Rujano can win this Giro, believes Savio

[Ryo Hazuki]

8 watts per kilo for an hour would mean our rujanito would put just around ten minutes on the second arrived rider on cervinia.sounds like fun but also impossible
6 w/kg for an hour is enough to destroy all the contenders of this year's giro.all of them barring pozzovivo.

the 8 wtat per kg is obviously not done in a stage

what a stupid comparison anyway. a stage is 200 km, of course you can't do 8 watt per kg after 2 weeks of racing and well into a stage.

gesink for instance did 7.2 watt per kg weight at this test.

 

[classicomano]

Wow im getting really hyped for the mountain stages now thanks to Jens and Ryu

 

[theyoungest]

the 8 wtat per kg is obviously not done in a stage

what a stupid comparison anyway. a stage is 200 km, of course you can't do 8 watt per kg after 2 weeks of racing and well into a stage.

gesink for instance did 7.2 watt per kg weight at this test.

If Rujano did the test at Mapei, for instance, they have a different protocol than Rabobank. I saw results from Thomas Frei that were close to 8 w/kg, hardly a world class climber.

So, like the above poster mentions, it's all about how long you can hold these watts. And at which point in the season they're measured. In themselves these numbers are pretty meaningless.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

they compared the test to boonen. so not it was not meaningless. quickstep and rabo do the same tests. or at least did

 

[theyoungest]

they compared the test to boonen. so not it was not meaningless. quickstep and rabo do the same tests. or at least did

You just think they do, but actually you have no idea.

Compared them to Boonen? Well, well.

 

[Von Mises]

8 watt pr kg was an hour test I think. they did in quickstep. I think boonen held the overall record in that team of 550 watt or something and rujano had almost 400, but with being only 48 kg. I remember reading about it back in 2006. they were quite amazed in the team

and about those calculations being wrong. it still shows how much more power he had than kloden, satsre etc per kg weight. not just a level above. but multiple levels above the rest

I think that you do not understand the concept of power and power/weight. I doubt all these numbers. I doubt Boonen´s 550 for an hour and Gesinks 7,2 w per kg or Rujanos 8 w kg. 8 w per kg for an hour is not just enormous, it is totally out of reach.

A small comparison. In 2011 nevagl ITT Contador made about 6,3 kg for 29 minutes. Of course it was after 2 weeks of racing, but it was also less than half hour, not an hour. If Contador was making 6,3, then Rujano obviously was making less (he lost to Contador after all). Difference between 6,3 and 8 is huge, in this particular ITT it would have meant about 7-8 minutes. Do you think it is possible?

 

[Bumeington]

I think that you do not understand the concept of power and power/weight. I doubt all these numbers. I doubt Boonen´s 550 for an hour and Gesinks 7,2 w per kg or Rujanos 8 w kg. 8 w per kg for an hour is not just enormous, it is totally out of reach.

A small comparison. In 2011 nevagl ITT Contador made about 6,3 kg for 29 minutes. Of course it was after 2 weeks of racing, but it was also less than half hour, not an hour. If Contador was making 6,3, then Rujano obviously was making less (he lost to Contador after all). Difference between 6,3 and 8 is huge, in this particular ITT it would have meant about 7-8 minutes. Do you think it is possible?

Pretty sure the Gesink number is from a ramp to exhaustion test (i.e ride x minutes at constant power, power is increased by 30W or something every x minutes), that's why these numbers are all so high. Of course Boonen can't do 550W for an hour, or Gesink 7.2W/kg etc.

 

[karlboss]

I think that you do not understand the concept of power and power/weight. I doubt all these numbers. I doubt Boonen´s 550 for an hour and Gesinks 7,2 w per kg or Rujanos 8 w kg. 8 w per kg for an hour is not just enormous, it is totally out of reach.

A small comparison. In 2011 nevagl ITT Contador made about 6,3 kg for 29 minutes. Of course it was after 2 weeks of racing, but it was also less than half hour, not an hour. If Contador was making 6,3, then Rujano obviously was making less (he lost to Contador after all). Difference between 6,3 and 8 is huge, in this particular ITT it would have meant about 7-8 minutes. Do you think it is possible?

8 Watts/kg is about Gilbert on the Mur, now to sustain it...

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

I think that you do not understand the concept of power and power/weight. I doubt all these numbers. I doubt Boonen´s 550 for an hour and Gesinks 7,2 w per kg or Rujanos 8 w kg. 8 w per kg for an hour is not just enormous, it is totally out of reach.

A small comparison. In 2011 nevagl ITT Contador made about 6,3 kg for 29 minutes. Of course it was after 2 weeks of racing, but it was also less than half hour, not an hour. If Contador was making 6,3, then Rujano obviously was making less (he lost to Contador after all). Difference between 6,3 and 8 is huge, in this particular ITT it would have meant about 7-8 minutes. Do you think it is possible?

quintana pushed over 7 watt in avenirs final mountain itt 2 years ago after 8 days of racing for 33 minutes at age 20

vino did over 6 watts in the mountainstages in the final week of vuelta 2006.

and your coimparison makes no sense. of couse rujano won't make 8 watt after 2 weeks of racing and being sick as well during that mountain itt.

 

[FujiAnton]

8 watt pr kg was an hour test I think. they did in quickstep. I think boonen held the overall record in that team of 550 watt or something and rujano had almost 400, but with being only 48 kg. I remember reading about it back in 2006. they were quite amazed in the team

and about those calculations being wrong. it still shows how much more power he had than kloden, satsre etc per kg weight. not just a level above. but multiple levels above the rest

That test doesn't measure the power of legs, if they had did that test on a climb for sure Rujano had put more watts than Boonen, and he have much more powerfull legs than Rujano.

 

[Von Mises]

quintana pushed over 7 watt in avenirs final mountain itt 2 years ago after 8 days of racing for 33 minutes at age 20

vino did over 6 watts in the mountainstages in the final week of vuelta 2006.

and your coimparison makes no sense. of couse rujano won't make 8 watt after 2 weeks of racing and being sick as well during that mountain itt.

Quintana´s 7 watt for 33 minutes is also unbelivebale. If true, then Talansky (who was second to Quintana back then) was able to make 6,9 w per kg for 33 minutes and John Degenkolb 6,1-6,2 watts per kg - he was 38th in Avenirs.

(Btw, Contador in Giro 2011 and also after 8 days of racing was able to make 6,3-6,6 watts for 17 minutes on Etna. Gadret, Anton, Arroyo etc were making 5,9-6,2 w per kg for same time. Do you want to say that they are worse climbers than Degenkolb or Talansky? )

I am not doubting Rujano´s and Quintana´s talent, but these numbers what you are claimin are definetly wrong. Not possible.

 

[iZnoGouD]

8 watt pr kg was an hour test I think. they did in quickstep. I think boonen held the overall record in that team of 550 watt or something and rujano had almost 400, but with being only 48 kg. I remember reading about it back in 2006. they were quite amazed in the team

and about those calculations being wrong. it still shows how much more power he had than kloden, satsre etc per kg weight. not just a level above. but multiple levels above the rest

BS BS BS

FTP of 8 w/kg?? then he could easily drop Andy Schleck and Alberto Contador, they are at 6.3, 6.4 w/kg, no one in the world does more than this

 

[meat puppet]

Pretty sure the Gesink number is from a ramp to exhaustion test (i.e ride x minutes at constant power, power is increased by 30W or something every x minutes), that's why these numbers are all so high. Of course Boonen can't do 550W for an hour, or Gesink 7.2W/kg etc.

Exactly. The whole effort might take an hour if the increase in power is slight and the interval is long to determine power/lactate/HR levels as precisely as possible. Probably the test took less than that though.

At the moment, a steady state 1hr effort at the functional threshold power would probably not bring results much over 6,5w/kg - for any rider. I think Contador's half an hour at 6,3w/kg in last year's MTT testifies to that somewhat, even if we factor in the fatigue from two weeks.

Finally, I want Rujanito to scorch everyone too, but am obviously not buying 8w/kg for an hour. Come to think of it, that would probably translate into 5+w/kg base level, which is literally unbelievable...

 

[roundabout]

http://www.cyclismag.com/article.php?sid=6102

5.87 w/kg. Not quite 7 for Quintana.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

http://www.cyclismag.com/article.php?sid=6102

5.87 w/kg. Not quite 7 for Quintana.

I;m pretty sure they took wrong weight from quintana there. he was 51 kg and I think they took 59 but I can't see it in the article

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

BS BS BS

FTP of 8 w/kg?? then he could easily drop Andy Schleck and Alberto Contador, they are at 6.3, 6.4 w/kg, no one in the world does more than this

man like I said. gesink does/did 7.2 watt per kg weight. that's the same test rabo does and quickstep used to do.

 

[roundabout]

While the actual power is higher than the 5.87 got from the 70+8 method, I find 7 w/kg hard to believe.

 

[meat puppet]

man like I said. gesink does/did 7.2 watt per kg weight. that's the same test rabo does and quickstep used to do.

Yes, he does, in an absolute max effort for the last 2 or 3 minutes of the test before he absolutely collapses and the test terminates.

Not for an hour.

Every ramp test I have taken used this protocol.

 

[Escarabajo]

You guys are discussing power numbers with Ryo?

He lost me in that subject long time ago. I am not sure that he understands the limitations of a human. Think about 8 watts/kg for 1 hour. He should be disqualified for being an extraterrestrial.

 

[boomcie]

I;m pretty sure they took wrong weight from quintana there. he was 51 kg and I think they took 59 but I can't see it in the article

I once heard he remained in a neonatal intensive care unit until he was 12 years old.

 

[Kokoso]

it's been explained about 20x in this thread alone

What exactly you mean? I don't get it.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

he is not explosive and he isn't good in placing himself often

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

You guys are discussing power numbers with Ryo?

He lost me in that subject long time ago. I am not sure that he understands the limitations of a human. Think about 8 watts/kg for 1 hour. He should be disqualified for being an extraterrestrial.

in that case 8w/kg should be easy for the Vanenderts from Saturnus

 

[Kokoso]

he is not explosive and he isn't good in placing himself often

Well it has nothing to do with losing time IMO, cause there are other people not explosive but not losing. Maybe placing as you say, but if he places himself badly, then he'd probably finished somewhere at the end of the group but in the same time, not 7 or more seconds back. I think he just didn't have that superb form thus strenght as the hype goes.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

ok you clearly have no idea about cycling.