Rowing and cycling

[auscyclefan94]

Nope......Brett Aitkin's was higher (around 90) as was Rohan Dennis. As far as I know Brett's is still the highest, or so he says. Rohan was crapping on about betting the record a few years back but I dont know if he has.

Chris Martin was another rower who made the switch to cycling and is a reasonably good TT'er. He placed 6th at nationals last year against a very strong field compared to this years, raced in Italy for six months. Rowers however do seem to come into cycling with very unrealistic expectations and leave quickly if they don’t succeed or cannot master bunch riding skills. I heard that one former rower said that if he didn't place top three he would pull out of cycling... that's just f-ing stupid from a guy with no team mates riding his first national road race.

For track sprinting does having a high VO2 max really matter (especially in Brett Aitken's case)?

 

[auscyclefan94]

Would seriously not want to get in afight with her.

She would have you down in one blow...

Bulky girls need love too!

LMFAO

 

[53 x 11]

For track sprinting does having a high VO2 max really matter (especially in Brett Aitken's case)?

Brett, while a great sprinter, is not a track spinter in the same way that Cav or O'Grady are not track sprinters. The guy is only about 5'8" and well under 70 kgs!

 

[auscyclefan94]

Brett, while a great sprinter, is not a track spinter in the same way that Cav or O'Grady are not track sprinters. The guy is only about 5'8" and well under 70 kgs!

Yes but for a track riders in general, who have to have a big kick, is having a high VO2 max really matter.

 

[Galic Ho]

Evans' is 88. I'm prett sure he still has the record at the AIS for the highest.

Thanks for that. Asked around last year and nobody responded to what Evans VO2max was. Same as Big Mig. I heard he had the highest recorded at the AIS but wasn't sure what it was. Wanted to know how much higher it was than Gerrans. Didn't know about Aitkins though. Oh well, doesn't matter.

For the record, Lance and Basso are only just higher than Gerrans at 82 ml/min/kg. They fudged some of their figures. They are low 80's and not the reported mid 80s that get flung around. Another reason why Cadel has an edge on these guys (if the figures are right).

Drew is a Heavyweight rower, the guy you were replying to was talking of Lightweights having higher VO2 maxes because the weight limit means that those at the top of the sport need more aerobic ability to succeed, Heavyweights can get away with having greater musculature and power

I can read> That fact had not escaped my attention.

I saw the other post, noticed Ginn in it and put his figure down. If I had figures for other rowers I would have dumped them in my post. Nice article with figures for decent and solid performers from rowing, triathlon and cycling.
I've also seen the rowing machine comp figures Ginn and Tomkins have put out. Very impressive.

 

[Nick777]

Will Walker broke the record at the AIS a few years ago 94 or so.

 

[auscyclefan94]

Thanks for that. Asked around last year and nobody responded to what Evans VO2max was. Same as Big Mig. I heard he had the highest recorded at the AIS but wasn't sure what it was. Wanted to know how much higher it was than Gerrans. Didn't know about Aitkins though. Oh well, doesn't matter.

For the record, Lance and Basso are only just higher than Gerrans at 82 ml/min/kg. They fudged some of their figures. They are low 80's and not the reported mid 80s that get flung around. Another reason why Cadel has an edge on these guys (if the figures are right).

I'm a little sceptical about the figure of Aitken's VO2 max is.

On your figure of Will Walker Nick777, it's a shame that a guy with such potential hasn't been able to continue his career due to an irregular heart beat problem.

 

[Nick777]

I'm a little sceptical about the figure of Aitken's VO2 max is.

On your figure of Will Walker Nick777, it's a shame that a guy with such potential hasn't been able to continue his career due to an irregular heart beat problem.

Yeah, I have heard all sorts of things about him. He has a couple of talented brothers, apparently.
I sat next to a family friend of his at a birthday dinner last year, and was told
a) he had Bell's palsy
b) he had a lot (a lot) of trouble settling in Europe
Another friend told me he doesn't train much..
Who knows, really...
There was talk that he could have been anything. Hopefully he will get everything sorted out.

 

[BigBoat]

Any sport that involves pacing (like running, rowing) will make them a better TT rider when they switch to cycling. Usually anyways.

V02 max for the top Tour pros is in the 96-100 range no $hit! The doped V02 maxes with a 55% crit are way the heck higher than their undoped. Although HGH or the ACTH hormone use wont bring it up much. The transfusions are what really bring it up, and other 02 carriers.

Upper range totally clean for Lance at his peak was oly an 82! Probably the best talents right now are Basso and Contadoper with his 86. Lance is a forceful with virtually no conscience and I'm not talking about his Consciousness ( "the executive control system of the mind....."

 

[auscyclefan94]

Any sport that involves pacing (like running, rowing) will make them a better TT rider when they switch to cycling. Usually anyways.

V02 max for the top Tour pros is in the 96-100 range no $hit! The doped V02 maxes with a 55% crit are way the heck higher than their undoped. Although HGH or the ACTH hormone use wont bring it up much. The transfusions are what really bring it up, and other 02 carriers.

Upper range totally clean for Lance at his peak was oly an 82! Probably the best talents right now are Basso and Contadoper with his 86. Lance is a forceful with virtually no conscience and I'm not talking about his Consciousness ( "the executive control system of the mind....."

WTF?.....

 

[chase196126]

I have posted this in another thread but an interesting tidbit of information about Vo2 max. It is a good predictor of potential, but when it comes to elite level athletes it will not be a good indicator of performance. Bigboats claims about Vo2 max being directly tied to how well these cyclists are doing is not entirely true.

Taking a class with Max Testa we went over how Vo2 can change over a season based on how a cyclist breaths. A good portion (the quoted amount was around %10 if i remember) of the oxygen consumed during cycling goes to the breathing function of the cyclist. He has seen cyclists whose performance increased while Vo2 decreased due to more efficient breathing.

Just because one rider has a higher Vo2 number does not necessarily mean that all of that oxygen is being used by the cyclists legs to produce power.

On a side note, he told us that LA had some of the most absorbent lungs (top 1 or 2 I think) of any cyclist he had ever tested. This, in theory, could be part of why he has a lower Vo2 than other cyclists on his level (doping aside). He could simply be using less Oxygen to power his breathing functions in relation to the other he is riding against.

Not trying to start a fight, just some things I remember from the class.

 

[auscyclefan94]

I have posted this in another thread but an interesting tidbit of information about Vo2 max. It is a good predictor of potential, but when it comes to elite level athletes it will not be a good indicator of performance. Bigboats claims about Vo2 max being directly tied to how well these cyclists are doing is not entirely true.

Taking a class with Max Testa we went over how Vo2 can change over a season based on how a cyclist breaths. A good portion (the quoted amount was around %10 if i remember) of the oxygen consumed during cycling goes to the breathing function of the cyclist. He has seen cyclists whose performance increased while Vo2 decreased due to more efficient breathing.

Just because one rider has a higher Vo2 number does not necessarily mean that all of that oxygen is being used by the cyclists legs to produce power.

On a side note, he told us that LA had some of the most absorbent lungs (top 1 or 2 I think) of any cyclist he had ever tested. This, in theory, could be part of why he has a lower Vo2 than other cyclists on his level (doping aside). He could simply be using less Oxygen to power his breathing functions in relation to the other he is riding against.

Not trying to start a fight, just some things I remember from the class.

Someone's been listening in class.

 

[Nick777]

I have posted this in another thread but an interesting tidbit of information about Vo2 max. It is a good predictor of potential, but when it comes to elite level athletes it will not be a good indicator of performance. Bigboats claims about Vo2 max being directly tied to how well these cyclists are doing is not entirely true.

Taking a class with Max Testa we went over how Vo2 can change over a season based on how a cyclist breaths. A good portion (the quoted amount was around %10 if i remember) of the oxygen consumed during cycling goes to the breathing function of the cyclist. He has seen cyclists whose performance increased while Vo2 decreased due to more efficient breathing.

Just because one rider has a higher Vo2 number does not necessarily mean that all of that oxygen is being used by the cyclists legs to produce power.

On a side note, he told us that LA had some of the most absorbent lungs (top 1 or 2 I think) of any cyclist he had ever tested. This, in theory, could be part of why he has a lower Vo2 than other cyclists on his level (doping aside). He could simply be using less Oxygen to power his breathing functions in relation to the other he is riding against.

Not trying to start a fight, just some things I remember from the class.

Derek Clayton ran a 2.08 marathon with a 68 Vo2.
It's one thing to have a high absolute level, but more advantageous to be able to perform at a high % of your max over a long period.
Brad McGee has a Vo2 of 88. Abraham Olano's Vo2 was in the 60's. Which one performed better in grand tours?

 

[auscyclefan94]

Derek Clayton ran a 2.08 marathon with a 68 Vo2.
It's one thing to have a high absolute level, but more advantageous to be able to perform at a high % of your max over a long period.
Brad McGee has a Vo2 of 88. Abraham Olano's Vo2 was in the 60's. Which one performed better in grand tours?

Is having a high VO2 max being a track rider that advantageous?

Do you have a source to support Mcgee's vo2 max number?

 

[Nick777]

Is having a high VO2 max being a track rider that advantageous?

Do you have a source to support Mcgee's vo2 max number?

I did have a source - he had it listed on his website - which no longer exists unfortunately..

Regarding the track - it couldnt hurt... but things such as improving your cadence & efficiency will help even more ..!

 

[Escarabajo]

...
It's one thing to have a high absolute level, but more advantageous to be able to perform at a high % of your max over a long period.
Brad McGee has a Vo2 of 88. Abraham Olano's Vo2 was in the 60's. Which one performed better in grand tours?

I can certaily tell you why that is.

 

[Nick777]

I can certaily tell you why that is.

Oh yeah - and that too...