Richie Porte - what do we know about him?

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Galic Ho said:
Yes I do watch cycling.

Do take into consideration though that most people here hate insomnia. I live in Australia. I'm not ruining my sleeping patterns again for some minor race like Paris Nice without someone like Contador or Andy Schleck riding it. It's not worth it. We're 8 hours ahead of the racing times in Europe, so by the time they end, it's really late here.

I'll watch the Giro and Tour for the most part, but if I feel like doping is being shoved down my throat by unrepentant cheats, I won't watch. For the record that only happened during last years Tour. Still my favourite Tour I've seen was the 2007 one...and I know how doped that was. It just wasn't shoved down my throat by guys who appeared like a magician out of nowhere and started winning. I'd rather game or watch a movie or a downloaded tv show when that happens. Note it only really happened in 2012. It was the repetition.

Note I am more than happy to be corrected. Parrulo was right to correct my order of stage events time wise. That was wrong. But my context was still IMO adequate. BTW if I don't watch the races fully I often watch the clips I can find. I also read up on the results. But yeah, not living in Europe means I don't watch as much as I would if I lived there. I can't afford to with time zones. Being an insomniac blows.

Note this year, I want Sky to go full *** dope wise. I want it to be obvious and I've based this off of what Froome was saying just after the Olympics. He wanted to be top dog in 2013. That unbridled ambition coupled with a throw all caution to the wind dope wise approach is what I want to see...so they get exposed. Well correction. So his ridiculousness nets exposed. It's dangerous. Really dangerous because IMO it shifts the entire field and how they approach doping. It's like an arms race of doping. Cycling does not need another USPS decade of deceit.

Note I did clarify my stance. I don't think Porte should be kicked to the curb. But he has crossed a line in the minds of many here. This is just the start. He is potential GT GC material if he picks the right race which I think could be the Vuelta. Purito, AC and Valverde are all probably going for the Tour. So they'll counter Froome there. Add in Andy Schleck. Wiggins has the Giro against Nibali (Ferrari boy is my bet there) so Porte should get the Vuelta against weaker opposition.

Just take all that front group on Porte's win today. I have zero faith in Nicholas Roche. His cousin, I think is the talented one. Where is he? Talansky is really questionable as well. He was up there. Scarponi and Menchov will take anything to win. So Porte ain't alone. Just a bit dodgier today than the rest.

I'm not saying fry only Porte just that on this one occasion, this one time, he was a lot better than everyone else and it's still early days. He's gotta lot of room to grow with the season. If he comes out and massacres the chrono, then someone needs to tell him to hold back. You don't go whole hog this early on. That's just stupid. The wiser entertainer leaves the ignorant fans savoring some hope of competition. It's called anticipation. Anticipation beats the done and dusted method everytime. Why? Because you appear susceptible to defeat. Think LA in the 2003 Tour. Ullrich was equal to him. Made for much better viewing.

Anyone take a look to see where Astarloza finished? 10 minutes back. That's what happens when you go clean. You suck.

PS: Apologies for using NOTE too often. I edited this post about 3 times and didn't notice.

Since you apparently didn't see the race under discussion, here's a summary: Porte didn't do anything special. He rode with the front group, who were putting out respectable but not brilliant power. Talansky rode like an inexperienced race leader, attacking 3 times. Here's his own words:

“I was feeling incredible on the climb and I got carried away with it too much,” Talansky told VeloNews. “The first two attacks were all right. The third one was one too many. In hindsight, I probably shouldn’t have gone. That was the difference."

Porte countered at 1.4 km to go and got a gap. Some negative racing ensued. The leaders looked at each other, waiting for someone to chase. Finally, Talansky, who had already popped, was forced to take up the chase. Too little. Too late.

Some measure of proportionality is in order. Porte made a smart move. He won mostly with his head, not his legs. This wasn't exactly a Lance performance.

If Menchov is doping with all the Rasmussen/Rabo stuff hitting the fan, he's an idiot. If Scarponi is doping after CONI and team suspensions, he's an idiot too. Certainly their performances weren't special.
 
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If Menchov is doping with all the Rasmussen/Rabo stuff hitting the fan, he's an idiot. If Scarponi is doping after CONI and team suspensions, he's an idiot too. Certainly their performances weren't special.

Ha, ha, this is a slam dunk! Since this is the clinic, I think both of them are hooked up via an umbilical cord to a previous edition of Rasmussen.

Everyone here knows they're still doping, and "therefore" Richie is now putting out more power than Ullrich + Lance.

Mastersracer, you have to get with the program. :p
 
Galic Ho said:
We should be fair to Ritchie. He's about Rogers talent or there abouts. He'd be high up on that list too. Somewhere around the level of Wiggins or Rogers.

I just noticed how low PK is. Peter Kennaugh. To think that guy won an Olympic gold and Froome won a silver. Pro Conti podium at best. Someone at Sky really has a sense of humour.:p

At least Geraint Thomas is high. But the graph say it all. EBH is the most gifted guy on their squad. His best year was the year Sky were GT leader free. Go figure. Has no hope now. He might as well stay away from GT's. They'll just use him as pack fodder. Should do the Classics, go to the Vuelta only and aim for the Worlds.

EBH is wasted on Sky. Absolutely wasted. Just like Cav was last year.

EBH is Scott Mercer. I think Porte is Vaughters. Told Ashenden he didn't want to dope but Christ you can do well when you do.

Froome is Hamilton. Probably never should have been that good. But if you get a Ferrari program you become the Hulk.

Wiggins is Lance. Callous as well a good BS artist....
 
Parrot23 said:
Ha, ha, this is a slam dunk! Since this is the clinic, I think both of them are hooked up via an umbilical cord to a previous edition of Rasmussen.

Everyone here knows they're still doping, and "therefore" Richie is now putting out more power than Ullrich + Lance.

Mastersracer, you have to get with the program. :p

Since when did cyclists get smart and stop doping? Lance 09/10. I mean he was still with Ferrari in July after the Landis stuff hit the fan.

Ricco, Di Luca et al.

Once you start it's so darn to give it away.

Is this Scarponi who was caught in OP but is now working with Ferrari?
 
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If Menchov is doping with all the Rasmussen/Rabo stuff hitting the fan, he's an idiot. If Scarponi is doping after CONI and team suspensions, he's an idiot too. Certainly their performances weren't special.

Scarponi was banned after being implicated in the Puerto scandal in 2006. Scarponi used a banned doping doctor in 2010 (Ferrari). Scarponi is a typical blood and EPO doper, they can't stop.

Menchov has been a doper all his career and its only a matter of time before he gets removed from the sport.

Porte's solo ride has only been outperformed by a handful of proven dopers. Porte's ride was in direct headwind unlike some of the dopers.

Conclusion: Porte is either the most talented climber ever or he is a doper.
 
A rider improving dramatically after leaving Riis is like a guy who quits his job at an ice cream factory with free ice cream for its employees, a daily gratis bacon and sausage breakfast, and all you can eat donuts available throughout the day but he packs on the pounds AFTER he leaves.
 
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hfer07 said:
Apart from what is becoming so evident on Porte's new found skills- I can only say the key to all this is the entire "doping umbrella" that Sky is covering them with---just look at the last K of climbing in any race they take part and no matter if is Wiggo, Froome or Porte- they just "mastered" the US Postal mantra- which was to asphyxiate everyone with a nasty tempo & "somehow" have the "legs" to finish it off afterwards......

I has really sick today watching Porte doing such ridiculous performance:mad:

exactly like I said , it is very obvious W, CF, RP and MR, anyone of them can win last year ToF. It is just depends who is riding for who. And that is decided by DB. Old Rabobank at least have the shame to know not too look too strong in the tour, while SKY has no such concern. SKY is in the making of the biggest joke of professional cycling.
 
BroDeal said:
A rider improving dramatically after leaving Riis is like a guy who quits his job at an ice cream factory with free ice cream for its employees, a daily gratis bacon and sausage breakfast, and all you can eat donuts available throughout the day but he packs on the pounds AFTER he leaves.

Riis' program appears to be ineffective and a waste of cash the last few years. Nobody on that team can perform except for Contador.

Maybe Riis should hire Leinders.
 
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Dazed and Confused said:
Riis' program appears to be ineffective and a waste of cash the last few years. Nobody on that team can perform except for Contador.

Maybe Riis should hire Leinders.

Riis is such old school, you have to catch with some technology development.
 

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maxmartin said:
Riis is such old school, you have to catch with some technology development.

what exactly is this secret new technology that makes riders as fast as those of the 80s?
 
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What's wrong with a nice young man who works in an ice cream factory?? People are opposed to ice cream as well. I must be autistic.

Cycling is great fun when we can focus on everything except the racing. The latter's just secondary; that's why I enjoy it so much. I'm such a big fan. Have phun everybody.
 
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BroDeal said:
A rider improving dramatically after leaving Riis is like a guy who quits his job at an ice cream factory with free ice cream for its employees, a daily gratis bacon and sausage breakfast, and all you can eat donuts available throughout the day but he packs on the pounds AFTER he leaves.

Replacing ice lollies and bocadillos with yogurt and gaining weight? Not normal.
 
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mastersracer said:
what exactly is this secret new technology that makes riders as fast as those of the 80s?

rumor is PPARδ Agonists, it can help you shed weight while increasing power output, which is never heard before. That is the reason majority gifted climbers can't TT except a few rare breed, but not anymore. Anyway, MR is in Saxo now, maybe he can teach the old dog some new tricks. Let's see how it plays out in this year TOUR.:D
 
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mastersracer said:
what exactly is this secret new technology that makes riders as fast as those of the 80s?

Sky not riding faster than they did in the 80s? Even if thats true is that somehow supposed to prove that theyre clean? It doesnt explain how you can take a bunch of donkeys and turn them into the biggest talents in the sport overnight. Do you believe Porte is just doing the same power hes always done, its just everyone else that has lost power?
 
the sceptic said:
Sky not riding faster than they did in the 80s? Even if thats true is that somehow supposed to prove that theyre clean? It doesnt explain how you can take a bunch of donkeys and turn them into the biggest talents in the sport overnight. Do you believe Porte is just doing the same power hes always done, its just everyone else that has lost power?

Those guys only seemed to be donkeys before because they were the only clean ones and everyone else was doping. Now nobody dopes anymore, and all those other guys are fine with being beat like an unwanted redheaded stepchild by the former donkeys as long as they are clean.
Cycling is now clean, what a wonderful world.:)
 
The thing is, Porte has the most explainable trajectory of anyone. A late starter who was very solid in his first season in a range of disciplines. 2011 is not representative of anything except his ITT'ing so it's silly to suggest that getting dropped on the first climb and finishing two hours back is the best he could do given what he showed the year earlier.

That said, it is a stretch to think his 2010 to 2012 was not a sharp increase in climbing performance. It is the equivalent of Wilco Kelderman coming out this year and winning MTFs.
 
Ferminal said:
The thing is, Porte has the most explainable trajectory of anyone. A late starter who was very solid in his first season in a range of disciplines. 2011 is not representative of anything except his ITT'ing so it's silly to suggest that getting dropped on the first climb and finishing two hours back is the best he could do given what he showed the year earlier.

That said, it is a stretch to think his 2010 to 2012 was not a sharp increase in climbing performance. It is the equivalent of Wilco Kelderman coming out this year and winning MTFs.

Who's Wilco Kelderman?