Richie Porte Discussion Thread.

[darwin553]

I hope he gets a release early from his contract with Sky to be able to join the likes of BMC or Greenedge. The longer he stays at Sky the longer his results will suffer from the team structure of putting Froome first.

 

[roundabout]

They have not really suffered so far. What makes you think they will in the future?

 

[The Hitch]

By Sky's own propaganda Porte wont be able to challenge on another team, since those other teams don't do all the marginal gains stuff hence he wont perform as he is as Sky.

 

[Ferminal]

Unzue is already catching up and Tinkov is on the ball too judging by what he said the other day. Within three years I expect all marginal gains to be neutralised.

Besides GreenEdge could really use some advice on how to make climbers.

 

[karlboss]

Unzue is already catching up and Tinkov is on the ball too judging by what he said the other day. Within three years I expect all marginal gains to be neutralised.

Besides GreenEdge could really use some advice on how to make climbers.

Completely agree with your first statement, but to filter through to some other teams may take a little more time.

Greenedge need to buy climbers, not make them, where is an example of climber being made? Ok I got a few, Wiggins, Froome, Porte, Indurain, and Armstrong. I suspect I missed a few.

 

[greenedge]

Porte had only just came into the sport- then aced in his first year.

OGE have Santamorita, Clarke, Gerrans, Weening, and Chaves...

 

[karlboss]

Porte had only just came into the sport- then aced in his first year.

OGE have Santamorita, Clarke, Gerrans, Weening, and Chaves...

Chaves may yet prove to be a great climber, weening has probably climbed better with OGE than he ever has before, Gerrans, Clarke and Santamorita are not climbers in that if you had a serious contender for the Tour you'd not expect any of them to be much help on a MTF.

Porte was a good climber at domestic level, but then all WT level riders are. I'd definitely say he's a TTer come climber and it is only at Sky he's climbed with the best and it's quite the step up from 2012 to 2013.

 

[42x16ss]

Porte had only just came into the sport- then aced in his first year.

OGE have Santamorita, Clarke, Gerrans, Weening, and Chaves...

No, Porte went from two seasons as a decent NRS climber, to solid pro in what, 3 years? Then from solid climber to world class in another two.

Of the OGE names you listed, only Chaves is close to a top climber. Santamorita is ok on his day, as is Clarke but neither are going to mix things up on GT GC.

IF OGE can get Dennis, Morton and Porte when their contracts are up things will be a little different though.

 

[LaFlorecita]

I want more money.

Don't we all

 

[Gloin22]

Porte had only just came into the sport- then aced in his first year.

OGE have Santamorita, Clarke, Gerrans, Weening, and Chaves...

None of them are pure climbers bar Chaves who is still to prove his worth tough..

 

[greenedge]

Ok, i backtrack.

Those riders have all won good quality races so they should be able to be solid in stage races/ help a bit in a GT. However i do see your points...
Add to the list of riders Cam Meyer too.

You guys are also right about Porte's development- but looking at results only his (7th) indicated he could go well.

 

[42x16ss]

Not entirely, Porte had a solid second half of 2010, with good showings at Romandie, San Sebastian, Eneco, Britain and World TT's. Nothing to show that he'd turn into the world class climber he is now - but solid.

 

[karlboss]

Not entirely, Porte had a solid second half of 2010, with good showings at Romandie, San Sebastian, Eneco, Britain and World TT's. Nothing to show that he'd turn into the world class climber he is now - but solid.

Indicitive of good form, not so much of good climbing potential.

 

[Ferminal]

After the San Seb-ENECO-Britain run I was thinking he would be a handy puncheur and should have had a big crack at the Ardennes.

 

[42x16ss]

Me too. I was thinking Gerrans/Gilbert/Kolobnev with a very good TT to boot. Not a world class climber but still having the tools to be a very solid pro.

 

[42x16ss]

Indicitive of good form, not so much of good climbing potential.

IMO it was indicative of classics potential, like Ferminal said. Potential to be a good rider isn't restricted to the high mountains.

I do agree that there was nothing that showed Porte would become the climber he is today though - that's why I said so earlier .

 

[movingtarget]

Nothing indicated that Cobo would win the Vuelta or Hejesdal would win the Giro and De Gendt finishing third or Kreuziger winning Amstel or Horner winning the Vuelta or Gerrans would win MSR and the list goes on and on. Porte never had many opportunities before outside of domestique duties but he always had talent. Last year he got the chance at Paris Nice and other races. I don't think his rise has been alarming next to many other riders including some of the Colombians. Just because domestiques work for others it doesn't mean they can't be competitive when they get the opportunities. A lot of riders don't cope with the stress of being team leader. Porte looks to have a good chance in the Giro but only time will tell.

 

[Cimber]

Would love to see him at Orica

 

[Ruudz0r]

Porte had already shown in Australia that he was the real deal (so before he turned pro).
He only started cycling at the age of 21 (he did thriathlon before, so he already did some cycling). But it was pretty amazing how he did in his first years as a "real" cyclist in Australia.
Because of the thriathlon background he was mainly a time trialist when he started riding his bike full time. But especially in 2008 and 2009 (the 2 years before he turned pro with Saxo) he was already showing his climbing potential.

Here you can see him win 2 hard stages (+ GC) in the Tour of Tasmania and dont forget he was only a cyclist for 2-3 years at that moment.

for example http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_ZgobjFM0c

 

[Parrulo]

In the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king

Mollema started cycling late (19), do you know what race he won at 21?

The Tour de L'Avennir.

That's how you show talent, not at the Tour the Tasmania

 

[EnacheV]

In the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king

Mollema started cycling late (19), do you know what race he won at 21?

The Tour de L'Avennir.

That's how you show talent, not at the Tour the Tasmania

and people wonder about some guy who started at 22 after riding with lions.

but i get it, nobody at sky has any talent.

P.S. the 22 lion guy beat Mollema, the talented one, in his first pro year, after riding with giraffes as training.

 

[LaFlorecita]

and people wonder about some guy who started at 22 after riding with lions.

but i get it, nobody at sky has any talent.

P.S. the 22 lion guy beat Mollema, the talented one, in his first pro year, after riding with giraffes as training.

He did not start cycling at 22.

 

[theyoungest]

and people wonder about some guy who started at 22 after riding with lions.

but i get it, nobody at sky has any talent.

P.S. the 22 lion guy beat Mollema, the talented one, in his first pro year, after riding with giraffes as training.

At what did he beat Mollema? Chess?

Porte had already shown in Australia that he was the real deal (so before he turned pro).
He only started cycling at the age of 21 (he did thriathlon before, so he already did some cycling). But it was pretty amazing how he did in his first years as a "real" cyclist in Australia.
Because of the thriathlon background he was mainly a time trialist when he started riding his bike full time. But especially in 2008 and 2009 (the 2 years before he turned pro with Saxo) he was already showing his climbing potential.

Here you can see him win 2 hard stages (+ GC) in the Tour of Tasmania and dont forget he was only a cyclist for 2-3 years at that moment.

for example http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_ZgobjFM0c

Well, yeah... but that was against Peter Climbslikeaturd and Andrew Cantclimbforsh.t. And Jack Bobridge, who we all know can't climb.

 

[Parrulo]

and people wonder about some guy who started at 22 after riding with lions.

but i get it, nobody at sky has any talent.

P.S. the 22 lion guy beat Mollema, the talented one, in his first pro year, after riding with giraffes as training.

Stop trolling.

At what did he beat Mollema? Chess?


Well, yeah... but that was against Peter Climbslikeaturd and Andrew Cantclimbforsh.t. And Jack Bobridge, who we all know can't climb.

I will post a video of me trashing my friends on our bike rides, maybe someone will think i am a great talent and will sign me for big bucks

 

[roundabout]

At what did he beat Mollema? Chess?


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