Ricco

[Vino attacks everyone]

Hope it will be televised, this kind of attempt have the potential to be the hour record of the 21th century.
I'm really looking forward to see the outfit he will ride in.

lol, yea. This record attemt has indeed a mixture of awesomeness, and the blatant "**** you" to the rest of the cycling world that makes this intriguing indeed.

 

[thehog]

Hope it will be televised, this kind of attempt have the potential to be the hour record of the 21th century.
I'm really looking forward to see the outfit he will ride in.

I agree. Drag racing up Ventoux.

I would get a twilight attempt with rent-a-crowd.

Get the music pumping, beer flowing, dancing girls.

Will be a great show.

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

I agree. Drag racing up Ventoux.

I would get a twilight attempt with rent-a-crowd.

Get the music pumping, beer flowing, dancing girls.

Will be a great show.

Yea! Lets do it!!

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Actually gullible people like him are the problem. Those are the people the sport relies on to sponge up the excuses, dodges, and outright lies. Those are the people who are targeted when a rider says he gave into temptation once (long ago) and then stopped. Those are the people who all this "new age" of cycling BS is designed for.

As well as being an ad hominem it is also unfair.

I am sure even the most sceptical at one time believed the lie's - that is not their fault, it is the system that encourages it and covers it up.
The gullible can be educated or have the myths exposed and when that happens most don't follow the sport.

I have more contempt for those who relish a drag race by a a guy who is obviously vulnerable.

 

[martinvickers]

So the riders who come back from a ban are expected to compete clean against all the others who are still doping? Are you smoking the same wacky weed Vickers on or is it something in Irish water?

Yes. They are. Of course they are.

Are you encouraging doping now??


And if they can't stomach that possiblity, get out of the sport and find something less painful to do.

 

[martinvickers]

What exactly would a "repentant" doper look like anyway? Someone who says "it was only once, a long time ago (before the SOL) I am really sorry (I got caught/outed), it was a mistake, I am clean now"?

Someone who admits what the did, co-operates fully, including ratting people out with WADA, takes their ban and then tries to race clean.

Bascially David Millar, except we have no way, of course, of knowing if that is actually Millar or it's a facade. But that is what the repentant doper SHOULD do, regardless of whether it convinces people.

 

[Netserk]

Someone who admits what the did, co-operates fully, including ratting people out with WADA, takes their ban and then tries to race clean.

So Michael Rasmussen is a repentant doper? How many (few) others fit that description?

 

[thehog]

Someone who admits what the did, co-operates fully, including ratting people out with WADA, takes their ban and then tries to race clean.

Bascially David Millar, except we have no way, of course, of knowing if that is actually Millar or it's a facade. But that is what the repentant doper SHOULD do, regardless of whether it convinces people.

Jailbird Millar who only doped 3 times and left the vials on his mantelpiece as a painful reminder of where he went wrong?

That guy. He let Gaurmont take a big fall for his and O'Grady's actions.

He denied, denied and denied.

Took the police to sort out that boy. And a 800k tax debt.

 

[martinvickers]

Jailbird Millar who only doped 3 times and left the vials on his mantelpiece as a painful reminder of where he went wrong?

That guy. He let Gaurmont take a big fall for his and O'Grady's actions.

He denied, denied and denied.

Took the police to sort out that boy. And a 800k tax debt.

Hence the point about facade.

 

[thehog]

Hence the point about facade.

Agreed.

My take is tha its such a hard subject to define good vs evil.

Of course Armstrong is the king of evil.

But the pro cycling world was (is) soaked in dope. Bottom up, top down.

A lot of guys got caught up. A lot of people who couldn't do much else or knew nothing else but bike riding.

In Italy you either become a plumber, work in your fathers restaurant or ride a bike.

Or maybe play football.

In England if you're crap at bike riding or give it a shot and fail you can fall back to a normal world.

In Italy there's not the sports academies or lottery funding that are in UK or Australia. You have provincial teams sponsored by a local pizza place and concrete manufacturer.

Those racers are fairly big day out. Run on circuit with the whole town attending. Doping thrives as does gambling on the riders.

Different ethos on sports and ethics. Ricco was part of this system. They wanted him to be the next Pantani.

A conflicted and confused nation.

Don't be so hard on him. Without Cipolinni he'd probably be dead by now or not able to care do his son.

I like him. And I'm not so enamoured by the Garmin guys making an industry out of glossy dogooder confessions.

At the end of the day the kings, the queens and pawns go back in the same box.

 

[del1962]

Once again Vickers' ridiculous hypocrisy is exposed.

people like this are part of the problem. They are the ones that support the scapegoating of riders to protect the dirty reality of the sport. Without them the sport would have to deal with the problem instead of treating it as an exercise in fooling the rubes.

Actually its not vickers hypocracy thats exposed, but yours

 

[martinvickers]

Agreed.

My take is tha its such a hard subject to define good vs evil.

Of course Armstrong is the king of evil.

But the pro cycling world was (is) soaked in dope. Bottom up, top down.

A lot of guys got caught up. A lot of people who couldn't do much else or knew nothing else but bike riding.

In Italy you either become a plumber, work in your fathers restaurant or ride a bike.

Or maybe play football.

In England if you're crap at bike riding or give it a shot and fail you can fall back to a normal world.

In Italy there's not the sports academies or lottery funding that are in UK or Australia. You have provincial teams sponsored by a local pizza place and concrete manufacturer.

Those racers are fairly big day out. Run on circuit with the whole town attending. Doping thrives as does gambling on the riders.

Different ethos on sports and ethics. Ricco was part of this system. They wanted him to be the next Pantani.

A conflicted and confused nation.

Don't be so hard on him. Without Cipolinni he'd probably be dead by now or not able to care do his son.

I like him. And I'm not so enamoured by the Garmin guys making an industry out of glossy dogooder confessions.

At the end of the day the kings, the queens and pawns go back in the same box.

that's an intersing take on it. I'll mull that over.

 

[thehog]

that's an intersing take on it. I'll mull that over.

Wiggins is Ricco.

Just on a different angle.

 

[GuyIncognito]

Actually its not vickers hypocracy thats exposed, but yours

What's a hypocracy?
A system of government where hippos hold the power?

 

[martinvickers]

Wiggins is Ricco.

Just on a different angle.

Ah, Hog, now your just playing the lig

 

[thehog]

Ah, Hog, now your just playing the lig

Not really. I just mean atitude. Wiggins and Ricco both highly motivated riders.

But they really couldn't give a rats **** about what people think.

They talk in riddles.

Wiggins has to say nice things now and then and he really doesn't enjoy it.

He's just grumpy.

If Wiggo got busted he'd be Ricco. He sorta was with all that love for Lance. He just didn't care what people thought.

That's what I mean.

Arrogante in Italian is a compliment. Maybe not so much in Britian.

 

[martinvickers]

Not really. I just mean atitude. Wiggins and Ricco both highly motivated riders.

But they really couldn't give a rats **** about what people think.

They talk in riddles.

Wiggins has to say nice things now and then and he really doesn't enjoy it.

He's just grumpy.

If Wiggo got busted he'd be Ricco. He sorta was with all that love for Lance. He just didn't care what people thought.

That's what I mean.

Arrogante in Italian is a compliment. Maybe not so much in Britian.

As I've said before, the only constant thing about Wiggo is he get's ****ed off with whoever or whatever is giving him a headache at that moment. Doper makes his life hard (cofidis?) - "bl**dy dopers". Lance is nice to him "lovely lance" - lance's crap makes his life hard "bl**dy lance" - fans hail him (2009) - love the fans - fans turn on him a bit in 2012 "bl**dy fans, a**eholes"

I think he likes the kudos of winning the tour. Not sure he actually respects the race (see Giro 2013 for examples) - poor man is probably happiest wheeling on wooden circles.

I think he's annoyed that his life is made harder by Oprah - i'm not sure he gives a d*** otherwise.

Bit of a pr!ck, really. We all know the type.

 

[BroDeal]

Actually its not vickers hypocracy thats exposed, but yours

Hey, look. It's Sky doping apologist #1 complaining about "hypocracy".

 

[The Hitch]

As I've said before, the only constant thing about Wiggo is he get's ****ed off with whoever or whatever is giving him a headache at that moment. Doper makes his life hard (cofidis?) - "bl**dy dopers". Lance is nice to him "lovely lance" - lance's crap makes his life hard "bl**dy lance" - fans hail him (2009) - love the fans - fans turn on him a bit in 2012 "bl**dy fans, a**eholes"
.

Yet another wiggins apologist carefully euphemising what Wiggins did.

No, it wasn't that he said "I love Lance" (though he did say that).

He went after someone, in public, who he knew was telling the truth in order to shut them up and stop them from exposing doping.

That isn't saying you like someone off cuff because they were nice to you. That is intimidation and Omerta, hardcore Omerta, pure and simple.

Oh and btw, was Contador also nice to him, when he said its an honour to be on the same road as him

 

[martinvickers]

Yet another wiggins apologist carefully euphemising what Wiggins did.

No, it wasn't that he said "I love Lance" (though he did say that).

He went after someone, in public, who he knew was telling the truth in order to shut them up and stop them from exposing doping.

That isn't saying you like someone off cuff because they were nice to you. That is intimidation and Omerta, hardcore Omerta, pure and simple.

Oh and btw, was Contador also nice to him, when he said its an honour to be on the same road as him

How about we make a deal?

You actually read what I wrote, rather than what you wished i'd wrote, and i'll consider taking you seriously, m'kay?

 

[Hugh Januss]

Hey, look. It's Sky doping apologist #1 complaining about "hypocracy".

Is that anything like Idiocracy?

 

[Hugh Januss]

So Michael Rasmussen is a repentant doper? How many (few) others fit that description?

Landis and Hamilton and and .......uhm, well that's about it, and even they had to be backed into a corner before they came clean (so to speak).

 

[pastronef]

Who is worse for the sport?

1) A rider who gets caught but refuses to pretend he is sorry for doing what everyone else in the sport was doing.
2) A rider who gets caught and tells the public a BS sob story about he chose the wrong path.
3) A rider who dopes outrageously, does not get caught, and publicly expresses faux outrage about doping.

1) Ricco
2) Hesjedal
3) Froome

^
this

I'm not a clinic follower , but the last 2 days reading the Clinic here and the Dark Side on VeloRooms have opened my eyes more than I thought I would...

I would add a rider who just signed for Astana, without anyone of all the journos blasting Ryder, blinking an eye

 

[Ferminal]

Stuart O'Grady is a better bloke than Ricco because he was only caught for one of the fifteen years he was doping.

 

[thehog]

Stuart O'Grady is a better bloke than Ricco because he was only caught for one of the fifteen years he was doping.

Jens Voight is awesome and much better than Ricco because he buried his booty in 1998 and the his one positive test was lost.