Richard Virenque

[riobonito92]

How about this for a theory:

When Virenque returned to racing he did not dope for a couple of years because he was on small teams and couldn't afford a scandal and was still paying pennance. This would have also coincided with the hypothesized gap in organized team doping (viz Pevebage) in Europe. However, by 2003 (team) doping was once again widespread, Virenque returned to doping and, being a good responder, began to win frequently again.

 

[Willy_Voet]

I think he did everything in the books at Festina. Post-Festina I think he played it safe, not touching the easily testable stuff and sticking with autologous blood transfusions.

For those years, I doubt the knowledge of microdosing EPO was widespread, so he probably had to earn his red blood cells the old fashioned way, the used them for just 2 or 3 big races.

He was much less consistent, but could still put on a show. His Paris-Tours victory was incredibly suspicious in my eyes (rode on 'pure courage' or something like that...)

 

[dbrower]

Actually, it is a fact that Lance DID ride cleaner than many top pros.

Floyd revealed that Lance stopped using EPO while many other top pros continued to use.

No, Floyd said that Lance had stopped using EPO in the way that could be detected by the tests in 2002. He didn't say anything about EPO use later, or intravenous EPO use, which seems to have developed as the way around the test developed by LNDD for subcetaneous injections, which was the "normal" and expected EPO use model.

-dB

 

[Realist]

I don't believe for a minute that Lance raced cleaner than any other top pro, and I am well familiar with your examples. But they are neither official positives, and there were no sanctions. This is actual, and official history, despite what we all think we know.

It depends what you mean by tested positive. If you mean his samples were tested, and then the test results were positive, then he tested positive. The words tested positive do not imply (i) that the test was official or (ii) that a sanction resulted. Further legal calisthenics not withstanding.

 

[Realist]

Wow, that was a long read. I'm surprised you got through it. So what's to dispute? Looks pretty conclusive to me.

So now, since you obsession with him is "hors categorie", I am sure that you can tell us what the sanctions against Armstrong were. I can't seem to find any.

You are completely full of it and likely trolling. Noone said he was sanctioned. They said he tested positive. Now, if someone has a sample tested, and that test has a positive result, did they test positive?

You can have some thinking time if you want.

 

[Realist]

How the hell did this threas get on the Armstrong? Get back in topic. What do people think about Virenque? Did he dope again? Just a smaller programme with less money?

How on earth would any of us know?

 

[VeloFidelis]

we're REALLY going to make the new standard of guilt whether or not someone received sanctions? really?

just to be clear, by this standard:

-OJ Simpson never killed anyone
-Jonbenet's parents are totally nice people
-Richard Nixon is not a crook
-Bill Clinton was monogamous
-Ken Lay was an honest businessman
....

i'll take a break for now. let me know if you need any more.

Yikes! Where to start?

Yes, O.J. was found innocent by a jury good citizens like yourself, so legally he is not guilty.

Your opinion on Jonbenet's parents is subjective and unsupported by facts, but you are welcome to it.

Richard Nixon's Presidential pardon from Jerry Ford pretty much says it all.

Bill Clinton admitted infidelity on Larry King before ever being elected President so what's your point?

And Ken Lay was convicted

You need a break to go check your facts.

And, oh yeah... Lance Armstrong is both a doper and an ***, but he has never "officially" failed a drug test.

 

[Steel4Ever]

And, oh yeah... Lance Armstrong is both a doper and an ***...

Wow.

I get shut down and yellow carded for saying Ricco's crash was karma induced, and you full on accuse LA of hardcore cheating and illegalities (isn't that slander in the real world?) without a shred of proof...and...I hear crickets...

Guess we can't take the mods too seriously around here.
Guess it's also just a free-for-all crap shoot as to what passes and what fails.

So...might as well go for broke and accuse everyone of everything all the time!

The mods are karma doping.



And they killed JFK.




p.s. -- tricky d!ck mainlined helium since his 8th birthday party.

 

[BroDeal]

Wow.

I get shut down and yellow carded for saying Ricco's crash was karma induced, and you full on accuse LA of hardcore cheating and illegalities (isn't that slander in the real world?) without a shred of proof...and...I hear crickets...
...
So...might as well go for broke and accuse everyone of everything all the time!

The mods are karma doping.

And they killed JFK.

No, Bubba Ho-Tep killed JFK.

There is more than enough evidence that Armstrong is a doper and a fraud. Don't make me use my stuff on you, baby.

 

[Steel4Ever]

No, Bubba Ho-Tep killed JFK.

One of the worst...or best...movies of all-time.
Still haven't made up my mind.

There is more than enough evidence that Armstrong is a doper and a fraud. Don't make me use my stuff on you, baby.

Wazzat? Pharmstrong stuffs baby powder?!?
Guess it's just not working this Tour...yet...

 

[Realist]

Wow.

I get shut down and yellow carded for saying Ricco's crash was karma induced, and you full on accuse LA of hardcore cheating and illegalities (isn't that slander in the real world?) without a shred of proof...and...I hear crickets...

Guess we can't take the mods too seriously around here.
Guess it's also just a free-for-all crap shoot as to what passes and what fails.

So...might as well go for broke and accuse everyone of everything all the time!

The mods are karma doping.



And they killed JFK.




p.s. -- tricky d!ck mainlined helium since his 8th birthday party.

Probably the mods fact check more than you

 

[Anonymous]

One of the worst...or best...movies of all-time.
Still haven't made up my mind.

Really, definitely one of the best. Freaking HILARIOUS movie!

 

[Steel4Ever]

Probably the mods fact check more than you

Fact check on all the LA et al doping?

Wow.
Maybe the mods should mail in all their "fact" to the UCI and Interpol and just end the whole thing!

 

[Le breton]

Do people think Virenque rode clean when he came back?......
QUOTE]

Is the Pope catholic?

 

[Realist]

Fact check on all the LA et al doping?

Wow.
Maybe the mods should mail in all their "fact" to the UCI and Interpol and just end the whole thing!

No need it's already largely public

 

[laziali]

This is great ... read below ... VeloFidelis just got OWNED by kurtinsc (to use the language of the 'net).

I love revisionist history as much as the next guy. So please tell us exactly when did Armstrong officially test positive, and what was the length his UCI suspension???

And please, after you exhaust all the inane "Fanboy" bulls!t, try and actually answer the question.

His '99 samples tested positive well after the fact. The test was legitimate and official... but not binding for suspensions and such.

I beleive he tested positive for a corticosteroid as well... but got a TUE after the fact to excuse the test.

It's okay to not hate Lance but still admit he was doping. I don't think anyone in recent memory finished in the top 5 of the tour without some medicinal help.

 

[Morgazano]

Yeah they must of been "official" and "legitimate" if L'Equipe says so.....

 

[VeloCity]

I don't believe for a minute that Lance raced cleaner than any other top pro, and I am well familiar with your examples. But they are neither official positives, and there were no sanctions. This is actual, and official history, despite what we all think we know.

What does it freakin' matter if it's an "official" positive or not? Does it make an athlete any less of a doper?

 

[Polish]

No, Floyd said that Lance had stopped using EPO in the way that could be detected by the tests in 2002. He didn't say anything about EPO use later, or intravenous EPO use, which seems to have developed as the way around the test developed by LNDD for subcetaneous injections, which was the "normal" and expected EPO use model.

-dB

You are right.

Floyd did not say anything about witnessing Lance's "EPO use later, or intravenous EPO use, which seems to have developed as the way around the test developed by LNDD for subcetaneous injections"

Floyd did not see any of that.

Curious though...do YOU think Lance continued to use EPO after the test was developed?

Will you be suprised (or maybe disappointed?) to learn that Lance stopped using EPO while many other riders, maybe even Virenque, continued to use?

EPO transformed Lance? That Myth is crumbling....thanks to Floyd

 

[Benotti69]

Will you be suprised (or maybe disappointed?) to learn that Lance stopped using EPO while many other riders, maybe even Virenque, continued to use?

EPO transformed Lance. Thankfully.

how do you know he stopped?

 

[Polish]

how do you know he stopped?

I believe Floyd.

Heck, I still think Floyd won the 2006 TdF.

 

[Christian]

Où il y a de la gêne, il n'y a pas de plaisir...

(where there is shame, there is no fun)

Richard Virenque to star in a new commercial for Festina Watches

Richard Virenque will be the star of a commercial for Festina Watches during the 100th Tour de France. Contacted by cyclism'actu, he said himself "surprised at the parallel that certain newspaper establish with the 1998 affair. It seems to me that this is in the past, no?"

http://www.cyclismactu.net/news-divers-richard-virenque-fait-de-la-pub-pour-festina-30851.html

 

[kingjr]

Typical.





10chars

 

[coinneach]

Où il y a de la gêne, il n'y a pas de plaisir...

(where there is shame, there is no fun)

Richard Virenque to star in a new commercial for Festina Watches

Richard Virenque will be the star of a commercial for Festina Watches during the 100th Tour de France. Contacted by cyclism'actu, he said himself "surprised at the parallel that certain newspaper establish with the 1998 affair. It seems to me that this is in the past, no?"

http://www.cyclismactu.net/news-divers-richard-virenque-fait-de-la-pub-pour-festina-30851.html

This is brilliant news for pro cycling!

It means that any sponsor worried about possible negative publicity if they become associated with a drug bust can know that in the long run, it'll probably do them good!
So there'll be lots more money coming into cycling & the pro-teams!

On the other hand, the message the sponsors will be giving their teams

 

[ElChingon]

Some people (or is it you people ), need to realize its all about the money and to the moon with ethics/morals. No matter how much people say its for the love of the sport, in the end its all about the money.

Prove me wrong. I have history of this whole thing on my side.

Dicky V might get a few French housewives to buy a new watch for their wannabe cyclist partner.