Ronde van West Flanders

[El Pistolero]

He's not a real climber, so he can peak all he wants there, his best results should come in the Ardennes lol. Especially because we've been hearing the Schlecks won't participate in LBL or won't peak for it.

 

[Ruudz0r]

That doesnt change what he is peaking for, he wants to ride the Giro in his best form so he is peaking for the Giro.

 

[roundabout]

So, uh when is that big u23 talent going to show some results? When he signs with Pharma?

 

[El Pistolero]

So, uh when is that big u23 talent going to show some results? When he signs with Pharma?

He just showed results? QS is the first Pro team he signed with.

 

[roundabout]

I mean Ghyselinck. For a very big u23 talent he's had **** all results in 2 years as a pro.

 

[El Pistolero]

I mean Ghyselinck. For a very big u23 talent he's had **** all results in 2 years as a pro.

Not every big U23 talent makes it in the pro ranks. Fact that he was signed by HTC proves he had a lot of talent otherwise they wouldn't have signed him.

 

[roundabout]

So I guess it means that u23 results don't necessarily translate on pro level.

But of course that didn't stop you from using them to defend a Pharma rider.

 

[El Pistolero]

So I guess it means that u23 results don't necessarily translate on pro level.

But of course that didn't stop you from using them to defend a Pharma rider.

Because Maltiv said he didn't do sh*t last 3 years. Keep up the discussion please.

 

[roundabout]

Because your post #151 is aimed at Maltiv....

 

[El Pistolero]

Because your post #151 is aimed at Maltiv....

I don't get the problem with that post?

Good U23 results won't automatically mean you'll get good results with the pro's, but it's a good sign usually. Mierenneukers is the word they use in my language for people like you.

 

[roundabout]

The problem is that Vermote after doing **** all last year (compared to genuine talents like Phinney and Dowsett, he did absolutely **** all) now won a stage race based on his prologue ability against riders with better U23 results than him. Only at Pharma do moderate talents become winners.

 

[El Pistolero]

The problem is that Vermote after doing **** all last year (compared to genuine talents like Phinney and Dowsett, he did absolutely **** all) now won a stage race based on his prologue ability against riders with better U23 results than him. Only at Pharma do moderate talents become winners.

What a load of bull. Pharma has been in cycling for years and many of their young talents never delivered.

Someone's jealous

Take it to the clinic or stop crying and act like a man. If he's not Anglophone he's doping right

 

[Kazistuta]

Not every big U23 talent makes it in the pro ranks. Fact that he was signed by HTC proves he had a lot of talent otherwise they wouldn't have signed him.

Exactly...and makes the fact that you are comparing Vermotes u23 results with Ghyselincks rather redundant. And well, I actually DID knew Ghyselinck and have been disappointed by his pretty anonymous entry to the pro circuit.
But I guess it's just easier to assume I didn't.

How about Guldhammer (Rasmus that is), would he have been a favorite for this small tour? After all, he once defeated Tom Dumoulin in a time trial and was signed by HTC

The fact that you (once again) can't admit to the simple fact that Vermote hadn't shown any signs as a pro to be considered amongst the pre-race favorites and have to go personal...well, that says it all.

(And reg. Fuglsang: With that many chefs in the RadioTrek kitchen, why WOULDN'T he want to show himself now? There's other Ardennes hopefulls showing good form already)

 

[El Pistolero]

Exactly...and makes the fact that you are comparing Vermotes u23 results with Ghyselincks rather redundant. And well, I actually DID knew Ghyselinck and have been disappointed by his pretty anonymous entry to the pro circuit.
But I guess it's just easier to assume I didn't.

How about Guldhammer (Rasmus that is), would he have been a favorite for this small tour? After all, he once defeated Tom Dumoulin in a time trial and was signed by HTC

The fact that you (once again) can't admit to the simple fact that Vermote hadn't shown any signs as a pro to be considered amongst the pre-race favorites and have to go personal...well, that says it all.

(And reg. Fuglsang: With that many chefs in the RadioTrek kitchen, why WOULDN'T he want to show himself now? There's other Ardennes hopefulls showing good form already)

Why would Alex Rasmussen peak for the Ronde van West Vlaanderen? I also compared his U23 results with KITTEL AND TJVG. Why don't you nag on about that? I just rebutted Maltiv's response who said Vermote hasn't done anything in the U23 ranks. He clearly did...

Vermote is still young for crying out loud. They're not all Peter freaking Sagan. I didn't go personal, not my fault your cycling knowledge is stretched a bit thin. You guys are acting like he won the Ronde van Vlaanderen. But when someone insinuates JTL is doping all hell breaks lose on this forum Why do I even try... Please make a thread in the clinic and keep it out of this part of the forum. Thank you.

Ps: since when is Ghyselinck's career over? Did I miss something? Give it time. Like I said, not everyone is like Peter Sagan or Marcel Kittel

 

[Kazistuta]

Why would Alex Rasmussen peak for the Ronde van West Vlaanderen? I also compared his U23 results with KITTEL AND TJVG. Why don't you nag on about that? I just rebutted Maltiv's response who said Vermote hasn't done anything in the U23 ranks. He clearly did...

Vermote is still young for crying out loud. They're not all Peter freaking Sagan. I didn't go personal, not my fault your cycling knowledge is stretched a bit thin. You guys are acting like he won the Ronde van Vlaanderen. But when someone insinuates JTL is doping all hell breaks lose on this forum Why do I even try... Please make a thread in the clinic and keep it out of this part of the forum.

Pistolero, you're bringing guns to a word fight..... Take a look at my initial post, inhale deep and tell me what made your **** boil?

I never mentioned anything about clinic stuff, and you still decided to quote my post and go personal, not my fault that your poster recognition is stretched a bit thin.

I just questioned your statement that comparing u23 results from Vermote made his win yesterday unsurprising.

If you're getting touchy about the clinic stuff, maybe it's time to take a good look in the mirror - and try not to see ghosts everywhere.
If all it took was another posters clinic insinuations for you to take a swing at me, then you're seriously off, dude.

YES, please DO read my initial post again and tell me where I imply clinic stuff?

 

[Kazistuta]

Yeah, so surprising to see the Belgian U23 time trial champ win this small race

We just don't all hype them beyond believe here.

These results doesn't strike me as more than decent U23 success. Comparing his TT skills with guys like Ghyselinck and Bakelandts isn't exactly a high marker to go by either.

Considering that Vermote won just in front of guys like Bauer, Ignatiev and Ladagnous says it all - but kudos to him, this was a great win for the young Belgian. Surprising win out of the blue? Yes indeed.

Did the work for you....

 

[El Pistolero]

Considering this is a race where a lot of very young neo pro's have shown what they're worth I don't find it all that surprising no... I wouldn't have predicted a victory from him here, but then again, he only won because Kwiatkowski crashed

Ps: where did I say you alone were making clinical insinuations? Roundabout is the one I'm mostly talking about. Make a thread in the clinic if you don't believe the results, it's not that hard. I'm sorry if you thought I was personally addressing you, but I was just talking in general really...

This is just such a small race that it doesn't shock me like it does you. You're always listing big names Vermote beat here, but what does that mean? How many of these guys are riding to win here? This is just preparation for them. When Vermote defeats Rasmussen in a Giro prologue then we can speak of a HUGE surprise. This is probably one of the few races where Vermote had a somewhat protected role in the team after the prologue and he took full advantage of that. Kudos to him.

 

[Kazistuta]

Considering this is a race where a lot of very young neo pro's have shown what they're worth I don't find it all that surprising no... I wouldn't have predicted a victory from him here, but he only won because Kwiatkowski crashed

Ps: where did I say you were making clinical insinuations? Roundabout is the one I'm talking about.

Well, when you quote my posts and apparently mistake me for Maltiv, it's hard not to be confused. Secondly you apparently now also quoted me when having a clinic rant at roundabout (who actually tried to "defend" me 'cause of your first mistaken quote), so it's hard to figure out who you're having a go at.

Actually I'm kinda sad to see a (rather) knowledgable poster constantly being in stubborn defensive position - just because you simply won't acknowledge other views than your own.

My initial post was (rather) factual, observant, doubting and sober, and still you managed yet another time to take it to another level......

EDIT: I see you edited your post and hopefully you understand my confusion now

 

[El Pistolero]

I'm not being stubborn. I just hope you realize that guys like Ignatiev and Rasmussen are still in preparation mode

Like I said, if Vermote defeats them at, for example, a prologue of a WT race then we can act all shocked. Let's also not forget he only won because of Kwiatkowski's crash.

Yes, I can understand your confusion, that's why I said sorry.

 

[Kazistuta]

Let's just say that I was surprised that Vermote could do such a good prologue then Had Sergent, Kwiatkovski (me pre-race favorite), Fuglsang, Rasmussen, Rogers or even Cornu won the race, I wouldn't have been surprised.

It was a great win for him, and actually he was on my shortlist for last years CQ game. A guy like Van Keirsbulck had shown much more promise leading up to the race, and I expect way more from him than from Vermote - who granted has lots of time to improve further.

Which riders that target certain minor races is mostly unknown to the public eye, and I'll bet you a CN-dollar that Vermote wasn't a pre-race GC candidate for Omega-Pharma. He took the chance, rode a brilliant prologue and ended with a well-deserved (excluded Kwiatkovski) win.

Let's get on with other things

 

[El Pistolero]

Let's just say that I was surprised that Vermote could do such a good prologue then Had Sergent, Kwiatkovski (me pre-race favorite), Fuglsang, Rasmussen, Rogers or even Cornu won the race, I wouldn't have been surprised.

It was a great win for him, and actually he was on my shortlist for last years CQ game. A guy like Van Keirsbulck had shown much more promise leading up to the race, and I expect way more from him than from Vermote - who granted has lots of time to improve further.

Which riders that target certain minor races is mostly unknown to the public eye, and I'll bet you a CN-dollar that Vermote wasn't a pre-race GC candidate for Omega-Pharma. He took the chance, rode a brilliant prologue and ended with a well-deserved (excluded Kwiatkovski) win.

Let's get on with other things

Cornu has been disappointing for quite some time, him winning would have been a good surprise

Van Keirsbulck did indeed show more promise, but he's not a time trial specialist or prologue specialist. He reminds me of Tom Boonen when I see him on the bike. The cobbled races are his thing. Van Keirsbulck has a bigger future ahead of him than Vermote in my opinion. And he also worked hard for the team during this race. He had a mechanical at the last stage though, otherwise he would have been in the top 5.

Fuglsang crashed really hard at the Tour Down Under this year, he posted a horrible picture of his knee on twitter. And he's also aiming to peak later in the season. Same story for Rasmussen really. I think those are all factors that should be taken into account.

I'm sure QS expected to win with Kwiatkowski and not with Vermote, but all things considered it's not like a total nobody just won a few big races... Which is how Theyoungest and roundabout reacted.

But yeah, let's move on

 

[Kazistuta]

Fuglsang crashed really hard at the Tour Down Under this year, he posted a horrible picture of his knee on twitter. And he's also aiming to peak later in the season. Same story for Rasmussen really. I think those are all factors that should be taken into account.

Fuglsang crashed in Tour Of Oman, though - sorry, couldn't help it (Actually closer to this race, but regardless of his pain he managed a 14th place)

http://twitter.com/#!/jakob_fuglsang/status/170498022151696385/photo/1

 

[El Pistolero]

Woops, that was it.

 

[greenedge]

Congrats to Vermote, pity Michal crashed though. Demare is racking up the CQ points which is great as well. I think he could win Vattenfall later this year ( if he rides based on Samyn )

@ el Pistolero: Isn't Fuglsang peaking for the Giro???