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The reason people have lied since the dawn of language: they think they can get away with it.Poursuivant said:
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Back to racing, he seemed very concerned with Quintana and Landa back into the game, criticizing the lack of cooperation in the descent. I think he's not happy with the way Aru rode.
That's definitely a mistake on his part.deValtos said:
Back to racing, he seemed very concerned with Quintana and Landa back into the game, criticizing the lack of cooperation in the descent. I think he's not happy with the way Aru rode.
I think it's one of yesterday's losers.
After the beautiful victory of peyragudes, I expected him to try to put froome in trouble on the final climb. But above all , with latour and gastauer I expected to keep landacloser, but came to almost 3 minutes at some point.
Maybe the goal was to send vuillermoz as a point of support for the final, but when he saw that he could not stand with quintana and barguil he would have to make the team work more coordinated to get closer to landa.
if I was a journalist I would have asked him some informations about it
After the beautiful victory of peyragudes, I expected him to try to put froome in trouble on the final climb. But above all , with latour and gastauer I expected to keep landacloser, but came to almost 3 minutes at some point.
Maybe the goal was to send vuillermoz as a point of support for the final, but when he saw that he could not stand with quintana and barguil he would have to make the team work more coordinated to get closer to landa.
if I was a journalist I would have asked him some informations about it
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That was the point, but what Sky achieved with Kwiatkowski, AG2R didn't with Vuillermoz.Matteo. said:I think it's one of yesterday's losers.
After the beautiful victory of peyragudes, I expected him to try to put froome in trouble on the final climb. But above all , with latour and gastauer I expected to keep landacloser, but came to almost 3 minutes at some point.
Maybe the goal was to send vuillermoz as a point of support for the final, but when he saw that he could not stand with quintana and barguil he would have to make the team work more coordinated to get closer to landa.
if I was a journalist I would have asked him some informations about it
He lost 4 seconds on Froome and Uran but took back 21 seconds on Aru.
This finish wasn't ideally suited to his qualities so overall it's okay. And I think a scenario with Froome in yellow and Landa in domestic duties is better.
This finish wasn't ideally suited to his qualities so overall it's okay. And I think a scenario with Froome in yellow and Landa in domestic duties is better.
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Yes, i finally agreeAlexandre B. said:That was the point, but what Sky achieved with Kwiatkowski, AG2R didn't with Vuillermoz.Matteo. said:I think it's one of yesterday's losers.
After the beautiful victory of peyragudes, I expected him to try to put froome in trouble on the final climb. But above all , with latour and gastauer I expected to keep landacloser, but came to almost 3 minutes at some point.
Maybe the goal was to send vuillermoz as a point of support for the final, but when he saw that he could not stand with quintana and barguil he would have to make the team work more coordinated to get closer to landa.
if I was a journalist I would have asked him some informations about it
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No it isn't. If an attacker goes, Landa won't go with them and pull them back because of the current situation. Which means that Froome won't work in this scenario and will be fresh for the final which means that Aru/Bardet/Uran's gains, if any, wouldn't be enough for TT (in the other scenario, Landa joins the attackers and goes rogue which means that Froome wastes himself chasing Landa Gr.(and possibly Quintana, too) before Aru/Bardet/Uran trio try to drop Froome with everything they got and may get minutes on Froome)Alexandre B. said:
So what? Quintana was still a problem before that. He could easily have reduced the gap, but chose not to.
So the gap to Quintana and Landa was irrelevant to what he said? He may have wanted a different scenario after the descent, but he could just as well have done something about that himself with his team before that, so he wouldn't be so dependent on the cooperation of others.
I missed yesterday's stage, I was moving and off-line for two days, and now catching up. And I still read the same mix-up, folks who don't know who makes the decisions but are so eager to take an anti-French stance that they go on rants...the bitter...after Demare, now it's Bardet. Sour grapes, if you ask me...cry me a river, Sagan was DQed...
I don't know what Romain said. If he wasn't honest, I'm disappointed. I was off-line for two days and will make my opinion. Regardless, I sense some fear in some of the posts. Yep, Romain Bardet is for real. Be afraid: he may finish 5th, but he may also win the whole thing.
The sad thing is that some here would try to spin it, like there was a grand design, a conspiracy. The truth is on the bike, Bardet is where he deserves to be, let's enjoy and stop the negativity.
I'm a fan of cycling, much more than any rider. My favorite should be home resting, he's toast from the Giro. Still, I enjoy Le Tour. I enjoy cycling...that's all.
I don't know what Romain said. If he wasn't honest, I'm disappointed. I was off-line for two days and will make my opinion. Regardless, I sense some fear in some of the posts. Yep, Romain Bardet is for real. Be afraid: he may finish 5th, but he may also win the whole thing.
The sad thing is that some here would try to spin it, like there was a grand design, a conspiracy. The truth is on the bike, Bardet is where he deserves to be, let's enjoy and stop the negativity.
I'm a fan of cycling, much more than any rider. My favorite should be home resting, he's toast from the Giro. Still, I enjoy Le Tour. I enjoy cycling...that's all.
That was one of the most baffling things I've ever seen in cycling. Bardet and AG2R acted like putting time on Froome was no biggie.
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There is an answer to this question but unfortunately it can only be discussed in the Clinic.
hrotha said:
There is an answer to this question but unfortunately it can only be discussed in the Clinic.
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You mean how fast they were on the first part of the climb, or the fact that they 'allowed' Froome to come back?hrotha said:
No, they half-arsed it. They failed because what they attempted (to magically put time on Froome without Bardet taking any risks or having to take responsibility by himself, without his domestiques) was impossible.Alexandre B. said:
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That said, the captains (not just Bardet) should have attacked before Froome bridged. So they should probably have used up their doms more quickly.
The team did very well. Impressive performance.Alexandre B. said:
That said, the captains (not just Bardet) should have attacked before Froome bridged. So they should probably have used up their doms more quickly.
Yes, it wasn't just Bardet, but Bardet was worse because the other captains at least didn't have any of their teammates work for nothing. And also because Bardet has already podiumed the Tour so you'd think he'd aim higher now.
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