Rujano can win this Giro, believes Savio

[The Hitch]

2 minutes to who? Basso? Scarponi? Purito? Pozzovivo? Fränk? Nieve? He's at least equal to all of those, and better than most. .

Lets not get too ahead of ourselves. He lost 1 minute to Scarponi on 30k last year, so I would say he is not equal to Scarponi, and I think Basso is a bit ahead too.

 

[cineteq]

Why do you always post stuff that other people have already posted?

Because I love teasing you

 

[will10]

He needs to put lot of time on others in the mountains, cause in ITT he'll lose 2 minutes easily. Now hes 2 minutes down. So it makes 4 minutes at least and probably more, as he will lose more than 2 minutes in ITT for sure. I dont believe hes capable to do that. Moreover he looks somewhat fragile, its mechanical here, illness there...like Schleckett for instance.

Who is he going to lose 2 minutes to in the TT to? There is no Evans or Menchov in this field. None of the GC guys are good TT riders.

Last year's comparable TT

1. MILLAR David GRM 30'13"
10. NIBALI Vincenzo LIQ 01'18"
15. KREUZIGER Roman AST 01'26"
16. SCARPONI Michele LAM 01'28"
39. RODRIGUEZ OLIVER Joaquin KAT 02'14"
45. RUJANO GUILLEN Jose Humberto AND 02'25"

Kreuziger is probably the best of the GC guys here, and took 59 seconds.

EDIT: hrotha posted while I was typing and put it a lot better than I did.

 

[hrotha]

Lets not get too ahead of ourselves. He lost 1 minute to Scarponi on 30k last year, so I would say he is not equal to Scarponi, and I think Basso is a bit ahead too.

Mmmmyeah, I'd put Scarponi above him. That sentence went through several rewrites so I ended up saying something I don't agree with.

Basso, I'm not sure.

 

[Kokoso]

2 minutes to who? Basso? Scarponi? Purito? Pozzovivo? Fränk? Nieve? He's at least equal to all of those, and better than most. Kreuziger? Contrary to the myth, he's not a good time-trialist on this kind of distance and course. Hesjedal? Well he might be better on paper, but not by much, not enough for it to be a factor. Tiralongo? Yeah right. Gadret? Haha.

The only people he could conceivably lose some serious time to are Pinotti, Vande Velde, Bruseghin, De Gendt, even Intxausti, and none of them are particularly likely to be actual contenders (Beñat could surprise, but I don't see him above 6th or so in the final GC, and he's not *that* good of a time-trialist either).

If Rujano climbs at last year's level, there's no way he'll lose the Giro in the ITT. The question for me is whether he's at that level. Personally I'd be surprised if there was more than a 1 minute or 1 minute and a half gap between the vast majority of contenders. Well Nieve could easily lose 2 or 3 minutes, I'll give you that.

Id like to know in what heads that myth lives, cause on this forum nobody believes this, in personal life I dont know anyone too. It seems that its part of this this forum folklore

So last year he lost 1 minute, this year ITT is a bit longer, and you alone doubt his form, so even for you must be very likely, that he will lose more than 1 minute, say, 1:30. Form me its just 2 minutes, I dont believe in him

 

[will10]

Id like to know in what heads that myth lives, cause on this forum nobody believes this, in personal life I dont know anyone too. It seems that its part of this this forum folklore

So last year he lost 1 minute, this year ITT is a bit longer, and you alone doubt his form, so even for you must be very likely, that he will lose more than 1 minute, say, 1:30. Form me its just 2 minutes, I dont believe in him

Kokoso logic.
Rujano loses a minute in 26km.
Will therefore lose two minutes in 31km.
Love it.

 

[Kokoso]

Kokoso logic.
Rujano loses a minute in 26km.
Will therefore lose two minutes in 31km.
Love it.

You would have to use your brain to figure out why I think it - or read the post. One or other. Not doing that means not to find logic in there.

 

[Kokoso]

actually i think rujano will top 30 in the prologue and in the last itt if all the things will be alright

last year they were 12th in the ttt and the giro lineup was better.this year the androids will be in the top 8 i'm sure

Top 30 you say? Wel, not exactly...142. + 1:07. Really bad guess.

I see you are like Bavarian Rider and believe you can narrow down the GC contenders based purely on a prologue result.

I think its time to give you some will10 logic. So Jens going for top 30 in the prologue, Rujano ends up 142., me just saying that was bad guess, not mentioning GC in only one one word, than you doing some conclusions based no nothing I've said, just something what appeared in your head. Will10 "logic"

edit: on nothing I've said of course

 

[will10]

I think its time to give you some will10 logic. So Jens going for top 30 in the prologue, Rujano ends up 142., me just saying that was bad guess, not mentioning GC in only one one word, than you doing some conclusions based no nothing I've said, just something what appeared in your head. Will10 "logic"

edit: on nothing I've said of course

If you read BR's "predictions" in the prologue thread then you'd get the idea.

 

[Kokoso]

If you read BR's "predictions" in the prologue thread then you'd get the idea.

BR? Whats that or who? (I don't know)

 

[Benotti69]

Rujano is not going to win this Giro. I have not seen him having super form yet. If he did he would've been with Purito at the finish in Assisi. IMO.

 

[Kokoso]

Rujano is not going to win this Giro. I have not seen him having super form yet. If he did he would've been with Purito at the finish in Assisi. IMO.

Be careful with your opinions here on this thread, because if you have different one than some, they'll absurdly blame you, that you don't understand cycling at all...lol

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

There hasn't even been 1 real mountain stage yet and still people think they can assess Rujano's form
Even more funny when last year, before the first real mountain stage, Rujano was already 4'30 further back than he is now.

 

[hrotha]

There hasn't even been 1 real mountain stage yet and still people think they can assess Rujano's form
Even more funny when last year, before the first real mountain stage, Rujano was already 4'30 further back than he is now.

Yeah but he lost the vast majority of that time in the sterrato stage. He also lost some time in the stage Gatto won, and that would be more comparable to the stages where he's lost time this year, but still, of course we're necessarily going by vague impressions and hunches for now.

Can we assess Fränk's form though?

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

No we can't. He looks ok though, despite time loss

 

[snackattack]

Can we assess Fränk's form though?

 

[Escarabajo]

There hasn't even been 1 real mountain stage yet and still people think they can assess Rujano's form
Even more funny when last year, before the first real mountain stage, Rujano was already 4'30 further back than he is now.

You can induce something. For any rider for that matter. More times than not is a good indicator. A good example was Alberto Contador last year in the Tour. Small losses in the initial stages here and there proved to be a good indicator of his true form.

Is not always right but the probabilities are not on his favor unfortunately.

 

[The Hitch]

A good example was Alberto Contador last year in the Tour. Small losses in the initial stages here and there proved to be a good indicator of his true form.
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contador lost time in a team time trial which even the most ardent fans of the discipline will struggle to argue that it has any indication of his form

the other stage he lost time on was when a 14 year old decided to walk out on to the course causing a crash which contador, like everyone else after a certain point simply hadto wait behind.

On the actual hils in the first week, where it is down to the riders and not the organizers how.much time a rider gets he lost time to no one. in fact it was Andy who lost time there but managed to recover for the third week.

Actually that might be the reason why he didn't attack in the pyranees- only peaked for 3rd week.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Lets not get too ahead of ourselves. He lost 1 minute to Scarponi on 30k last year, so I would say he is not equal to Scarponi, and I think Basso is a bit ahead too.

he was sick during last years final itt and all final stages (anti biotics). how many times do I have to keep saying that?

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

You would have to use your brain to figure out why I think it - or read the post. One or other. Not doing that means not to find logic in there.

lol. I don't know what to think of you. hilarious or pathetic? you are on a rujano cruisade just because I bash your favorite rider kreuziger :lolcry: pls man grow up.

 

[jens_attacks]

he aint worried
Rujano "Esperemos el sábado...insisto en que este tiempo (3:05") no me hace daño, queda mucho por definir y estoy en buenas condiciones"

attenzione!attenzione!shiitloads of watts to be unleashed saturday from the legs of rujanito i felt he was great today on the climbs.
two more days now!

 

[theyoungest]

There hasn't even been 1 real mountain stage yet and still people think they can assess Rujano's form
Even more funny when last year, before the first real mountain stage, Rujano was already 4'30 further back than he is now.

If he could have gone with Pozzovivo on the one climb we've seen so far, he would have. He simply had no reason not to. So that doesn't bode too well.

On the other hills he actually lost time, but apparently we're supposed to disregard that.

 

[jens_attacks]

If he could have gone with Pozzovivo on the one climb we've seen so far, he would have. He simply had no reason not to. So that doesn't bode too well.

On the other hills he actually lost time, but apparently we're supposed to disregard that.

in my opinion,pozzovivo at this moment is even better than rujano.but domenico might run out of fuel on the rest day,you will see what i'm talking about.rujano,basso and scarponi will get stronger from that day.
i'd like it to happen but i really doubt pozzovivo can keep this stratospheric form for almost 5 weeks,it was difficult even for lance.

 

[Duartista]

If he could have gone with Pozzovivo on the one climb we've seen so far, he would have. He simply had no reason not to. So that doesn't bode too well.

On the other hills he actually lost time, but apparently we're supposed to disregard that.

Rujano has never been good in those kind of finishes, whatever his form. So the fact that he still isn't good doesn't say much.

 

[Kokoso]

lol. I don't know what to think of you. hilarious or pathetic? you are on a rujano cruisade just because I bash your favorite rider kreuziger :lolcry: pls man grow up.

Man, this has nothing to do with Rujano, specifically this was about will10 "logic". Gather yourself.