Richie Porte - what do we know about him?

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lllludo said:
2 different riders from the same team winning the Tour : Riis-Ullrich, Hinault-Lemond, Hinault-Fignon; you'd tell me 2 years ago that the Froome-Wiggins duo will be next I would have said "no way".
Froome dominating the Movistars on Ventoux and Ax3D and time trialing like Tony Martin is not uncommon by Armstrong and Indurain standards.
Stannard, extremely ambitious for Paris-Roubaix, and Thomas, aiming for a GT in the near future, are considered as stars in the making within team Sky (according to Sutton for example).
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add to that the fact that Sky's glory was miraculously precisely predicted by Sir Brailsford in 2008 (when Pat was in Bejing hanging gold medals around BC riders' necks), and how Wiggins' tdf win nicely preceded the London Games.

not normal.
or perhaps remarkably normal.
 
Its funny how the Sky fans are so blinkered.

"Have you never got ill"

Yes I have, but then I don't work for a company that bleats on how they leave no stone unturned and how scientific they are.

yet they let a lad ride who is supposedly ill! Shouldnt they have him properly looked over by a doctor and checked correctly? I mean, it could have a knock on effect to his whole season? Surly Team Sky want their strongest squad for July?

Sky fans say we (the doubters) are blinkered and everything is a conspiricy. Jeeez, you guys spout even bigger sh!te. Look at the wider picture for christ sake.
 
MartinGT said:
Its funny how the Sky fans are so blinkered.

"Have you never got ill"

Yes I have, but then I don't work for a company that bleats on how they leave no stone unturned and how scientific they are.

yet they let a lad ride who is supposedly ill! Shouldnt they have him properly looked over by a doctor and checked correctly? I mean, it could have a knock on effect to his whole season? Surly Team Sky want their strongest squad for July?

Sky fans say we (the doubters) are blinkered and everything is a conspiricy. Jeeez, you guys spout even bigger sh!te. Look at the wider picture for christ sake.
Whatever, every illness in Sky is doping, clinic logic is beautiful

Troll along
 
del1962 said:
So where in the PR on marginal gains say that the riders will not get ill?
It doesnt

Lets take this away from cycling to try and get your head around it. You seem to be struggling.

A rail company says they are a world class rail company, they are scientific, their trains are state of the art, they work on them in clean workshops so they dont get contaminated with dust or outside influences. Their trains are never late because they check on everything from where the rails are placed to what the weather is going to be.

Then one day one of the trains breaks down and they are late. Not to worry the passengers think, its only broken valve a simple thing to repair. But they dont use a scientific approach they speak of, they get some gaffer tape and repair it.

Next time its out on the morning rush hour run it breaks down. Hmmmm, thats odd. Shouldnt this rail company make sure their rolling stock is correct before it goes out, I mean, it boasts how amazing it is, yet seems to be rather an amateur outfit at looking after their trains....
 
MartinGT said:
It doesnt

Lets take this away from cycling to try and get your head around it. You seem to be struggling.

A rail company says they are a world class rail company, they are scientific, their trains are state of the art, they work on them in clean workshops so they dont get contaminated with dust or outside influences. Their trains are never late because they check on everything from where the rails are placed to what the weather is going to be.

Then one day one of the trains breaks down and they are late. Not to worry the passengers think, its only broken valve a simple thing to repair. But they dont use a scientific approach they speak of, they get some gaffer tape and repair it.

Next time its out on the morning rush hour run it breaks down. Hmmmm, thats odd. Shouldnt this rail company make sure their rolling stock is correct before it goes out, I mean, it boasts how amazing it is, yet seems to be rather an amateur outfit at looking after their trains....
I am not really sure how an engineering analogy fits in this case, anyway I have had enuf of this vortex, spout away
 
del1962 said:
I am not really sure how an engineering analogy fits in this case, anyway I have had enuf of this vortex, spout away
What I am trying to say is, for a business that says a massive chunk of their success is based on scientific approach they have done a sh!t job here.

Basically.
 
I dont know about Porte but I do know sky claim under their version of froomes bilharzia, to have allowed him to ride around for 3 full years with it, instead of getting rid of the parasite.

So clearly there is precedence for them treating their riders like that. Strange for team marginal gainsm
 
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health seems to be a marginal loss for team sky

brailsford said they don't bring a doctor to altitude training camps either

and they then had a bout of food poisoning

go figure
 
Aug 8, 2013
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David Walsh on Tenerife..

""They come to this training camp in Tenerife without a doctor, as Kerrison likes to strip things down when they’re in Teide. “There’s a time for giving the riders all the support and a time for focusing them on the things that matter. Up here we try to eliminate all the distractions.”""

they went a bit ott after the leinders problem and ditched the doctors
 
mikeoneill said:
health seems to be a marginal loss for team sky

brailsford said they don't bring a doctor to altitude training camps either

and they then had a bout of food poisoning

go figure
I'm not sure what to figure from that. Would having a doctor with them on the altitude training have stopped anyone getting food poisoning? (I would have thought a food hygiene specialist would have been more help with that, but still)

Or would having a doctor with them on the altitude training camp just meant that a doctor would have got food poisoning as well? (And would that have been a marginal gain proof, as it could have been used to show cleanliness (see even the doctor got sick too!). . .

I love the idea that because Sky have made some pr claims about trying to be scientific, then by definition they must be omniscient about everything, and every time they fall short of this exalted level of perfection it 'proves' they are full of ****, and therefore not to be trusted about anything, and therefore doping.

Regardless of whether they're doping or not, the suggestion that some of their riders won't sometimes get sick and pull out of races for completely legitimate reasons is so transparently stupid that it beggars belief.
 
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RownhamHill said:
I love the idea that because Sky have made some pr claims about trying to be scientific, then by definition they must be omniscient about everything, and every time they fall short of this exalted level of perfection it 'proves' they are full of ****, and therefore not to be trusted about anything, and therefore doping.

Regardless of whether they're doping or not, the suggestion that some of their riders won't sometimes get sick and pull out of races for completely legitimate reasons is so transparently stupid that it beggars belief.
This.

No Dr in the world has yet managed to prevent people from ever becoming unwell.... fatigue is an occupational hazard for athletes, overtraining weakens the immune system and anybody and everybody is susceptible to the common cold/flu virus.
It doesn't matter how much money Sky spend or who the Dr is, the riders are travelling around the world, meeting fans, riding in groups of up to 200 other competitors and will be exposed to viruses and bacteria that can make them unwell.

Some of these posts border on hysteria.... the leap to conclude that doping is the reason behind everything that team Sky says or does cheapens some of the genuinely interesting debate on here.
 
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RownhamHill said:
I love the idea that because Sky have made some pr claims about trying to be scientific, then by definition they must be omniscient about everything, and every time they fall short of this exalted level of perfection it 'proves' they are full of ****, and therefore not to be trusted about anything, and therefore doping.
It's not really 'just some PR claims', Sky pretty much have contributed a large part of their success (most of it even, I would say) to doing everything that little bit better then everyone else and being overall more scientific in their approach.
 
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Trek factory racing today had Zubeldia withdraw due to sickness, he is reported to have raced while sick yesterday and lasted 20km before abandoning today....Hondo failed to start due to sinusitis and bronchitis and Arredondo started the day with stomach issues....Trek's PR states there are stomach problems going around.

The forum would go into meltdown if this was team Sky.
 
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deviant said:
Trek factory racing today had Zubeldia withdraw due to sickness, he is reported to have raced while sick yesterday and lasted 20km before abandoning today....Hondo failed to start due to sinusitis and bronchitis and Arredondo started the day with stomach issues....Trek's PR states there are stomach problems going around.

The forum would go into meltdown if this was team Sky.
Did those guys peak for 6 months while winning everything last year?
 
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deviant said:
This.

No Dr in the world has yet managed to prevent people from ever becoming unwell.... fatigue is an occupational hazard for athletes, overtraining weakens the immune system and anybody and everybody is susceptible to the common cold/flu virus.
It doesn't matter how much money Sky spend or who the Dr is, the riders are travelling around the world, meeting fans, riding in groups of up to 200 other competitors and will be exposed to viruses and bacteria that can make them unwell.
Just a thought, if a rider is doping would this not put their body under less stress in terms of fatigue etc and thus mean they are less likely to fall prey to illness. So conversely a rider that is clean has to be more careful about fatigue and its side effects?
 
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deeno1975 said:
Just a thought, if a rider is doping would this not put their body under less stress in terms of fatigue etc and thus mean they are less likely to fall prey to illness. So conversely a rider that is clean has to be more careful about fatigue and its side effects?
Given doping increases your chance of developing cancer, I would say no.

Doping of any sort is forcing your body to cope with an increase in hormones or blood - something it is not designed to do. The body prefers a nice equilibrium / homeostasis, and pushing it beyond / over that state must be incredibly stressful.

Add in the fact that you can push your physiology harder than it was intended with this exogenous input, and I would say that long-term, the clean rider is going to fare much better.
 
deviant said:
Trek factory racing today had Zubeldia withdraw due to sickness, he is reported to have raced while sick yesterday and lasted 20km before abandoning today....Hondo failed to start due to sinusitis and bronchitis and Arredondo started the day with stomach issues....Trek's PR states there are stomach problems going around.

The forum would go into meltdown if this was team Sky.
Considering two of those are known dopers and not many would have trouble throwing the third down the river...
 

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