Rules for Foreign GT-Starts

[Jspear]

http://velonews.competitor.com/2015/06/news/peloton-warms-to-idea-of-bringing-giro-to-u-s_374572

 

[Libertine Seguros]

It was a horrible and stupid idea in 2010, and it's a horrible and stupid idea in 2015. I'll believe it when I see it, and when I see it, I'll still say it's a horrible and stupid idea.

Also, "the péloton warming to the idea" appears to be "we spoke to an attention whore, a bunch of North Americans, and one guy who was much less optimistic but works for an American team so was cautious in how he voiced his concerns". I'll need more to be convinced.

 

[Billie]

Re:

It was a horrible and stupid idea in 2010, and it's a horrible and stupid idea in 2015. I'll believe it when I see it, and when I see it, I'll still say it's a horrible and stupid idea.

Also, "the péloton warming to the idea" appears to be "we spoke to an attention whore, a bunch of North Americans, and one guy who was much less optimistic but works for an American team so was cautious in how he voiced his concerns". I'll need more to be convinced.

immediately knew who you were talking about before reading the article

 

[Sciocco]

Start it in NYC on a Thursday, four stages, overnight flight Sunday night, two rest days.

Have a road stage that hits all five boroughs of NYC, Manhattan > New Jersey > Staten > Brooklyn > Queens > Bronx > Manhattan. An ITT that starts in Little Italy and goes north up Manhattan and then back down, going past major landmarks. Two more road stages, picking two of the three options: New Jersey, Long Island, and Connecticut. Hills could be found in NJ and CT.

I like foreign starts, but it should be somewhat rare. A Giro start somewhere on the eastern shores of the Adriatic sounds nice, couple stages headed in a northerly direction and right back into Italy. A Giro or Tour starting in Bavaria. Vuelta in Morocco possible?

 

[BigMac]

If you're going to start the Giro in the US, please, please do it anywhere else than NYC.

Cycling is a sport of open roads, clear landscapes and small towns. Not of concrete jungles smelling of gasoline.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Re:

Start it in NYC on a Thursday, four stages, overnight flight Sunday night, two rest days.

Have a road stage that hits all five boroughs of NYC, Manhattan > New Jersey > Staten > Brooklyn > Queens > Bronx > Manhattan. An ITT that starts in Little Italy and goes north up Manhattan and then back down, going past major landmarks. Two more road stages, picking two of the three options: New Jersey, Long Island, and Connecticut. Hills could be found in NJ and CT.

I like foreign starts, but it should be somewhat rare. A Giro start somewhere on the eastern shores of the Adriatic sounds nice, couple stages headed in a northerly direction and right back into Italy. A Giro or Tour starting in Bavaria. Vuelta in Morocco possible?

The Vuelta in Morocco would be possible perhaps even without a rest day (getting from Tangier to Algeciras is pretty straightforward especially if they have a shortish stage beforehand) but would perhaps need a reason for the Moroccans to be interested (maybe Sky Dive Dubai could go ProConti and let Soufiane Haddi and Adil Jelloul get a chance to race?) to stump up for it. In the Race Design Thread I designed a Vuelta that started in Morocco (Casablanca - Casablanca, Casablanca - Rabat, Ksar el-Kebir - Tangier, transfer to Algeciras), however the genuine rumours about a Vuelta start in Africa were mainly about Ceuta so not really a foreign start at all. And they said, if they did start in Ceuta they'd have to go to Melilla as well, probably for political reasons. Melilla would leave a relatively rolling stage with no real climbs but plenty of up and down (they hosted the nationals in 1997, when José María Jiménez - an absolute pure climber if ever there was one - won them) while Ceuta could host a really interesting stage with a climb of around 4-5km they could loop around as well as a short steep puncheur's climb up to the castle on the peninsula with the finish in the old town on the isthmus. Doing them as contiguous stages might be difficult, however, I'd presume maybe a start in Ceuta, three stages up the Andalucían coast ending somewhere like Málaga, Motril or Almería and then a transfer to have stage 5 in Melilla before an early rest day. Alternatively they could host the riders on cruise ships like the Arctic Tour of Norway.

 

[lemon cheese cake]

Re: Re:

Start it in NYC on a Thursday, four stages, overnight flight Sunday night, two rest days.

Have a road stage that hits all five boroughs of NYC, Manhattan > New Jersey > Staten > Brooklyn > Queens > Bronx > Manhattan. An ITT that starts in Little Italy and goes north up Manhattan and then back down, going past major landmarks. Two more road stages, picking two of the three options: New Jersey, Long Island, and Connecticut. Hills could be found in NJ and CT.

I like foreign starts, but it should be somewhat rare. A Giro start somewhere on the eastern shores of the Adriatic sounds nice, couple stages headed in a northerly direction and right back into Italy. A Giro or Tour starting in Bavaria. Vuelta in Morocco possible?

The Vuelta in Morocco would be possible perhaps even without a rest day (getting from Tangier to Algeciras is pretty straightforward especially if they have a shortish stage beforehand) but would perhaps need a reason for the Moroccans to be interested (maybe Sky Dive Dubai could go ProConti and let Soufiane Haddi and Adil Jelloul get a chance to race?) to stump up for it. In the Race Design Thread I designed a Vuelta that started in Morocco (Casablanca - Casablanca, Casablanca - Rabat, Ksar el-Kebir - Tangier, transfer to Algeciras), however the genuine rumours about a Vuelta start in Africa were mainly about Ceuta so not really a foreign start at all. And they said, if they did start in Ceuta they'd have to go to Melilla as well, probably for political reasons. Melilla would leave a relatively rolling stage with no real climbs but plenty of up and down (they hosted the nationals in 1997, when José María Jiménez - an absolute pure climber if ever there was one - won them) while Ceuta could host a really interesting stage with a climb of around 4-5km they could loop around as well as a short steep puncheur's climb up to the castle on the peninsula with the finish in the old town on the isthmus. Doing them as contiguous stages might be difficult, however, I'd presume maybe a start in Ceuta, three stages up the Andalucían coast ending somewhere like Málaga, Motril or Almería and then a transfer to have stage 5 in Melilla before an early rest day. Alternatively they could host the riders on cruise ships like the Arctic Tour of Norway.

Trials prologue on the boat, with an uphill finish from the bottom passenger deck to the top? I like that idea!