goggalor said:
Whats he saying?
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goggalor said:
goggalor said:
The Hitch said:Whats he saying?
The Hitch said:Whats he saying?
roundabout said:For me it's not so much a question of Ricco being better or worse than his competition (even if it seems that way from the words I used), but more about another bit of insight about the current state of affairs in cycling and the motivation of a rider to dope when the penalty is now a lifetime (esentially) ban and he is possibly shunned by all the doping docs so the risk of testing positive is even greater.
The Hitch said:Whats he saying?
this is where i stand TODAY...Von Mises said:He is different - he got caught. And then he got caught second time. Btw, is it "no different than the others" very similar to Armstrong argument when he tried to convince Vaughters not to join Crédit Agricole. As it turned out and if we believe Vaughters, "they are all doing this" was a lie. CA was clean.
BotanyBay said:But the very website you're monitoring is publishing photos that are no more innocent than the one I just posted (and far more often). Do you not take the same offense to the material being posted by CN? If so, why continue?
goggalor said:
rhubroma said:And the second bit:
E ne ho viste tante e ne sò tante!!!! E quelli che fanno gli angioletti sono i peggio ve lo assicuro
And Iv’e seen much and I know a lot!!! And those who feign little angles are the worst, I can assure you…
18-Valve. (pithy) said:Remind me, who were his biggest critics again? This could be good.
python said:this is where i stand TODAY...
the lowest thing ricco did - that disgusts me to this day - was his deliberately fraudulent recruitment of the mortally ill anti doping dr. sassi...
he did EXACTLY what armstrong always did - no means are spared to get oneself ahead...not good in my book...higher matters should prevail when one's soul is left with a trace of dignity and morality !!
rhubroma said:It is, if anything else, remarkable the story of the cyclist Riccò: doped, disqualified, recidivist, kicked off the streets that he had raced as a protagonist. It's remarkable the blindness and the brazenness with which a kid, of little more than 20 years of age, lets slip away his own talent and races out of breath towards ruin. If we are able to understand what one such as Riccò has in his head, how and when he lost control, sense of limit and, along with these, reality itself; we will be able to understand something much more important about ourselves and way of life.
Our society is, and has been for quite some time by now, doped structurally. It is starting with the very foundations of our economic model: it’s doped on debt (public and private). It's doped on pharmaceuticals, on food, on commitments, on objectives to reach and delusions to avoid. It's doped on fanfare, on raucousness, on pace, on velocity, on insomnia, on every new desire and appetite, on work, on "derivatives" like busted financial profits. Those whom we call "dopers" are only the guinea-pigs (often voluntary) of a virus that will only be put to rest after it as infected the whole planet. The virus (which was already isolated by the ancients) of the frog that, to become an ox, stuffs itself until it explodes.
spalco said:More than naming other cyclists I would like Ricco to name the suppliers, doctors and other people who helped him dope.
Fetisoff said:Dude, had something bad for dinner tonight? Relax.
Nobody says it's "their" fault, but you have to be pretty blind not to realize that he was a great talent. Whatever happened to him, he's only done to himself, nobody would deny that either. So just relax.
spalco said:You're assuming Ricco's competitors were clean (or cleaner than him), which is speculative as well.
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Also, I don't think your anecdote is really relevant. What could this guy have taken other than something to numb the pain, which isn't directly performance-enhancing per se? Maybe he actually was much better than 200th, but a bit of a wimp.