Rio 2016 Olympic Road Race and Time Trial courses

[DFA123]

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Australian team is Porte, Dennis and Gerrans - Gerrans is a staggering selection as he has nothing to offer Porte - Needed another strong engine like a Sutherland type - Sooner Brad McGee is out of the Olympics program the better.

Gerrans has more chance of getting a medal than Porte. Not a great chance admittedly, but he's at least got some impressive one day results. Porte has done absolutely nothing in one day races in his whole career, because he doesn't have even one skill that can win them.

 

[Max Rockatansky]

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I also thought Australia had qualified 4 places?

Yes they have.

My guess is that they will use this fourth place for one of their track riders, like Germany will do with Levy. Definitely interesting. I wonder how small the peloton in Innsbruck will be in two years.

Porte and Dennis will also compete in the itt.

 

[Gigs_98]

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Australian team is Porte, Dennis and Gerrans - Gerrans is a staggering selection as he has nothing to offer Porte - Needed another strong engine like a Sutherland type - Sooner Brad McGee is out of the Olympics program the better.

Gerrans has more chance of getting a medal than Porte. Not a great chance admittedly, but he's at least got some impressive one day results. Porte has done absolutely nothing in one day races in his whole career, because he doesn't have even one skill that can win them.

Porte on a few days is one of the best climbers in the world. If he has one of those days during the Olympics he maybe can't win the race but there might be the chance to get a medal if he is in a small group after the last climb. However that chance is extremely small and I think he should rather attack early since the race will be extremely hard to control and there might be a chance for a late break.

 

[DFA123]

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Australian team is Porte, Dennis and Gerrans - Gerrans is a staggering selection as he has nothing to offer Porte - Needed another strong engine like a Sutherland type - Sooner Brad McGee is out of the Olympics program the better.

Gerrans has more chance of getting a medal than Porte. Not a great chance admittedly, but he's at least got some impressive one day results. Porte has done absolutely nothing in one day races in his whole career, because he doesn't have even one skill that can win them.

Porte on a few days is one of the best climbers in the world. If he has one of those days during the Olympics he maybe can't win the race but there might be the chance to get a medal if he is in a small group after the last climb. However that chance is extremely small and I think he should rather attack early since the race will be extremely hard to control and there might be a chance for a late break.

He's one of the best climbers in the world only during week long stage races - or during the first MTF of a GT. He can't handle the constant changes between anaerobic and aerobic that one day races demand - can't see that changing. I assumed they've just picked him as he's one of their best TT riders for this course - not because they actually think he can do anything in the road race.

 

[yaco]

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Australian team is Porte, Dennis and Gerrans - Gerrans is a staggering selection as he has nothing to offer Porte - Needed another strong engine like a Sutherland type - Sooner Brad McGee is out of the Olympics program the better.

Stupid team imo. Gerrans is complete nonsense, no doubt about that, but anyway Porte is no favorite. It's unlikely he will drop everyone on the climb, he isn't an outstanding descender and his sprint is probably the worst of the peloton. He would need to finish alone but I really don't see that happening so he doesn't need anyone who works for him. Instead Australia needs more riders who could attack early and try to anticipate. Gerrans is definitely not going to do that and I'm not sure if Dennis is the guy to do that, but anyway if I understood everything correctly Gerrans is going for a medal, so Dennis will probably work for him.

Dennis is one of the favorites for the TT but can help in the mountains - Thought Australia qualified 4 riders, so having 3 riders made selection more problematic but Gerrans is a poor option - After thinking for 5 seconds Sutherland/Hansen/McCarthy are better options.

 

[yaco]

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Australian team is Porte, Dennis and Gerrans - Gerrans is a staggering selection as he has nothing to offer Porte - Needed another strong engine like a Sutherland type - Sooner Brad McGee is out of the Olympics program the better.

I agree that Gerrans isn't the best pick but in reality why would you send riders to support Porte? He won't medal in the race anyway. Can't really think of any Australian rider who would be a chance in this

Porte can win the race if he has a good day, though I fear the Colombians have the gold medal wrapped up.

 

[yaco]

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Australian team is Porte, Dennis and Gerrans - Gerrans is a staggering selection as he has nothing to offer Porte - Needed another strong engine like a Sutherland type - Sooner Brad McGee is out of the Olympics program the better.

Gerrans has more chance of getting a medal than Porte. Not a great chance admittedly, but he's at least got some impressive one day results. Porte has done absolutely nothing in one day races in his whole career, because he doesn't have even one skill that can win them.

I'll allow you to continue to embarrass yourself in this thread - The cycling selectors throughout the world have got it wrong ccording to your posts - They should seek your counsel.

 

[DFA123]

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Australian team is Porte, Dennis and Gerrans - Gerrans is a staggering selection as he has nothing to offer Porte - Needed another strong engine like a Sutherland type - Sooner Brad McGee is out of the Olympics program the better.

Gerrans has more chance of getting a medal than Porte. Not a great chance admittedly, but he's at least got some impressive one day results. Porte has done absolutely nothing in one day races in his whole career, because he doesn't have even one skill that can win them.

I'll allow you to continue to embarrass yourself in this thread - The cycling selectors throughout the world have got it wrong ccording to your posts - They should seek your counsel.

Gerrans is 20/1 to win the road race with the bookies. Porte is 150/1. I guess they are embarrassing themselves as well.

 

[yaco]

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Australian team is Porte, Dennis and Gerrans - Gerrans is a staggering selection as he has nothing to offer Porte - Needed another strong engine like a Sutherland type - Sooner Brad McGee is out of the Olympics program the better.

Gerrans has more chance of getting a medal than Porte. Not a great chance admittedly, but he's at least got some impressive one day results. Porte has done absolutely nothing in one day races in his whole career, because he doesn't have even one skill that can win them.

I'll allow you to continue to embarrass yourself in this thread - The cycling selectors throughout the world have got it wrong ccording to your posts - They should seek your counsel.

Gerrans is 20/1 to win the road race with the bookies. Porte is 150/1. I guess they are embarrassing themselves as well.

There is a reason why bookies make money - Lots of suckers in the world.

 

[DFA123]

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Australian team is Porte, Dennis and Gerrans - Gerrans is a staggering selection as he has nothing to offer Porte - Needed another strong engine like a Sutherland type - Sooner Brad McGee is out of the Olympics program the better.

Gerrans has more chance of getting a medal than Porte. Not a great chance admittedly, but he's at least got some impressive one day results. Porte has done absolutely nothing in one day races in his whole career, because he doesn't have even one skill that can win them.

I'll allow you to continue to embarrass yourself in this thread - The cycling selectors throughout the world have got it wrong ccording to your posts - They should seek your counsel.

Gerrans is 20/1 to win the road race with the bookies. Porte is 150/1. I guess they are embarrassing themselves as well.

There is a reason why bookies make money - Lots of suckers in the world.

OK. That must be it. Not just that you've called it completely wrongly. Thinking Porte should be a leader backed with domestiques for a one day race.

 

[Mr.White]

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Australian team is Porte, Dennis and Gerrans - Gerrans is a staggering selection as he has nothing to offer Porte - Needed another strong engine like a Sutherland type - Sooner Brad McGee is out of the Olympics program the better.

I agree that Gerrans isn't the best pick but in reality why would you send riders to support Porte? He won't medal in the race anyway. Can't really think of any Australian rider who would be a chance in this

Porte can win the race if he has a good day, though I fear the Colombians have the gold medal wrapped up.

:surprised: :lol:

 

[Max Rockatansky]

Slovenia brings Roglic, Spilak and Polanc.

 

[StryderHells]

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Australian team is Porte, Dennis and Gerrans - Gerrans is a staggering selection as he has nothing to offer Porte - Needed another strong engine like a Sutherland type - Sooner Brad McGee is out of the Olympics program the better.

Stupid team imo. Gerrans is complete nonsense, no doubt about that, but anyway Porte is no favorite. It's unlikely he will drop everyone on the climb, he isn't an outstanding descender and his sprint is probably the worst of the peloton. He would need to finish alone but I really don't see that happening so he doesn't need anyone who works for him. Instead Australia needs more riders who could attack early and try to anticipate. Gerrans is definitely not going to do that and I'm not sure if Dennis is the guy to do that, but anyway if I understood everything correctly Gerrans is going for a medal, so Dennis will probably work for him.

Dennis is one of the favorites for the TT but can help in the mountains - Thought Australia qualified 4 riders, so having 3 riders made selection more problematic but Gerrans is a poor option - After thinking for 5 seconds Sutherland/Hansen/McCarthy are better options.

What mountains?

 

[dirkprovin]

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I also thought Australia had qualified 4 places?

Yes they have.

My guess is that they will use this fourth place for one of their track riders, like Germany will do with Levy. Definitely interesting. I wonder how small the peloton in Innsbruck will be in two years.

Porte and Dennis will also compete in the itt.

This seems to be the consensus. The problem is that the RR is before the track program begins. The T/P are narrow gold medal favourites and do you compromise that by risking key assets in the RR where they could be injured in crashes.

Bobridge would be useless as a grunt in any case. Edmondson is a neo-pro who's been impressive so far but not his terrain. Hepburn is a massive flat land engine but again not his terrain, though he did some enormous turns on final mountain stage of Giro for Chaves. Other T/P men are juniors. O'Shea (omnium) is useless in T/P and has never made the grade on the road. Notionally they could call on the mountain biker but unsure of his road experience.

It would seem that they are seeing the TT as medal option. If it were a hill/mountain-top finish, there would be some notional chance for Porte but it isnt and he's not going to win out of a group finish. Gerrans is the one with the one day pedigree but is this course too hard ?

 

[TMP402]

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I also thought Australia had qualified 4 places?

Yes they have.

My guess is that they will use this fourth place for one of their track riders, like Germany will do with Levy. Definitely interesting. I wonder how small the peloton in Innsbruck will be in two years.

Porte and Dennis will also compete in the itt.

This seems to be the consensus. The problem is that the RR is before the track program begins. The T/P are narrow gold medal favourites and do you compromise that by risking key assets in the RR where they could be injured in crashes.

Bobridge would be useless as a grunt in any case. Edmondson is a neo-pro who's been impressive so far but not his terrain. Hepburn is a massive flat land engine but again not his terrain, though he did some enormous turns on final mountain stage of Giro for Chaves. Other T/P men are juniors. O'Shea (omnium) is useless in T/P and has never made the grade on the road. Notionally they could call on the mountain biker but unsure of his road experience.

It would seem that they are seeing the TT as medal option. If it were a hill/mountain-top finish, there would be some notional chance for Porte but it isnt and he's not going to win out of a group finish. Gerrans is the one with the one day pedigree but is this course too hard ?

You don't need to strategise: if they use a spot for a track rider, said rider will just DNF after about 2km. It's a well-known loophole - in 2012, I think Bourgain DNF'd the road race in the neutral zone. If you've ever seen the size of Levy, you'd know he's not likely to win the Olympic road race. Or indeed any race on any road.

 

[dick the quick]

Poland:
Maciej Bodnar (RR, TT)
Michal Golas (RR)
Michal Kwiatkowski (RR, TT)
Rafal Majka (RR)

 

[yaco]

Teams continue to select climber types for a NOT VERY hilly course.

Gerrans found today too tough - And today's stage had similarities with the Olympics RR course.

 

[DFA123]

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Teams continue to select climber types for a NOT VERY hilly course.

Gerrans found today too tough - And today's stage had similarities with the Olympics RR course.

Yep, and it was won convincingly by a puncheur.

 

[Adam78]

Poland:
Maciej Bodnar (RR, TT)
Michal Golas (RR)
Michal Kwiatkowski (RR, TT)
Rafal Majka (RR)

Kwiato out of form, I don't think he will achieve something in RR. Poljanski should be in the team to help Majka.

 

[StryderHells]

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Teams continue to select climber types for a NOT VERY hilly course.

Gerrans found today too tough - And today's stage had similarities with the Olympics RR course.

Well we won't have teams as strong as Sky and Movistar driving the pace to make the selection and reel in the attacks. Rio is a hilly course no doubt but not hilly enough to mean a puncheur doesn't have a good chance to win

 

[yaco]

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Teams continue to select climber types for a NOT VERY hilly course.

Gerrans found today too tough - And today's stage had similarities with the Olympics RR course.

Yep, and it was won convincingly by a puncheur.

Yeah - After the peleton allowed the breakaway 15 minutes - This won't happen in the Olympics RR.

 

[Max Rockatansky]

Venezuela will send Ubeto and of course...

EL CONDOR!!!

Just to bring a little bit of DAOTEC into this.

 

[SafeBet]

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Yeah - After the peleton allowed the breakaway 15 minutes - This won't happen in the Olympics RR.

Who's going to pull? Most teams won't even have a proper rouleur for the flat. This race could be decided 100 km from the finish if a decent break gets a gap.

 

[Gigs_98]

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Yeah - After the peleton allowed the breakaway 15 minutes - This won't happen in the Olympics RR.

Who's going to pull? Most teams won't even have a proper rouleur for the flat. This race could be decided 100 km from the finish if a decent break gets a gap.

Just that in the Olympics there will probably be better climbers in the break if there is a successful break. The field is just so full of strong climbers that it's hard to believe GVA has a chance. Moreover the final climb of the olympics is clearly harder than the climbs in yesterdays stage.

 

[TourOfSardinia]

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Cumming wins things without much back up -
he would better change nationality to say Lichtenstein.
It's a shame the BC establishment has no tendency towards of meritocracy.

bump

now 4 wins this year
match that