Riders we can believe in?

[LugHugger]

Posting as an unashamed fan boy, Tommy Voeckler

 

[roundabout]

There are a couple of riders reasonably high on the Giro GC that would surprise me a lot more than the rest should they be found doping.

Unfortunately, that's about as far as I'm willing to stick my neck out.

 

[luckyboy]

There are a couple of riders reasonably high on the Giro GC that would surprise me a lot more than the rest should they be found doping.

Unfortunately, that's about as far as I'm willing to stick my neck out.

Probably Dupont, Le Mevel and Lofkvist are the first three I would put any confidence in being clean.

 

[greatking88]

I'm 100% sure Philip Deignan is clean even though he rides for Shack. Dan Martin too. And to be honest I'm pretty sure guys that win the odd stage here or there are clean as well. I wouldnt believe in any of the big GC guys..

 

[forty four]

Hasn't Geo. Hincapies admissions (After all, he is Mr. Good guy,isn't he?) made this all silly speculation? We just have to wait tll they get caught red handed, then watch due process evolve. We're "spectators" from start to finish, so why spoil the fun by worrying about being able to trust men you don't even know? Fretting about who's clean and who is dirty, is a futile waste of time. Enjoy the spectacle of each race, or just go riding, yourself.

well put simply true that right on. then again a lot of epic fails on here (losers bitter weak men) there all slow and bitter losers i can only imagine such a life.... i look people in the eye and am respected my status on forums a non issue i feel for the lames got to suck.

 

[Eric8-A]

Andrew Talansky

 

[greatking88]

Dan Martin

 

[greenedge]

Cadel and Cav. Cadel because he takes an anti doping stance and Cav because i have an inkling, that he hates dopers and he does not need to dope. Menchov, Cancellara, Hushovd and Nibali also fit the bill too in my view.

 

[ChrisE]

Cadel and Cav. Cadel because he takes an anti doping stance and Cav because i have an inkling, that he hates dopers and he does not need to dope. Menchov, Cancellara, Hushovd and Nibali also fit the bill too in my view.

Menchov lol.

 

[armstrong]

Is Carlos Sastre viewed as having been clean? He's named in the other thread as a multiple-TDF winner in the absence of the dopers.

 

[The Hitch]

I believe the "gerraint is clean" idea comes from that passionate and imo convincing speech/rant Wiggins gave during the 07 Tour against doping. He gave Thomas as an example of someone doing the Tour on Bread and Water.

On the other hand he did a talk with LA on his youtube channel so he must be dirty

As for Gilbert well this is the basing accusations on performance idea. THe detractors to this are correct that you cant say that someone is definitely a doper based on performance.

But here is the case against Gilbert.

Whatever his fans say about his pre 2009 perforamnces, absolutely nothing in them would suggest he would come close to the feat he managed this year. To go from GW and some tour de med stage win at 25 to the quartet at 28.

Rebbellin at least was topping stage races and top 10ing gts. And we all know what he had to do to get the triple.

Gilbert comes up and gets the quartet in superior style. Every race he won easy. His time up FW beat Rebbelins.

If you look at the winners list at LBL and FW and AGR you get hall of fame of dopers. The guy he beat to second this year was a proven doper working with his highly suspicious brother and he did it with ease.

Admitedly all of this is an extension of the - Hes doping because hes good idea, but comparing with other dopers and asking how much of a superman must one be to destroy their accomplishments the way he did.

The case for him is that he says hes clean in an advert. The advert part is key here supposedly because ive heard pretty much every doper ever caught claim to be clean, in some cases gone to extreme lenghts (see other threads in clinic atm). But Gilbert does it in an advert for clean sport so maybe that is different. For me no but for others maybe.


Personaly I would say its unlikely that hes clean but you can form your own opinion by looking at the facts.

 

[jonny testaronny]

Thirds on Dan Martin. I'd wager all the Garmin boys are clean, now that Wiggins is gone. Too much at stake if one were to test positive--and the 2010 TDF "suspicion rankings" seem to corroborate that.

 

[kease7]

R Downing
Swift
Dowsett
Dan Martin
Tondo
Pinotti
Le Mevel
Roche

I think this a good place to start but they ain't many pro's who have signed up to it.

http://bikepure.org/riders-and-teams/pro-riders/

If you don't have hope why watch cycling

 

[Eric8-A]

Ben Swift

I believe a large majority of the youngsters coming into the sport are clean.

 

[The Hitch]

Is Carlos Sastre viewed as having been clean? He's named in the other thread as a multiple-TDF winner in the absence of the dopers.

Sastre falls possibly under the "rode for dirty teams hence could be doping" line. Rides for Gianneti now.

Also as a youth he trained with 3 others in a famous cycling school, i remember reading and 2 of them got caught i think. Or i could be wrong and none of them did. Someone like hrotha should be able to help out here.

Then there is the fact that he was a top top gt rider during a very very dirty period. He has something like 15 gt top 10's during the epo- cera era.

And both he and Cuddles (to answer greenedge) truimphed over an extraordinary circus of doping in 08. I mean Ricco and Kohl and Frank were absolutely doped to the gills and yet Cuddles and Sastre run away from them.

Cuddles also rides for a suspicious manager.
As bro deal says, if Cuddles doesnt dope, hes stupid because considering how close hes come in several gts against known dopers- Contador, Basso, Valverde, even a small ammount of microdosing would have won him it. He does consistently challenge different dopers though so he either is doping or is superhuman, and generally a patriotic allegiance to the guy is what pushes people to believe the latter.

Cadel and Cav. Cadel because he takes an anti doping stance and Cav because i have an inkling, that he hates dopers and he does not need to dope. Menchov, Cancellara, Hushovd and Nibali also fit the bill too in my view.

Cuddles - see above.

Cav hates Ricco but seems to have no problem with Pettachi nor Armstrong so im not sure if he hates dopers necessarily.

Incidentally thats nothing to do with whether his clean or not, i have no opinion on that, but just to rebutt your - he hates dopers claim.

Nibali was rumoured to be working with Dr Mikel but no concrete proof, but he does seem to be awefully cosy to Ivan for someone who almost had a gt taken away by a doper. In fact he claims to speak to Basso on the phone almost every day they are so close. So he clearly doesnt have any mental problem with doping.

I like Nibali but is he clean?

How many new italian gt riders have got to get caught before you say - im going to be cynical towards the next one.

Cancellara well, lets see, rode for Riis, dedicated to Frank and Andy Shcleck, so like the others doesnt have a moral problem against doping. Hes also bar Contador and Valverde - 2 proven dopers, the most amazing athlete in the sport of the last 5 years, winning everything he puts his mind to, usually with absolute ease. Could be clean, but again, unlikely imo.

Menchov. The races he won, if he really is clean then he would be Eddy Mercx if there was no doping. And i dont just mean - Giro, Vuelta. I mean the editions hes won. How many riders left in the top 7 of the 09 Giro still have credibility? Only the now Geox pair - Dennis and Carlos, have not failed a test.
He Rides for Gianneti so again, doesnt seem to be strongly against doping anyway.

Hushovd - nothing to say there really. Doesnt have much against him to my knowledge.

If you don't have hope why watch cycling

Cos i like it.

 

[The Hitch]

If you don't have hope why watch cycling

Cos i like it.

 

[compete_clean]

Agreed but in the past we've had Bassons, Delion, Mottet. Riders we can be pretty confident didn't dope.

Eric Caritoux, Greg Lemond, Andy Hampsten.


Today? Svein Tuft.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

David Moncoutié
Pierrick Fedrigo

I think I'm ok with Damiano Cunego 2007 onwards, but before then the Little Prince has all but admitted to it.
Xavier Tondó went to the police when offered products earlier in the year, which is hopeful, but then he also rode for LA-MSS in 2008 which is less so.
Linus Gerdemann 2009-11 perhaps? He volunteered to be chaperoned at all times in last year's Tour, and he certainly isn't the same rider that wore the yellow jersey at the Tour and won the Deutschlandtour anymore.

MANcouutie! LMAO...yeah ok then.

 

[pmcg76]

MANcouutie! LMAO...yeah ok then.

Not this again, you didnt even know who Moncoutie was last time around but were still slating him. Have you learned some unheard of news in the meantime.

 

[pmcg76]

Eric Caritoux, Greg Lemond, Andy Hampsten.


Today? Svein Tuft.

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I would be weary of using Caritoux as an example of a clean rider, Willy Voet said that he won the Vuelta in 84 cleanly but that he doped at other times in his career.

 

[delbified]

i've always thought doping was straightforward - if you listened to Lance, he clearly always tried to steer the discussion elsewhere or referred to not failing any tests. that's suspicious - how hard is it to condemn doping? the answer is - pretty hard if you know you're doped to the gills.

i'm a bit of a Cuddles fanboy so i try to be careful about not being too biased, but Cuddles is a straight shooter who openly makes reference to cheaters. if Lance couldn't look us in the eye and say it like it was, could Cuddles? i really think you can spot dopers by their behaviour - Ricco springs to mind. who would trust Vino, or Di Luca?

 

[ericthesportsman6]

Not bothered to read through the thread but David Moncoutie is a clean rider.

 

[movingtarget]

I think the podium girls may be clean..................this always seems a pointless discussion to me. There is no way of knowing that riders that don't win are not doping. It's all conjecture until they are caught or like Armstrong, condemned by many without ever being banned. And so it goes............

 

[delbified]

I think the podium girls may be clean..................

i prefer to think of them as dirty

 

[Franklin]

This is so easy.

Danilo di Luca.

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