his Postal gear and quote about not quitting. I laugh my **** off every time I see it. The day LA was charged, well the RPM class was gold. The point was raised and most didn't know what to think. That's the problem with this review. I think it is more of a token gesture, something to do to be seen doing something and then you pass the inevitable conclusion off to the public and they go "Yeah, sounds right" and go back to their shells. My friend was oddly enough in that class and he knows I know a ton about cycling and doping. I think he was quietly saying "Everyone should STFU before he gets going cause he won't stop.":p

This is just the core of the issue. People like this woman are in every major sport. Sure you get in for who you know a lot of the time, but it's what you know that keeps you there. Cycling is the same. The scope of what needs to be investigated IMO isn't being provided here. Need to clean the whole system out from the ground floor and then move upwards. Won't ever happen. This is simply tokenism. They'll do little to no real good with this investigation and that is the plan.
 
"In a season, he usually has time for three training camps – one early team camp in Denia, Spain, plus two high-altitude camps before, in between or after the Tour of Romandie and Criterium du Dauphine with one or two teammates in either the Sierra Nevada of Spain or the Pyrenees and Alps. The latter are based at locations he keeps secret to maintain privacy between his long mountain rides."

http://www.theage.com.au/sport/cycl...ummit-again-20130104-2c96t.html#ixzz2H798QquS
 
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This has all gone very quiet ... any news on what is going down ? Rumours of ASADA stepping up club level testing but no further big names have taken a dive yet ....
 
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timbat said:
This has all gone very quiet ... any news on what is going down ? Rumours of ASADA stepping up club level testing but no further big names have taken a dive yet ....

Anyone hear the rumour about ASADA doing tests at the recently held Melbourne Criterium Sprint Championships? Only testing the B Grade field?
 
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Spider1964 said:
Only testing the B Grade field?

Hmmm bust a few masters seems to be the priority then! Wonder if anyone legged it when the testing became apparent ? Sudden bout of nausea etc
 
thehog said:
& Sutton....

A report with recommendations - Fairfax Media has been told the document is about 100 pages in length - has been delivered to Australia's federal sports minister, Kate Lundy, and Cycling Australia.

It will be released and published online on Monday morning.

While Cycling Australia president Klaus Mueller would not elaborate on the topic at the end of the five-day national road championships in Ballarat on Sunday, he said the report ''gives us confidence about the future of the sport in Australia''.

The federal government-ordered review into Cycling Australia was first revealed by Fairfax Media in October after Matt White's sacking as national road coach.
A former pro rider, White was axed after his admission to doping when he was a teammate of Lance Armstrong's.

Cycling Australia was thrown into further turmoil when long-time board member and former pro rider Stephen Hodge resigned after confessing to doping.
It is understood the recommendations of Justice Wood, QC, the chairman of the NSW Reform Commission who was charged by Lundy and the Australian Sports Commission to undertake the review, are largely focused on governance.
Separate investigations, being conducted by the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority, are more likely to climax in the naming of names.

''We've seen the report,'' Mueller said of the document completed by Justice Wood.

''I think it gives us confidence about the future of the sport in Australia. And when read carefully I think it demonstrates that those who have investigated us carefully have seen that there is integrity in the program and that many of the recommendations are consistent with the views that we've put forward and things that we've been doing.

http://www.theage.com.au/sport/cycl...-confidence-20130113-2cnx3.html#ixzz2Hs9WjDRr
 
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Ferminal said:
Gerry Ryan revolutionising the sport.

http://www.afr.com/p/national/no_dopes_here_an_australian_sporting_Ym3JB3j12KmjhQoPmBx9DN

No dopes here: an Australian sporting record

Team owner Gerry Ryan has put a heavy emphasis on sports technology. Ryan spends about $400,000 a year on heat chamber training and wind-tunnel testing for the team... "We put a dummy of a rider on our bike in the wind tunnel and test on what the optimum position on the bike should be for the rider."

There has also been a lot of effort expended on rider nutrition. "You look at the sprinters now," says Ryan. "They used to be big and bulky, but not they are a lot leaner. The British have been leaders in this. Our riders have really stripped down this year and you look at someone like Matt Goss, who is a lot leaner. It's about making sure they eat the right things so they still have the same amount of energy to get through five or so hours of riding but won't have the same weight to carry up the mountains."
Ferm, did you delete my Skippy meme?

that was a classic post mate