Rider admits guilt

[hrotha]

You are way off. YOu are jumping to conclusions about me when you don't even know me.
I know how difficult it can be because I have been through it. I gave up a career I loved because of the corruptness of it. I tried to maintain my morals and integrity but when I started to waver I knew it was time for me to leave. And I was a success. And I did go to authorities on the issues to expose it and am still involved in outing the truth. So don't give me your BS.
And yes, you did insult me by challenging my integrity. And I don't take back my comment however immature it may be.

What Caruut said.

In addition, I don't think saying someone wouldn't be a hero is an insult. Heroism is not for everyone and cannot be the standard asked of people. I also don't believe dopers are corrupt folk without any ethics, because the world is not black and white. Therefore, even assuming your situation was similar to the one described in this thread, I don't feel I was questioning your integrity. There are things a human being can hardly be asked to stand against.

But if I didn't call you a self-important idiot now I wouldn't be at ease.

 

[SVThumper]

Ok so at least my post created a bit of debate here. Thanks.

Follow up questions I thought about would be

What might the circumstances be that would cause a rider to open up?
Without the backup of a positive test could the rider actually be sanctioned just through a confession. My word against yours stuff.

We seem to think that there are a lot of riders out there who are possibly on something. What could we the cycling community (and by that I mean everyone from teams, fans and the governing bodies) do to get riders to confess.

Could there be some sort of anonymous call line even. Bit like what we have here for the police with their Crime Stoppers number.
Could there be a confess now and we’ll not sanction you clause? You get to keep your results etc. Anything after this and you get a bigger ban if you’re caught and we’ll erase all your previous results since time began.

I don’t know the right or wrong answers here but I feel that until we can get riders to feel safe in doing so the doping problem will always be a bigger one. Doping will never go away but it sure might help.

 

[Mongol_Waaijer]

Ok so at least my post created a bit of debate here. Thanks.

Follow up questions I thought about would be

What might the circumstances be that would cause a rider to open up?
Without the backup of a positive test could the rider actually be sanctioned just through a confession. My word against yours stuff.

We seem to think that there are a lot of riders out there who are possibly on something. What could we the cycling community (and by that I mean everyone from teams, fans and the governing bodies) do to get riders to confess.

Could there be some sort of anonymous call line even. Bit like what we have here for the police with their Crime Stoppers number.
Could there be a confess now and we’ll not sanction you clause? You get to keep your results etc. Anything after this and you get a bigger ban if you’re caught and we’ll erase all your previous results since time began.

I don’t know the right or wrong answers here but I feel that until we can get riders to feel safe in doing so the doping problem will always be a bigger one. Doping will never go away but it sure might help.

I think a rider who is ready to retire or has found another job might do it, especially if this job was nothing to do with cycling and not reliant upon him being seen as pure as the driven snow. Add to that him being tired, bored and disillusioned with the sport and that might help motivation. Especially if the rider in question had a social network outside the sport and never really fitted in.

Of course if he had just been not offered a new contract, or dropped from the A team, or had a public row with another rider, or a DS, or the UCI etc he's leaving ammunition for a smear campaign and would have to think carefully.

 

[veganrob]

An idiot is not made by one conclusion jumped to. Your post definitely came across to me like that, though now you say a bit more about yourself, it seems like you know better than most on this thread what it would be like.

If he knew about your personal situation, then of course what he said would be offensive. Why get offended when people assume you just an average guy, how are they to know any better until you tell them? Having done what you've done, you must have seen plenty of good people think about blowing the whistle and not do so - surely you would agree that saying "I would come clean" is far easier than actually doing so.

Jump to conclusion? Asssume? Right , that is what gets people into trouble.

I am just an average person that tries to do the right thing. Isn't that what we are supposed to do. Doesn't make one better or special.

I will admit calling another forum member an idiot was wrong, but his accusations were idiotic and unfounded. Kind of like the bully/coward.

See Hrotha

 

[hrotha]

Jump to conclusion? Asssume? Right , that is what gets people into trouble.

I am just an average person that tries to do the right thing. Isn't that what we are supposed to do. Doesn't make one better or special.

I will admit calling another forum member an idiot was wrong, but his accusations were idiotic and unfounded. Kind of like the bully/coward.

See Hrotha

Right, this is where I ask you to explain what you did in detail, to see if it really compares to the hypothetical scenario discussed here.

 

[Caruut]

Jump to conclusion? Asssume? Right , that is what gets people into trouble.

I am just an average person that tries to do the right thing. Isn't that what we are supposed to do. Doesn't make one better or special.

I will admit calling another forum member an idiot was wrong, but his accusations were idiotic and unfounded. Kind of like the bully/coward.

See Hrotha

Stop portraying yourself as a victim - if you want people to know your experience relevant to the case, you should have told them.

If someone immediately believes everyone who presented themselves as an expert online without any other proof, that would make them a fool.

 

[hfer07]

but I wanted to pose the following hypothetical situation. (please go easy on me)

What would happen if a well known current rider, from a top tier team, admitted using all kinds of PEDs/blood doping over the last 5 or so years?

How would he be treated by his team/the peloton/the UCI/his fans/cycling fans in general and even here at the clinic? What might the long term repercussions of his actions be for the sport of cycling?

Some things to bear in mind about this fictional rider.

1. He has been riding professionally for 5 or 6 years and still has a few good years racing left in him.
2. He’s a popular rider and seen as a generally all right guy.
3. He comes from the fictional country of Belfrancery.
4. He has maybe 1 classics win to his name, a stage win in a grand tour, a couple of top 10 places in some bigger stage races and a few minor race victories.
5. He has never been tested positive for anything or even come close to it.
6. When coming clean he details everything, spills the beans on all those that have helped him over the years and implicates a few other riders.

Let’s face it we all would love someone like this guy to have the guts to do this. But what if this actually happened? Would we love him or hate him? Would he even be allowed to get back on his bike again?

Sorry if this has been covered before but I couldn’t find it doing a quick search. Mods please feel free to delete this thread if it has.

Cheers

The problem with the "hypothetical" theories, as well as the Ifs, is that they only help to continue the speculation game & most of all- the denial of a reality that must be confronted.

to me -Like it or not- Bjarne Riis already did what you have suggested with your theories- he exposed his self doping regimen-it did not mean that much for many, since he kept the compromising details for himself, because of his current roll in the sport.
Landis & Hamilton are the only ones that have come "entirely" clean about their past-and as we already know what happened to them-some of us admire them for their bravery- other despise them to death for "exposing" the dirt that would have brought down the myth of LA to the grave....

 

[LaFlorecita]

If a rider did that, he'd be a hero, simple as that. I can't even begin to express how much valour it'd take. I don't think he'd have many fans outside of the Clinic though.

*facepalm* since when are drug cheats heroes?

 

[LaFlorecita]

The problem with the "hypothetical" theories, as well as the Ifs, is that they only help to continue the speculation game & most of all- the denial of a reality that must be confronted.

to me -Like it or not- Bjarne Riis already did what you have suggested with your theories- he exposed his self doping regimen-it did not mean that much for many, since he kept the compromising details for himself, because of his current roll in the sport.
Landis & Hamilton are the only ones that have come "entirely" clean about their past-and as we already know what happened to them-some of us admire them for their bravery- other despise them to death for "exposing" the dirt that would have brought down the myth of LA to the grave....

Bjarne is awesome. But not because he doped or admitted doping.

 

[hrotha]

*facepalm* since when are drug cheats heroes?

Since they do what this hypothetical scenario describes? It's right there in the OP?

 

[roundabout]

The problem with the "hypothetical" theories, as well as the Ifs, is that they only help to continue the speculation game & most of all- the denial of a reality that must be confronted.

to me -Like it or not- Bjarne Riis already did what you have suggested with your theories- he exposed his self doping regimen-it did not mean that much for many, since he kept the compromising details for himself, because of his current roll in the sport.
Landis & Hamilton are the only ones that have come "entirely" clean about their past-and as we already know what happened to them-some of us admire them for their bravery- other despise them to death for "exposing" the dirt that would have brought down the myth of LA to the grave....

Riis fails the majority of points on the OP list. But nice of you to use him as an example.