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The Hitch said:
Whats he saying?

The first bit.

Adesso comincerò a parlare di tutto il marcio che ce nel ciclismo e di tutto quello che ho visto in questo falso mondo di ipocrit
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Now I’ll begin to talk about all that’s disgusting in cycling and about everything that I’ve seen in this false world of hypocrites.
 
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roundabout said:
For me it's not so much a question of Ricco being better or worse than his competition (even if it seems that way from the words I used), but more about another bit of insight about the current state of affairs in cycling and the motivation of a rider to dope when the penalty is now a lifetime (esentially) ban and he is possibly shunned by all the doping docs so the risk of testing positive is even greater.

I'd love to know why he did it. If he ever wrote an autobiography, or gave enough interviews for a biography (and it ended up in English), then I'd buy that. Just wonder what was going through his head - he knew that no-one was going to protect him this time.
 
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Von Mises said:
He is different - he got caught. And then he got caught second time. Btw, is it "no different than the others" very similar to Armstrong argument when he tried to convince Vaughters not to join Crédit Agricole. As it turned out and if we believe Vaughters, "they are all doing this" was a lie. CA was clean.
this is where i stand TODAY...

the lowest thing ricco did - that disgusts me to this day - was his deliberately fraudulent recruitment of the mortally ill anti doping dr. sassi...

he did EXACTLY what armstrong always did - no means are spared to get oneself ahead...not good in my book...higher matters should prevail when one's soul is left with a trace of dignity and morality !!
 
BotanyBay said:
But the very website you're monitoring is publishing photos that are no more innocent than the one I just posted (and far more often). Do you not take the same offense to the material being posted by CN? If so, why continue?

I do the job I am paid to do.

This is off-topic for this thread. No further discussion here, please.

Thank you.

Susan
 
goggalor said:

Dito.
I disliked his guts from the moment I first saw him turn a crank, but I'd love to hear his tell-all.

Seems he's been the brave little omerta trooper they've asked him to be, but he was too bouncy to control. Now it got him caught, and the clouds are dissolving over his head. Perhaps he should hang out with Floyd, save himself a few errors of his own, take a shorter path to peace of mind.
 
python said:
this is where i stand TODAY...

the lowest thing ricco did - that disgusts me to this day - was his deliberately fraudulent recruitment of the mortally ill anti doping dr. sassi...

he did EXACTLY what armstrong always did - no means are spared to get oneself ahead...not good in my book...higher matters should prevail when one's soul is left with a trace of dignity and morality !!

It is, if anything else, remarkable the story of the cyclist Riccò: doped, disqualified, recidivist, kicked off the streets that he had raced as a protagonist. It's remarkable the blindness and the brazenness with which a kid, of little more than 20 years of age, lets slip away his own talent and races out of breath towards ruin. If we are able to understand what one such as Riccò has in his head, how and when he lost control, sense of limit and, along with these, reality itself; we will be able to understand something much more important about ourselves and way of life.

Our society is, and has been for quite some time by now, doped structurally. It is starting with the very foundations of our economic model: it’s doped on debt (public and private). It's doped on pharmaceuticals, on food, on commitments, on objectives to reach and delusions to avoid. It's doped on fanfare, on raucousness, on pace, on velocity, on insomnia, on every new desire and appetite, on work, on "derivatives" like busted financial profits. Those whom we call "dopers" are only the guinea-pigs (often voluntary) of a virus that will only be put to rest after it as infected the whole planet. The virus (which was already isolated by the ancients) of the frog that, to become an ox, stuffs itself until it explodes.
 
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rhubroma said:
It is, if anything else, remarkable the story of the cyclist Riccò: doped, disqualified, recidivist, kicked off the streets that he had raced as a protagonist. It's remarkable the blindness and the brazenness with which a kid, of little more than 20 years of age, lets slip away his own talent and races out of breath towards ruin. If we are able to understand what one such as Riccò has in his head, how and when he lost control, sense of limit and, along with these, reality itself; we will be able to understand something much more important about ourselves and way of life.

Our society is, and has been for quite some time by now, doped structurally. It is starting with the very foundations of our economic model: it’s doped on debt (public and private). It's doped on pharmaceuticals, on food, on commitments, on objectives to reach and delusions to avoid. It's doped on fanfare, on raucousness, on pace, on velocity, on insomnia, on every new desire and appetite, on work, on "derivatives" like busted financial profits. Those whom we call "dopers" are only the guinea-pigs (often voluntary) of a virus that will only be put to rest after it as infected the whole planet. The virus (which was already isolated by the ancients) of the frog that, to become an ox, stuffs itself until it explodes.

Well said Rhub.
 
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Ricco wants to speak about doping in cycling, he says..
Should be interesting. Jaksche and Sinkewitz did, but wanted to come back.
He won´t come back and is angry, I guess he will tell a lot...
 
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Its either Ricco doesnt say anything or he'll spill all it on the table, either of those two seeing theres no way back once he has started.
 
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spalco said:
More than naming other cyclists I would like Ricco to name the suppliers, doctors and other people who helped him dope.

I guess whatever he says won´t change a lot.
The names of the common doctors are well-known, and no one has stopped them, not even Ferrari.

Ricco had a bright future ahead of him, winning the Tour and Giro as well as winning races like Lombardia or Liege was absolutely possible in his career. Given the fame and the amount of money he will never achieve for being banned now for 12 years, he will be angry like few others having been caught in the past. Furthermore, he is quite a show man with a big mouth, and will have sadistic pleasure to name riders.

It´s now, anyways, the time of most media attention for Italian cycling, with the Giro starting in two weeks.
So he´ll have maximum attention, which he likes a lot.
 
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I'm not sure who Ricco will name, if anyone. He may bring down some of his former Saunier Duval teammates though, which could cause quite a fallout there with guys like Cobo and De La Fuente potentially involved in doping there. However, Ricco being Ricco you have to take everything he says with a pinch of salt.
 
Fetisoff said:
Dude, had something bad for dinner tonight? Relax.
Nobody says it's "their" fault, but you have to be pretty blind not to realize that he was a great talent. Whatever happened to him, he's only done to himself, nobody would deny that either. So just relax.

I am very puzzled by your reply.
Dude, had something bad for dinner tonight?

I would have thought that the tone of my writing showed that I was in a rather good mood, ready to joke and poke fun at an absolute idiot.

but you have to be pretty blind not to realize that he was a great talent.

I wonder what sort of evidence you have that he was such a talent. We all know how post 1990 pharmacy can transform a just decent donkey into a winning race horse. Prove to me that Ricco was more than just a fast donkey.

In the early 60's, I once witnessed the effect of medicine on an average cyclist. In Brittany at the time there were about 2500 competing cyclists. The guy I am talking about would probably have been somewhere around the 200th place in his normal state.

I saw him one particular day about 1 or 2 hours after he had won the biggest race of that week-end in Brittany, ahead of the best amateur racers not only of Brittany but also of Normandy ( there were likely a few of them who later turned pro)as the race was near Normandy and the prize list was quite attractive. The guy didn't know where he was, was unable to talk, just in a daze, staring without seeing anything.

But that donkey had won and that was in the 60's. Obviously a pro couldn't take the same products and find himself on the podium unable to answer a single question or know where he was.

Considering the extreme to which Ricco was willing to go in order to win, I tend to believe that his whole career was a fraud, that without his dope he would never have won anything.
 
You're assuming Ricco's competitors were clean (or cleaner than him), which is speculative as well. So while his having been caught gives some credibility to that assumption, his having been not just stronger, but dominatingly stronger than most others at his best also suggests he did have pure talent, dope or not.

Also, I don't think your anecdote is really relevant. What could this guy have taken other than something to numb the pain, which isn't directly performance-enhancing per se? Maybe he actually was much better than 200th, but a bit of a wimp.
 
spalco said:
You're assuming Ricco's competitors were clean (or cleaner than him), which is speculative as well.
......
Also, I don't think your anecdote is really relevant. What could this guy have taken other than something to numb the pain, which isn't directly performance-enhancing per se? Maybe he actually was much better than 200th, but a bit of a wimp.

I am just looking at the evidence, Ricco couldn't find a Dr willing to help him with auto-transfusion, too dumb to evaluate the risks of the procedure and willing to take all the chances to do it by himself in his kitchen.

He is in a category by himself, well, you might also put De las Cuevas in the same category, but not, say, even Armstrong or Pantani.

As for my 1960's "friend", I raced against him often enough in those days to evaluate his true worth as a cyclist when he was less pumped up with medicines and looked "normal". The Dr who doped him (and others) eventually lost his license a few years later.
 
Well, I guess I'll just have to take your word for that, seeing as you obviously have infinitely more personal experience with that stuff than me (since I've never raced a bike at all ;)). I still don't think you can turn a donkey into a Ricco just with drugs though, I think you need a good horse as the base to do that.
 

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