Rigoberto Uran discussion thread.

[SeriousSam]

True. The apparent association of bad weather and inappropriate clothing with getting sick remains somewhat of a puzzle, with various explanations around.

 

[NairoQ]

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Things have just not gone according to plan at all. No team, no health.
Rigo needs to get his act together about protecting the chest from those colds. Same thing happened at the vuelta last year.

El sereno, Uran's kryptonite.

wtf is this? you do realize you can never get sick from coldness right? not a human being has ever gotten sick of that. you only become sick from bacteries and viruses. not cold, or rain or anything like that.

Kind of true, but still: when you're cold, viruses are more likely to multiply, and the resistance of your body against upcoming ilness is lower because of the fact that your body is 'working' harder to maintain its temperature.

 

[Hugo Koblet]

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He is done.
He went to Colombia and came back worse. We saw that in Romandie already. If he is really sick he should prepare for the Tour where the team will send a real team!!!!!!

He wouldn't get much support on the Tour team if he even makes the team. They will ride for Cavendish and Kwiatkowski.

if uran is there the team will obviously ride for cavendish and him then. kwiatkowski is no gc rider

I'm not so sure. Yeah, Uran would be allowed to ride for GC for sure, but I doubt they will give him much support to be honest. Kwiatkowski is a much bigger name, the regining World Champion and produces much better results than Uran, so they would back him 100%. Not for GC if Uran is there but on every stage Kwiatkowski has a chance to win, and that's a much better decision than supporting Uran for GC.

 

[bala v]

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He is done.
He went to Colombia and came back worse. We saw that in Romandie already. If he is really sick he should prepare for the Tour where the team will send a real team!!!!!!

He wouldn't get much support on the Tour team if he even makes the team. They will ride for Cavendish and Kwiatkowski.

if uran is there the team will obviously ride for cavendish and him then. kwiatkowski is no gc rider

I'm not so sure. Yeah, Uran would be allowed to ride for GC for sure, but I doubt they will give him much support to be honest. Kwiatkowski is a much bigger name, the regining World Champion and produces much better results than Uran, so they would back him 100%. Not for GC if Uran is there but on every stage Kwiatkowski has a chance to win, and that's a much better decision than supporting Uran for GC.

Bigger name in what? Maybe one-day races, not in GTs

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

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He is done.
He went to Colombia and came back worse. We saw that in Romandie already. If he is really sick he should prepare for the Tour where the team will send a real team!!!!!!

He wouldn't get much support on the Tour team if he even makes the team. They will ride for Cavendish and Kwiatkowski.

if uran is there the team will obviously ride for cavendish and him then. kwiatkowski is no gc rider

I'm not so sure. Yeah, Uran would be allowed to ride for GC for sure, but I doubt they will give him much support to be honest. Kwiatkowski is a much bigger name, the regining World Champion and produces much better results than Uran, so they would back him 100%. Not for GC if Uran is there but on every stage Kwiatkowski has a chance to win, and that's a much better decision than supporting Uran for GC.

bigger results? a world championship title and what else exactly?

 

[SeriousSam]

Amstel

 

[Netserk]

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He is done.
He went to Colombia and came back worse. We saw that in Romandie already. If he is really sick he should prepare for the Tour where the team will send a real team!!!!!!

He wouldn't get much support on the Tour team if he even makes the team. They will ride for Cavendish and Kwiatkowski.

if uran is there the team will obviously ride for cavendish and him then. kwiatkowski is no gc rider

I'm not so sure. Yeah, Uran would be allowed to ride for GC for sure, but I doubt they will give him much support to be honest. Kwiatkowski is a much bigger name, the regining World Champion and produces much better results than Uran, so they would back him 100%. Not for GC if Uran is there but on every stage Kwiatkowski has a chance to win, and that's a much better decision than supporting Uran for GC.

bigger results? a world championship title and what else exactly?

And what has Uran won?

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

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Amstel

is that a big race?

 

[Netserk]

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Amstel

is that a big race?

Bigger than Piemonte, which is the biggest race Uran has won...

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

I rate multiple gt podiums and stagewins higher than a wc title and the agr

 

[The Hitch]

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I rate multiple gt podiums and stagewins higher than a wc title and the agr

BTW. Who won the first GT Uran podiumed? It wasn't by any chance that Vincenzo Nibali fella who you claim there are 30 Colombians that can beat him?

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

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I rate multiple gt podiums and stagewins higher than a wc title and the agr

BTW. Who won the first GT Uran podiumed? It wasn't by any chance that Vincenzo Nibali fella who you claim there are 30 Colombians that can beat him?

oh, hello it's you again still stuck in 2010 with your head

 

[The Hitch]

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I rate multiple gt podiums and stagewins higher than a wc title and the agr

BTW. Who won the first GT Uran podiumed? It wasn't by any chance that Vincenzo Nibali fella who you claim there are 30 Colombians that can beat him?

oh, hello it's you again still stuck in 2010 with your head

So you admit Nibali>>>>> Uran?

 

[Netserk]

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I rate multiple gt podiums and stagewins higher than a wc title and the agr

Lol. Two 2nd places in the Giro and two stage wins. Wow. Just managed to beat old man Evans in the first. World champion is of course bigger than that. But since you count everything Uran has done, you might as well add Liege and Fleche podium, Strade Bianche win, Algarve win etc.

The whole point was who to back in the Tour. Uran who won't get in the top-5 and won't be able to win any stages, or Kwiatkowski who is in stripes, can win stages and very likely to wear yellow in the first week.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

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I rate multiple gt podiums and stagewins higher than a wc title and the agr

Lol. Two 2nd places in the Giro and two stage wins. Wow. Just managed to beat old man Evans in the first. World champion is of course bigger than that. But since you count everything Uran has done, you might as well add Liege and Fleche podium, Strade Bianche win, Algarve win etc.

The whole point was who to back in the Tour. Uran who won't get in the top-5 and won't be able to win any stages, or Kwiatkowski who is in stripes, can win stages and very likely to wear yellow in the first week.

podium places in classics don't matter. all that matters are wins and wins and podiums in gt's.

 

[Hugo Koblet]

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I rate multiple gt podiums and stagewins higher than a wc title and the agr

You might be the only one then.

In all seriousness, noone in their right mind would back Uran over Kwiatkowski in the Tour.

 

[Escarabajo]

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Things have just not gone according to plan at all. No team, no health.
Rigo needs to get his act together about protecting the chest from those colds. Same thing happened at the vuelta last year.

El sereno, Uran's kryptonite.

wtf is this? you do realize you can never get sick from coldness right? not a human being has ever gotten sick of that. you only become sick from bacteries and viruses. not cold, or rain or anything like that.

The colder temperatures in your body lower the defense of the immune system. That's why a change of temperature triggers the sick season anywhere in the world. Especially for people from Countries that are not exposed to such changes.

I used to get sick back in the school days, everytime the weather changed drastically. And just like me many latin guys. We got better at this over time. But never like the Americans. Ask your Doctor why the colder temeperatures trigger the sick season around the world if you don't believe it.

 

[Escarabajo]

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I rate multiple gt podiums and stagewins higher than a wc title and the agr

You might be the only one then.

In all seriousness, noone in their right mind would back Uran over Kwiatkowski in the Tour.

I would not back up Kwiat either. He is not a proven GT contender by any means. And he can hunt stages on his own just like Uran. Different to Cavendish IMHO, which requires a whole entourage of people. Amazingly enough for that old idiot that is over the hill. I would not care for neither one but since they are paying the money you would have to back up Cavendish.

The statement that you made about Nobody in the right mind would not choose Uran over Kwiat on a GT is not accurate. Really. This is not a Classic. Wake me up when Kwiat becomes a known commodity for the GT's.
Thanks.

 

[carton]

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He is done.
He went to Colombia and came back worse. We saw that in Romandie already. If he is really sick he should prepare for the Tour where the team will send a real team!!!!!!

He wouldn't get much support on the Tour team if he even makes the team. They will ride for Cavendish and Kwiatkowski.

if uran is there the team will obviously ride for cavendish and him then. kwiatkowski is no gc rider

I'm not so sure. Yeah, Uran would be allowed to ride for GC for sure, but I doubt they will give him much support to be honest. Kwiatkowski is a much bigger name, the regining World Champion and produces much better results than Uran, so they would back him 100%. Not for GC if Uran is there but on every stage Kwiatkowski has a chance to win, and that's a much better decision than supporting Uran for GC.

Lefevere will clearly always go for the stages rather than the GC, particularly in this years Tour were even a podium is unlikely. However, Kwiatkowski can expect plenty of support in stages where he has a really good shot at winning. If on the other hand he gets dropped I doubt he'll get much support, he'll probably be expected to drop back to the gruppeto on his own. Uran will have probably have some support all throughout the flat stages, and as much as possible (which is to say likely very little) in the mountains, even though he'll probably only be aiming for a top-5.

As to how star power, sure, the rainbow jersey places a halo on the Pole. He has a bigger spotlight at the moment, no doubt. However, the moment the jersey changes hands everything changes. I don't remember the last time Rui Costa's name was even mentioned on this site this year. Uran gets articles written exclusively about him all the time. Even this year, EQS just made a pretty big effort to launch a Spanish version of their website. I doubt it's for De la Cruz's benefit. Maybe it'll be on in time for the Tour, but I've yet to see anything about a Polish version coming out (and Poland is an EU country).

I would also think it depends on the contract situation. If the current situation holds were Kwiatkoswki is all but gone and the team is still wooing Rigo, I'm guessing in that case he'll most definitely be getting the seat next to Cav on the bus.

 

[bala v]

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I rate multiple gt podiums and stagewins higher than a wc title and the agr

You might be the only one then.

In all seriousness, noone in their right mind would back Uran over Kwiatkowski in the Tour.

Backed Kwiatkowski for What? Stages? He can do that on his own. Id backed Rigo anytime over Kwiatkowski for the GC

 

[The Hitch]

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He is done.
He went to Colombia and came back worse. We saw that in Romandie already. If he is really sick he should prepare for the Tour where the team will send a real team!!!!!!

He wouldn't get much support on the Tour team if he even makes the team. They will ride for Cavendish and Kwiatkowski.

if uran is there the team will obviously ride for cavendish and him then. kwiatkowski is no gc rider

I'm not so sure. Yeah, Uran would be allowed to ride for GC for sure, but I doubt they will give him much support to be honest. Kwiatkowski is a much bigger name, the regining World Champion and produces much better results than Uran, so they would back him 100%. Not for GC if Uran is there but on every stage Kwiatkowski has a chance to win, and that's a much better decision than supporting Uran for GC.

Lefevere will clearly always go for the stages rather than the GC, particularly in this years Tour were even a podium is unlikely. However, Kwiatkowski can expect plenty of support in stages where he has a really good shot at winning. If on the other hand he gets dropped I doubt he'll get much support, he'll probably be expected to drop back to the gruppeto on his own. Uran will have probably have some support all throughout the flat stages, and as much as possible (which is to say likely very little) in the mountains, even though he'll probably only be aiming for a top-5.

As to how star power, sure, the rainbow jersey places a halo on the Pole. He has a bigger spotlight at the moment, no doubt. However, the moment the jersey changes hands everything changes. I don't remember the last time Rui Costa's name was even mentioned on this site this year. Uran gets articles written exclusively about him all the time. Even this year, EQS just made a pretty big effort to launch a Spanish version of their website. I doubt it's for De la Cruz's benefit. Maybe it'll be on in time for the Tour, but I've yet to see anything about a Polish version coming out (and Poland is an EU country).

I would also think it depends on the contract situation. If the current situation holds were Kwiatkoswki is all but gone and the team is still wooing Rigo, I'm guessing in that case he'll most definitely be getting the seat next to Cav on the bus.

There are 40 million Polish speakers in the world about 2 % maybe of active pros and staff are Polish speakers, and there is 1 wt week race.

There are like 1 billion Spanish speakers in the world, about 1/3 of all active pros and staff speak Spanish, Spanish speakers have been by far the most dominant group over the last 2 decades, one of the three gts is Spanish.

I can see the reason why they would launch a Spanish version over a Polish one, and it doesn't have to be because they value Uran higher.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

they do it because they value uran's popularity higher

 

[DBotero]

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I rate multiple gt podiums and stagewins higher than a wc title and the agr

You might be the only one then.

In all seriousness, noone in their right mind would back Uran over Kwiatkowski in the Tour.

I would back Uran in Le Tour any time over Kwiatkowski,ups i might be crazy

 

[Hugo Koblet]

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I rate multiple gt podiums and stagewins higher than a wc title and the agr

You might be the only one then.

In all seriousness, noone in their right mind would back Uran over Kwiatkowski in the Tour.

I would not back up Kwiat either. He is not a proven GT contender by any means. And he can hunt stages on his own just like Uran. Different to Cavendish IMHO, which requires a whole entourage of people. Amazingly enough for that old idiot that is over the hill. I would not care for neither one but since they are paying the money you would have to back up Cavendish.

The statement that you made about Nobody in the right mind would not choose Uran over Kwiat on a GT is not accurate. Really. This is not a Classic. Wake me up when Kwiat becomes a known commodity for the GT's.
Thanks.

I never said that they should back him for the GC over Uran. If they EQS want the best GC result as possible, sure they would go with Uran. However, as I've already said, Kwiatkowski has a lot more publicity value than Uran, and Kwiatkowski can win multiple stages unlike Uran, who would be challenging for a rather anonymous 5th place in the GC at best.

 

[carton]

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He wouldn't get much support on the Tour team if he even makes the team. They will ride for Cavendish and Kwiatkowski.

if uran is there the team will obviously ride for cavendish and him then. kwiatkowski is no gc rider

I'm not so sure. Yeah, Uran would be allowed to ride for GC for sure, but I doubt they will give him much support to be honest. Kwiatkowski is a much bigger name, the regining World Champion and produces much better results than Uran, so they would back him 100%. Not for GC if Uran is there but on every stage Kwiatkowski has a chance to win, and that's a much better decision than supporting Uran for GC.

Lefevere will clearly always go for the stages rather than the GC, particularly in this years Tour were even a podium is unlikely. However, Kwiatkowski can expect plenty of support in stages where he has a really good shot at winning. If on the other hand he gets dropped I doubt he'll get much support, he'll probably be expected to drop back to the gruppeto on his own. Uran will have probably have some support all throughout the flat stages, and as much as possible (which is to say likely very little) in the mountains, even though he'll probably only be aiming for a top-5.

As to how star power, sure, the rainbow jersey places a halo on the Pole. He has a bigger spotlight at the moment, no doubt. However, the moment the jersey changes hands everything changes. I don't remember the last time Rui Costa's name was even mentioned on this site this year. Uran gets articles written exclusively about him all the time. Even this year, EQS just made a pretty big effort to launch a Spanish version of their website. I doubt it's for De la Cruz's benefit. Maybe it'll be on in time for the Tour, but I've yet to see anything about a Polish version coming out (and Poland is an EU country).

I would also think it depends on the contract situation. If the current situation holds were Kwiatkoswki is all but gone and the team is still wooing Rigo, I'm guessing in that case he'll most definitely be getting the seat next to Cav on the bus.

There are 40 million Polish speakers in the world about 2 % maybe of active pros and staff are Polish speakers, and there is 1 wt week race.

There are like 1 billion Spanish speakers in the world, about 1/3 of all active pros and staff speak Spanish, Spanish speakers have been by far the most dominant group over the last 2 decades, one of the three gts is Spanish.

I can see the reason why they would launch a Spanish version over a Polish one, and it doesn't have to be because they value Uran higher.

I think you're making my point for me. Uran is a bigger overall star and has wider global reach. The Spanish website reference was alluding to the fact that he probably gets more clicks, even with Kwiato being world champion, and the team knows this.

I wasn't really referring to how much the team values each. Lefevere has been really supportive of Kwiatkoswki since he was a kid. I'm sure he values him really a great deal. However, to your point, it's hard enough to drive traffic to cycling blogs. The people who click on a team's website are the really hardcore fans. I'm guessing more clicks are coming from Colombia than all other Spanish-speaking countries put together (400M native Spanish speakers, BTW). Ettix and Quickstep seem to make the vast majority of their sales in Europe and the US. It doesn't seem like they have much if any presence in Latin America (unlike, say, Movistar). Meanwhile Poland is an EU country with a total GDP over 50% higher than Colombia's, and looks like a very good market for both brands. So yeah, it seems like unless FSA and Specialized and other sponsors are really pushing this (again, that would back up what I said in the previous paragraph), the team is making a real effort to cater to Uran's fans at least partly for his benefit.

BTW, EQS have already stated that Uran is going for the Tour. It seemed to me that they relented to having him go for the Giro again due to the parcours and his own wishes when they really wanted him fresh for the Tour.