Richie Porte - what do we know about him?

[hfer07]

Apart from what is becoming so evident on Porte's new found skills- I can only say the key to all this is the entire "doping umbrella" that Sky is covering them with---just look at the last K of climbing in any race they take part and no matter if is Wiggo, Froome or Porte- they just "mastered" the US Postal mantra- which was to asphyxiate everyone with a nasty tempo & "somehow" have the "legs" to finish it off afterwards......

I has really sick today watching Porte doing such ridiculous performance

 

[cineteq]

He's become Lance. He even looks like him.

His current physique is very similar to Armstrong's. 2 + 2 = ?

 

[Dazed and Confused]

comparison of 2009 and 2013 times on the climb. Aggregated top 50 times. 33 are from 2013, indicating conditions were more favorable for fast ascent times. Contado/Schleck/Sanchez are the outliers.

1. Alberto Contador ----- ESP | 33:52 | 2009
-2. Richie Porte ----------AUS | 34:44 | 2013
-3. Frank Schleck -------- LUX | 34:50 | 2009
-4. Luis Leon Sanchez ---- ESP | 34:50 | 2009
-5. Denis Menchov -------- RUS | 35:00 | 2013

It indicates to me you have to be a doper to get under 35 minutes.
Welcome to the club, Porte.

Carry on MR.

 

[Galic Ho]

Since that there was tailwind in '09 and headwind in '13, here's another conclusion one can draw:

The peloton was dirtier in '13 than '09.

Mastersracer is showing once again that critical thinking and history don't always mix.
What happened in 2009?

Typical Sky fanboy response: "Oh I don't know, my brain is dodgy and I can't remember back that far."

Why don't people just call these so called "Skybots" what they are?

EDIT because the mod wants PEACE IN OUR TIMES. Yay, thanks Europe! Heard that one before!

Fact 1: 2009 Alberto Contador was tag teamed by two, yes two very strong teams. Saxo Bank and Movistar. He had his very well known hunger bonk and Lance made his well known "You've got a lot to learn" speech. Lost GC and everyone thought he was done.

Fact 2: Contador came out firing. Really firing. Two teams chased him down. Not just any guy. The best rider of his generation and in the world. A doper granted, but the best guy. Chased by two teams packed with dopers working TOGETHER for Lulu and Franck who were desperately trying to stop Contador regaining the GC lead. Both of whom every credible Clinic member knows are dirty. They've been in the news A LOT THE LAST YEAR. For doping talk.

Fact 3: Porte went faster than they did, minus AC and INTO A HEADWIND without two teams pulling all day for him. Note he was garbage as a domestique for Contador. Absolutely worthless. Now he's almost as good. Mind you he did all this WITHOUT the A-Team squad who make no mistake, are trying to figure out who will take Rogers place (my money is on Thomas, maybe Kennaugh).

No Ritchie was and still is the beacon of clean cycling.

Thanks for suspending at a minimum reality Mastersracer. You too Del1962. Historically inaccurate once again and fluffing the set up for your boy(s). I'd be asking for overtime given the amount of huha and poodoo you create for your idols.

Do I even talk about Talansky's pro Armstrong burst? OR DENNIS FRAKKING MENCHOV! OR SCARPONI? Scarponi is one of the dirtiest guys riding a bike. Unrepentant habitual doper. Yeah, he's taking it easy!

 

[Parrulo]

first stop with the insults or you will get a ban which will be long as iirc you just returned from one.

second get your facts right, the montagne du lure on PN 2009 was before he cracked, he got the leader jersey that day and the day after, after being gang banged by lulu, colom, schleck and chavannel over 30 km's he finally cracked because he completely forgot to eat.

he then proceeded to go all out again on the nice stage but ended up being beaten on the sprint by colon

 

[The Hitch]

I'm no defender of Sky but...



That's a classic post for the Clinic. Cherry pick a result from years ago as proof of doping. Whatever happened on that day definitely tells us everything about what either rider is doing right now.

y.

That wasnt 1 stage. That was Portes result in every stage of that Giro. You say Portes worst result was cherry picked, when in fact the result in question was probably Portes best performance on a mountain stage before joining sky

 

[Galic Ho]

I'm no defender of Sky but...



That's a classic post for the Clinic. Cherry pick a result from years ago as proof of doping. Whatever happened on that day definitely tells us everything about what either rider is doing right now.

Presumably if EBH wins a GT we'll see his times posted from random MTFs too, so he's got to remember, any slack day now, any mechanical, any stomach bug, basically anything that might mean he doesn't exhaust himself on every uphill is evidence against him come the future, at least with some of you guys anyway.

Another person who needs a history update.

Brailsford was DUMB enough to allow a progress chart of every riders perspective career based on talent and results that projected their maximal potential. Nice little flow chart. Froome was barely scraping Pro Conti level that is how bad he was. EBH was at the top of the Sky roster. Naturally super gifted bike rider. Amazing bike racer. Projected as a potential WC winner. Not GT, but sure Classics superstar. Nobody is going to deny that even if he dopes.

It's the guys who are donkey who end up being world beaters, guys Sky had zero confidence in and were going to fire, like Froome, that raise every alarm. Your analogy betrays a naive ignorance about who is really naturally talented. EBH is one of the real superstars. If Sky were racing clean, it'd all be about him. But that wasn't their AIM. GT glory was and that is done with doping.

 

[thehog]

Another person who needs a history update.

Brailsford was DUMB enough to allow a progress chart of every riders perspective career based on talent and results that projected their maximal potential. Nice little flow chart. Froome was barely scraping Pro Conti level that is how bad he was. EBH was at the top of the Sky roster. Naturally super gifted bike rider. Amazing bike racer. Projected as a potential WC winner. Not GT, but sure Classics superstar. Nobody is going to deny that even if he dopes.

It's the guys who are donkey who end up being world beaters, guys Sky had zero confidence in and were going to fire, like Froome, that raise every alarm. Your analogy betrays a naive ignorance about who is really naturally talented. EBH is one of the real superstars. If Sky were racing clean, it'd all be about him. But that wasn't their AIM. GT glory was and that is done with doping.

And there it is....

 

[mastersracer]

Mastersracer is showing once again that critical thinking should be left to those with IQ's in the triple figures. So dense and lacking in history it is beyond a joke.

What happened in 2009?

Typical Sky fanboy response: "Oh I don't know, my brain is dodgy and I can't remember back that far."

Why don't people just call these so called "Skybots" what they are?

A troll is a troll. Or at best an idiot. Okay maybe they just have shocking memories.

Fact 1: 2009 Alberto Contador was tag teamed by two, yes two very strong teams. Saxo Bank and Movistar. He had his very well known hunger bonk and Lance made his well known "You've got a lot to learn" speech. Lost GC and everyone thought he was done.

Fact 2: Contador came out firing. Really firing. Two teams chased him down. Not just any guy. The best rider of his generation and in the world. A doper granted, but the best guy. Chased by two teams packed with dopers working TOGETHER for Lulu and Franck who were desperately trying to stop Contador regaining the GC lead. Both of whom every credible Clinic member knows are dirty. They've been in the news A LOT THE LAST YEAR. For doping talk.

Fact 3: Porte went faster than they did, minus AC and INTO A HEADWIND without two teams pulling all day for him. Note he was garbage as a domestique for Contador. Absolutely worthless. Now he's almost as good. Mind you he did all this WITHOUT the A-Team squad who make no mistake, are trying to figure out who will take Rogers place (my money is on Thomas, maybe Kennaugh).

No Ritchie was and still is the beacon of clean cycling.

Thanks for suspending at a minimum reality Mastersracer. You too Del1962. Historically inaccurate once again and fluffing the set up for your boy(s). I'd be asking for overtime given the amount of huha and poodoo you create for your idols.

Do I even talk about Talansky's pro Armstrong burst? OR DENNIS FRAKKING MENCHOV! OR SCARPONI? Scarponi is one of the dirtiest guys riding a bike. Unrepentant habitual doper. Yeah, he's taking it easy!

As Parrulo indicated, your history is askew. In 2009, Contador attacked on de Lure with 7km to go and rode solo for 17 minutes, putting a minute into Porte's time, who attacked with a little over a km left, and so benefited from doing most of the climb in a group of riders. Contador averaged 6.19 watts/kg, Porte 5.79.

 

[Pentacycle]

Read what's on the right corner below the graph.

 

[Fatclimber]

And there it is....

Old is the new young.

 

[Parrot23]

Porte on Talansky today:

"It's weird to see the yellow jersey attack but full credit to Talansky, he was brilliant in the last couple of days."

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/1...-riding-for-Brad-and-Chris.aspx#ixzz2Mzt1dzlh

 

[Galic Ho]

first stop with the insults or you will get a ban which will be long as iirc you just returned from one.

second get your facts right, the montagne du lure on PN 2009 was before he cracked, he got the leader jersey that day and the day after, after being gang banged by lulu, colom, schleck and chavannel over 30 km's he finally cracked because he completely forgot to eat.

he then proceeded to go all out again on the nice stage but ended up being beaten on the sprint by colon

Insults? Fair enough I changed it for you.

Correct me all you want on the order of operations, it changes nothing for the better regarding doping. You strengthened my point. Make THAT THREE TEAMS not two, who pulled all day. Who gave their captains support. It makes Contador's time look not so extraterrestrial. It's not like 2009 Astana weren't the strongest team in recent memory before 2012. Yeah I'm sure they didn't contribute at all. You just made Porte's case worse.

BTW, if you want to go about correcting people and acting like doing so makes you intelligent, keep in mind that every time your lax English skills pop up on an English speaking forum, there are people who turn a blind eye to it and cut you repeated slack.

Think I am wrong Parrulo? I'm not. I've been banned for not insulting someone, but simply leaving a question over someone's posting style. How many of these Skybots (not my term but I've noticed its being used) have cried to you over other forumists? How many? They your friends? Do I have your word that you are being impartial here? Or are you getting upset and acting emotionally?Do I have reason to believe as a mod you've done this before? I could actually make a case. I bring up your English skills because the posts I was banned for supposedly insulting someone I used the proper punctuation and syntax on the post(s) to position myself as merely asking a question. I asked a question those times...nobody was directly insulted. Just as I did with the above. I left a conditional sentence. The reader chooses which they were. Not me. Aussies aren't cowards...if I want to call you something, I damn well say it. Just ask your boy Ritchie Porte. We don't cut corners or hold back.

BTW thanks for confirming you banned me. You played that card really wisely.

 

[mastersracer]

Insults? Fair enough I changed it for you.

Correct me all you want on the order of operations, it changes nothing for the better regarding doping. You strengthened my point. Make THAT THREE TEAMS not two, who pulled all day. Who gave their captains support. It makes Contador's time look not so extraterrestrial. It's not like 2009 Astana weren't the strongest team in recent memory before 2012. Yeah I'm sure they didn't contribute at all. You just made Porte's case worse.

BTW, if you want to go about correcting people and acting like doing so makes you intelligent, keep in mind that every time your lax English skills pop up on an English speaking forum, there are people who turn a blind eye to it and cut you repeated slack.

Think I am wrong Parrulo? I'm not. I've been banned for not insulting someone, but simply leaving a question over someone's posting style. How many of these Skybots (not my term but I've noticed its being used) have cried to you over other forumists? How many? They your friends? Do I have your word that you are being impartial here? Or are you getting upset and acting emotionally?Do I have reason to believe as a mod you've done this before? I could actually make a case. I bring up your English skills because the posts I was banned for supposedly insulting someone I used the proper punctuation and syntax on the post(s) to position myself as merely asking a question. I asked a question those times...nobody was directly insulted. Just as I did with the above. I left a conditional sentence. The reader chooses which they were. Not me. Aussies aren't cowards...if I want to call you something, I damn well say it. Just ask your boy Ritchie Porte. We don't cut corners or hold back.

BTW thanks for confirming you banned me. You played that card really wisely.

What are you talking about? In 2009 Contador soloed for 7km up De Lure averaging almost 6.2 watts/kg. Porte sat in the group until 1.3 km and attacked, averaging 5.79 watts for the climb. Contador's time was almost a minute faster than Porte's on a day that was overall a slower one for the top finishers.

 

[Galic Ho]

And there it is....

That there is why I don't trust Brailsford.

EBH is getting the short end of the stick

Really short end of the proverbial deal. He should be their no.1 rider. Him and Cav.

I give him till the end of the year and he leaves. Only one spot in the Fantastic Four up for grabs and they only give them out to Anglo Saxons. Mind you Porte doesn't look like one, but he is in name.

Porte for the Vuelta after helping Froome in the Tour. Wiggins for the Giro and that is the supreme set. All three GTs in a season. Rabbo almost got two in 2007.

One more thing? HOW is The Pope still riding? He should be banned. So should Scarponi. I don't like what Porte has done to himself, but it's nothing compared to what these two men have done for years and years. Both should be sitting out the season till their doping mess gets sorted. If it can happen to Ballan it can happen to them.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

snipped ..

and so benefited from doing most of the climb in a group of riders. Contador averaged 6.19 watts/kg, Porte 5.79.

again, Porte has beaten proven dopers. No clean (implicated or otherwise) have ever raced faster than Porte. And Porte performed better in headwind.

Solo ride, just like Contador.

Porte was all smiles crossing the line. Just like the good old days.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

That there is why I don't trust Brailsford.

EBH is getting the short end of the stick

Really short end of the proverbial deal. He should be their no.1 rider. Him and Cav.

I give him till the end of the year and he leaves. Only one spot in the Fantastic Four up for grabs and they only give them out to Anglo Saxons. Mind you Porte doesn't look like one, but he is in name.

Snipped...

My bet is that EBH doesn't want to jump on the marginal gains program. I hope he stays off it and leaves the team asap.

Porte can't be saved now.

 

[burning]

And there it is....

I f*cking love that CF (Froome) was the worst rider in 2010 and 1.5 years later he became the best rider.

And people (sky fans) say that Brailsford and his marginal gain stuff is pure genius because they boost their riders to the sky

Yet, they didnt have any clue about Froome's ridiculous talent before Angliru

It looks like this graph is from 2011 which makes their assesment about Froome even more funny

 

[Galic Ho]

What are you talking about? In 2009 Contador soloed for 7km up De Lure averaging almost 6.2 watts/kg. Porte sat in the group until 1.3 km and attacked, averaging 5.79 watts for the climb. Contador's time was almost a minute faster than Porte's on a day that was overall a slower one for the top finishers.

Did Vayer do your figures? Or has the famous Clinic doctor done them for you?

Your numbers argument was addressed. Porte's skill relative to two men who have both WON THE GIRO and against uber dopers like The Killer, Pellizotti, Contador, Nibali, Vino and Basso is historically very low.

If you're suggesting Porte is clean, are we to take it The Pope is as clean as a babies bottom? Or that perhaps Scarponi has learnt the error of his ways and Ferrari as his doc is a big NO NO?

The numbers allow people to hide conveniently. There is no way a guy who use to climb like he did, should be beating those two by 20 seconds up a climb. This isn't about Contador or Lulu or Franck. It's about how Porte went relative today, to his competition. I think Talansky being up there is dodgy as well, but Porte is just rubbing it in.

Thehog said last year they need to tone it the FRAK down. Where is the subtlety. It was mentioned in this very thread Rabo did that to Menchov in 2006. That is brand new info. It explains why he dropped performance wise in the end of that years Tour. The team told him to skip a blood bag and we still know they were doping. Three of their big four have come clean. Same deal with Sky...just gotta wait for the first one to squeal or get stuck and caught. Time is against them.

think about it. Isn't subtlety the strongest card a doper has? If you can win, you just win. You don't flog everyone out the front grandstanding do you? No you don't. Unless your name if Chris Froome and the power got to your head. I said last year Porte would want in on the glory. He's getting it now and he's got the bit between his teeth. I'm not surprised at all. Why should Froome get to be the big boy? Or Wiggins? You've got too many Roosters in the hen house and they all want a bit of the pie.

Say Porte weighs 65kg. That is an aggregate power of 376W using the figure you gave. That's nothing compared to what he is quoted from Basso as doing in a GT during the third week. Porte is just warming up. Take a seat and enjoy the ride people, because it is going to be fun to watch the dope train!

Good on him for winning. It's time Sky shared the love around. Jealous petty riders always make for theatrics off the road. Ask Lance and Alberto.

 

[Galic Ho]

I f*cking love that CF (Froome) was the worst rider of sky in 2010 and 1.5 years later he became the best rider of sky.

And people (sky fans) say that Brailsford and his marginal gain stuff is pure genius because they boost their riders to the sky

Yet, they didnt have any clue about Froome's ridiculous talent before Angliru

It looks like this graph is from 2011 which makes their assesment about Froome even more funny

We should be fair to Ritchie. He's about Rogers talent or there abouts. He'd be high up on that list too. Somewhere around the level of Wiggins or Rogers.

I just noticed how low PK is. Peter Kennaugh. To think that guy won an Olympic gold and Froome won a silver. Pro Conti podium at best. Someone at Sky really has a sense of humour.

At least Geraint Thomas is high. But the graph say it all. EBH is the most gifted guy on their squad. His best year was the year Sky were GT leader free. Go figure. Has no hope now. He might as well stay away from GT's. They'll just use him as pack fodder. Should do the Classics, go to the Vuelta only and aim for the Worlds.

EBH is wasted on Sky. Absolutely wasted. Just like Cav was last year.

 

[stefrees]

Did Vayer do your figures? Or has the famous Clinic doctor done them for you?

Your numbers argument was addressed. Porte's skill relative to two men who have both WON THE GIRO and against uber dopers like The Killer, Pellizotti, Contador, Nibali, Vino and Basso is historically very low.

If you're suggesting Porte is clean, are we to take it The Pope is as clean as a babies bottom? Or that perhaps Scarponi has learnt the error of his ways and Ferrari as his doc is a big NO NO?

The numbers allow people to hide conveniently. There is no way a guy who use to climb like he did, should be beating those two by 20 seconds up a climb. This isn't about Contador or Lulu or Franck. It's about how Porte went relative today, to his competition. I think Talansky being up there is dodgy as well, but Porte is just rubbing it in.

Thehog said last year they need to tone it the FRAK down. Where is the subtlety. It was mentioned in this very thread Rabo did that to Menchov in 2006. That is brand new info. It explains why he dropped performance wise in the end of that years Tour. The team told him to skip a blood bag and we still know they were doping. Three of their big four have come clean. Same deal with Sky...just gotta wait for the first one to squeal or get stuck and caught. Time is against them.

think about it. Isn't subtlety the strongest card a doper has? If you can win, you just win. You don't flog everyone out the front grandstanding do you? No you don't. Unless your name if Chris Froome and the power got to your head. I said last year Porte would want in on the glory. He's getting it now and he's got the bit between his teeth. I'm not surprised at all. Why should Froome get to be the big boy? Or Wiggins? You've got too many Roosters in the hen house and they all want a bit of the pie.

Say Porte weighs 65kg. That is an aggregate power of 376W using the figure you gave. That's nothing compared to what he is quoted from Basso as doing in a GT during the third week. Porte is just warming up. Take a seat and enjoy the ride people, because it is going to be fun to watch the dope train!

Good on him for winning. It's time Sky shared the love around. Jealous petty riders always make for theatrics off the road. Ask Lance and Alberto.

Do you actually enjoy watching cycling? You're an excellent wind up merchant mind you, top marks

 

[Galic Ho]

My bet is that EBH doesn't want to jump on the marginal gains program. I hope he stays off it and leaves the team asap.

Porte can't be saved now.

He better hope those people at ASADA don't come after cyclists.

They are grilling NRL teams ATM. Absolutely grilling them. The investigator made all the support staff and the coach at the Cronulla Sharks stand down simply because for 2-3 months in 2011 they had a dodgy sports scientist work at the club. Not stand down, but they were fired from the board. No sign of actual proof of doping, just conjecture. And we hear what the naysayers around here in the Clinic say about people even suggesting people dope! It's ridiculous. It's a joke.

Sky have fired how many people now after USADA dropped the bomb? Leinders being the big one! If Sky were Australian right now and ASADA got their hands on them, Porte would be flayed alive.

 

[veganrob]

Do you actually enjoy watching cycling? You're an excellent wind up merchant mind you, top marks

I'd say he does enjoy watching cycling. It's obvious he knows way the fock more than you do.

 

[Galic Ho]

Do you actually enjoy watching cycling? You're an excellent wind up merchant mind you, top marks

Yes I do watch cycling.

Do take into consideration though that most people here hate insomnia. I live in Australia. I'm not ruining my sleeping patterns again for some minor race like Paris Nice without someone like Contador or Andy Schleck riding it. It's not worth it. We're 8 hours ahead of the racing times in Europe, so by the time they end, it's really late here.

I'll watch the Giro and Tour for the most part, but if I feel like doping is being shoved down my throat by unrepentant cheats, I won't watch. For the record that only happened during last years Tour. Still my favourite Tour I've seen was the 2007 one...and I know how doped that was. It just wasn't shoved down my throat by guys who appeared like a magician out of nowhere and started winning. I'd rather game or watch a movie or a downloaded tv show when that happens. Note it only really happened in 2012. It was the repetition.

Note I am more than happy to be corrected. Parrulo was right to correct my order of stage events time wise. That was wrong. But my context was still IMO adequate. BTW if I don't watch the races fully I often watch the clips I can find. I also read up on the results. But yeah, not living in Europe means I don't watch as much as I would if I lived there. I can't afford to with time zones. Being an insomniac blows.

Note this year, I want Sky to go full *** dope wise. I want it to be obvious and I've based this off of what Froome was saying just after the Olympics. He wanted to be top dog in 2013. That unbridled ambition coupled with a throw all caution to the wind dope wise approach is what I want to see...so they get exposed. Well correction. So his ridiculousness nets exposed. It's dangerous. Really dangerous because IMO it shifts the entire field and how they approach doping. It's like an arms race of doping. Cycling does not need another USPS decade of deceit.

Note I did clarify my stance. I don't think Porte should be kicked to the curb. But he has crossed a line in the minds of many here. This is just the start. He is potential GT GC material if he picks the right race which I think could be the Vuelta. Purito, AC and Valverde are all probably going for the Tour. So they'll counter Froome there. Add in Andy Schleck. Wiggins has the Giro against Nibali (Ferrari boy is my bet there) so Porte should get the Vuelta against weaker opposition.

Just take all that front group on Porte's win today. I have zero faith in Nicholas Roche. His cousin, I think is the talented one. Where is he? Talansky is really questionable as well. He was up there. Scarponi and Menchov will take anything to win. So Porte ain't alone. Just a bit dodgier today than the rest.

I'm not saying fry only Porte just that on this one occasion, this one time, he was a lot better than everyone else and it's still early days. He's gotta lot of room to grow with the season. If he comes out and massacres the chrono, then someone needs to tell him to hold back. You don't go whole hog this early on. That's just stupid. The wiser entertainer leaves the ignorant fans savoring some hope of competition. It's called anticipation. Anticipation beats the done and dusted method everytime. Why? Because you appear susceptible to defeat. Think LA in the 2003 Tour. Ullrich was equal to him. Made for much better viewing.

Anyone take a look to see where Astarloza finished? 10 minutes back. That's what happens when you go clean. You suck.

PS: Apologies for using NOTE too often. I edited this post about 3 times and didn't notice.

 

[MatParker117]

That there is why I don't trust Brailsford.

EBH is getting the short end of the stick

Really short end of the proverbial deal. He should be their no.1 rider. Him and Cav.

I give him till the end of the year and he leaves. Only one spot in the Fantastic Four up for grabs and they only give them out to Anglo Saxons. Mind you Porte doesn't look like one, but he is in name.

Porte for the Vuelta after helping Froome in the Tour. Wiggins for the Giro and that is the supreme set. All three GTs in a season. Rabbo almost got two in 2007.

One more thing? HOW is The Pope still riding? He should be banned. So should Scarponi. I don't like what Porte has done to himself, but it's nothing compared to what these two men have done for years and years. Both should be sitting out the season till their doping mess gets sorted. If it can happen to Ballan it can happen to them.

EBH was responsible for 20% of Sky's wins last year, probably be higher this year now that Cav's gone.