Ryder Hesjedal Discussion Thread

[cineteq]

Here ya go .
http://youtu.be/_DLo0Y70How
Hate this geoblocking crap

Excellent Nielsa, nice to have savvy posters in the forum.

Heshedal it is!

 

[MrRoboto]

Hmmm...I wondered the same thing. In fact, I haven't seen anything on him in Canada until now. I'm used to how they pronounce it in Europe.

Maybe that's the problem? They been avoiding him because they don't know how to pronounce his name? It must be embarrassing to have a easier time to pronounce Purito's name than the name of their own countryman. It sounded like they were choking every time they said Hesjedal's name on that video.

 

[l.Harm]

Not that this is relevant to how Ryder wants to pronounce his own name, but the place Hesjedal (where his name originates) is a little valley out west in Norway, pronounced something like "Heshe-dal."

"Sj" is just another way of writing "sh."

The "Hesh" and "dal" is pronounced sort of like in that Canadian TV clip, close enough. Emphasis is on "Heshe." You just replace their "jiyah" middle part with a short "e".

Heshedal, basically. Bit easier to say than "Hesh-jiyah-dal". But if that's how he says it then it's all good.


During the TdF last year, Ryder got a videogram from his old Hesjedal relatives on Norwegian TV. Ryder's eyes got teary, was nice to see.

That's exactly how you pronounce it in Dutch Norwegian and Dutch are both Germanic languages, probably that's why.

 

[hrotha]

That's exactly how you pronounce it in Dutch Norwegian and Dutch are both Germanic languages, probably that's why.

It's just a coincidence. English is Germanic too, after all.

The thing is, English and German turned the original /sk/ cluster into [ʃ], whereas the Norse languages kept it and Dutch turned it to [sx]. [ʃ] in Dutch and presumably Norwegian doesn't come from /sk/, but from a palatalized /s/ followed by /j/ (just like in English the original /s/ in words like "attention" or "sure" became [ʃ] by merging with a [j]. Since <sj> is not an English spelling, it's interpreted as s+j. If it was Anglicized as "Hesiedal" it would be different.

 

[WinterRider]

Could you post a pic of the front page?

Sorry, it's gone with the trash now. It was a nice shot of him in the TT though, and with the story it was top left and covered about 1/3 of the page. Pretty good coverage.

I'm surprised with the amount of interest you're taking in Canadian coverage of this story. Aren't you in the US, meaning your only interest in Canada should be pictures of people living in igloos?

 

[Froome19]

Its clear he won't do well. His role will be support and maybe a go for a stage win. Anyone who expects him to battle for GT doesn't understand current GT racing, or racing for JV.

My guess is he'll end up 33rd.

King Hesjedal.

He came 18th last year whilst being a domestique for Hushovd and Danielson so I expect him to come ...... 18th this year as well.
I can see him getting certainly at least one stage from a breakaway as his allround skills especially his descending suits breakaway riding, in fact he would have probably won stage I think it was 17/16 last year out of a break if he hadnt had to work for Hushovd to box EBH in, as he was by far the strongest of the 3.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

but last year hesjedal didn't do the giro prior to the tour so you can't compare like that

 

[Froome19]

but last year hesjedal didn't do the giro prior to the tour so you can't compare like that

I dont see what changes much, he will also this time round be trailing a bit in the mountains but not too much.

 

[webvan]

I somehow doubt the latest GT winner is going to be a domestique from the get-go. Domestique to whom anyway, Danielson, what for, he'll never win a GT. RH will probably see how it goes but his status in the team and in the peloton has changed forever.

 

[l.Harm]

It's just a coincidence. English is Germanic too, after all.

The thing is, English and German turned the original /sk/ cluster into [ʃ], whereas the Norse languages kept it and Dutch turned it to [sx]. [ʃ] in Dutch and presumably Norwegian doesn't come from /sk/, but from a palatalized /s/ followed by /j/ (just like in English the original /s/ in words like "attention" or "sure" became [ʃ] by merging with a [j]. Since <sj> is not an English spelling, it's interpreted as s+j. If it was Anglicized as "Hesiedal" it would be different.

That's what I tried to say.



Thanks.

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

I somehow doubt the latest GT winner is going to be a domestique from the get-go. Domestique to whom anyway, Danielson, what for, he'll never win a GT. RH will probably see how it goes but his status in the team and in the peloton has changed forever.

I don't think that his status will have changed to quite the extent that he'll be automatic team leader if he isn't in shape. In shape, yes, certainly, he'll both expect more and have more expected of him.

Garmin's plan A at the Tour will be Vande Velde, unless he's also managed to cook himself at the Giro. I doubt if Garmin originally planned for him to be working so hard in Italy. If Hesjedal makes a great recovery in time for the Tour he'll be a coleader, but if he hasn't and he goes it will be as a stage hunter and domestique with the balance between the two shifting depending on how well anyone on the team is doing on GC.

 

[Neworld]

He came 18th last year whilst being a domestique for Hushovd and Danielson so I expect him to come ...... 18th this year as well.

I hope he rides very well at the TdF but I think 'we' should be realistic too after such an arduous GT race. (I just made up 33rd, but pick a number under 20th and I will agree with you)

Cheers

 

[Neworld]

It's just a coincidence. English is Germanic too, after all.

The thing is, English and German turned the original /sk/ cluster into [ʃ], whereas the Norse languages kept it and Dutch turned it to [sx]. [ʃ] in Dutch and presumably Norwegian doesn't come from /sk/, but from a palatalized /s/ followed by /j/ (just like in English the original /s/ in words like "attention" or "sure" became [ʃ] by merging with a [j]. Since <sj> is not an English spelling, it's interpreted as s+j. If it was Anglicized as "Hesiedal" it would be different.

Excellent piece Hrotha, thanks

 

[Froome19]

I hope he rides very well at the TdF but I think 'we' should be realistic too after such an arduous GT race. (I just made up 33rd, but pick a number under 20th and I will agree with you)

Cheers

Exactly, I believe that it doesnt take too much strain to come between 15-20 as he showed last year. Generally these places are fought out by domestiques or TTs etc. Who arent looking at GC in reality.
He lost 3:57 on Luiz ardiden
5:37 on Plateau de Baille.
I expect him to put up relatively similar showings this time round with the exception of his stage 19 & 18 results which should be translated into the above figures which would put him borderline top 20, working for Danielson + Farrar or whoever else comes along.

 

[GoGarmin]

Garmin's plan A at the Tour will be Vande Velde, unless he's also managed to cook himself at the Giro. I doubt if Garmin originally planned for him to be working so hard in Italy. If Hesjedal makes a great recovery in time for the Tour he'll be a coleader, but if he hasn't and he goes it will be as a stage hunter and domestique with the balance between the two shifting depending on how well anyone on the team is doing on GC.

Hesjedal may or may not ride the tour. If he does there's almost no question it will be in support of VdV, at least at the start. Both will be protected at the start and if VdV stumbles then Ryder will get a chance if he's on good form. But after he peaked for the Giro he won't be on great form.

Instead I'm pretty sure we'll see him going all out for Christian, especially after what Christian did on the Stelvio for Ryder. It's a pretty closely knit team with good chemistry.

 

[webvan]

He'd certainly do it, but I can't see VDV being much of a factor in the TDF based on his Giro performance (lost 2 minutes to De Gent on the Stelvio) or on anything he's done since 2008 really...

 

[Froome19]

Garmin's plan A at the Tour will be Vande Velde, unless he's also managed to cook himself at the Giro. I doubt if Garmin originally planned for him to be working so hard in Italy. If Hesjedal makes a great recovery in time for the Tour he'll be a coleader, but if he hasn't and he goes it will be as a stage hunter and domestique with the balance between the two shifting depending on how well anyone on the team is doing on GC.

Vande Velde is gone and I believe Garmin know that. Considering that he hasnt shown much in the tour since 09 where he came 12 minutes down in 8th I think it is pretty clear he has declined and it would be better and I believe logical for Garmin to enter with an open mind, with Danielson, Martin and Vande Velde as possible contenders whist Talansky being the possible surprise package, as what happened last year early in the tour 3/4 of the above riders will have lost time and they will unite behind one man.

 

[staubsauger]

the question is how much energy he has left after the giro. obviously the competition this year was one of the weakest in last years and so the giro 2012 was much easier to ride in accord to previous editions.

a really strong guy like contador that is able to climb as well as doing a great tt might be easily able to secure up a giro/tour double this year. he just picked the wrong year in 2011 with the superior giro route. but contador is serving his ban until august and hesjedal even he's a pretty rider just isn't a dominator like contador.

but i won't be suprised if he's able to do a solid tour. contrariswise his next big gig could also be colorado due to commercial reasons.

 

[killswitch]

Vande Velde is gone and I believe Garmin know that. Considering that he hasnt shown much in the tour since 09 where he came 12 minutes down in 8th I think it is pretty clear he has declined and it would be better and I believe logical for Garmin to enter with an open mind, with Danielson, Martin and Vande Velde as possible contenders whist Talansky being the possible surprise package, as what happened last year early in the tour 3/4 of the above riders will have lost time and they will unite behind one man.

VDV did well in the Giro for someone who was there to train for TDF. TDF route doesn't suit Martin, he could go for KOM though. Eskimo man is overrated, but with many TT kms this year could get top 15 (top 10 if there are many crashes). Talansky was disappointing on Baldy.

 

[killswitch]

Instead I'm pretty sure we'll see him going all out for Christian, especially after what Christian did on the Stelvio for Ryder. It's a pretty closely knit team with good chemistry.

Ryder saved VDV's 4th place in TDF 2008 too (on stage 16?).

 

[GoGarmin]

Ryder saved VDV's 4th place in TDF 2008 too (on stage 16?).

Exactly right. He helped and waited for him on the descent when VdV crashed. Was great to see Christian get a chance to pay that back on Saturday.

 

[Alex III]

I do enjoy this cartoon!

From the Province.

For those non hockey fans, that is the Stanley Cup (National Hockey League).



link: http://www.theprovince.com/sports/Sports+cartoons+from+Krieger/2926089/story.html?id=2926089

 

[The Hitch]

Sorry, it's gone with the trash now. It was a nice shot of him in the TT though, and with the story it was top left and covered about 1/3 of the page. Pretty good coverage.

I'm surprised with the amount of interest you're taking in Canadian coverage of this story. Aren't you in the US, meaning your only interest in Canada should be pictures of people living in igloos?

my poster bar which you should be able to see says "London" which is London England not Texas or whatever.

I am taking an interest as a cycling fan. I want cycling to be covered and am happy when it is.

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

Vande Velde is gone and I believe Garmin know that. Considering that he hasnt shown much in the tour since 09 where he came 12 minutes down in 8th I think it is pretty clear he has declined and it would be better and I believe logical for Garmin to enter with an open mind, with Danielson, Martin and Vande Velde as possible contenders whist Talansky being the possible surprise package, as what happened last year early in the tour 3/4 of the above riders will have lost time and they will unite behind one man.

It is possible that Vande Velde is past his best, but I don't think it's clear that he is. As for Martin, I think he's the most talented rider on the Garmin team (or at least I did a week ago), but I also think they'd have to be nuts to expect a GC ride from him on this Tour parcours.

The chances are that Hesjedal will be cooked. Martin is pretty much the worst possible fit for the parcours. Talansky is one for the future, but he isn't at the necessary level yet. That really only leaves Vande Velde and Danielson.

The tiny grey lining on the massive silver cloud of their Giro win is that it does make things hard for them in the Tour. It's entirely possible that both Vande Velde and Hesjedal could be cooked, along with Stetina. They really don't have too many other guys who are capable of being with the last 25 on the climbs.

 

[Eric8-A]

Garmin's tour lineup will also need to be balanced in order to have support in the mountains, and support in the sprints for Tyler. The core of their team (that are still currently on the team) has always been Vandevelde, Millar, Zabriskie, and Farrar. So that's pretty much half the roster right there. Millar and Zabriskie can provide some horsepower on the flats, and Millar is a good rider to drag Tyler in the final K's of a race. As for his leadout, Robbie and Rasmusen just did the Giro, I'm not sure if they'll be picked for the Tour but they would have been some good riders for their leadout train. I have no idea what the situation with Koldo's been, but he's been going good and might be good for it.

Climbing wise, it really depends on who they can use. Vandevelde and Danielson will most likely be the ones to target the GC for the Tour. As for support, they do have Le Mevel, Dekker, Talansky, Martin, Hesjedal (if he decided to do it), and Summie. It will be dumb of Garmin to go with Martin for GC because look how many place he dropped in the Vuelta in the TT. So as for Vandevelde and Danielson, I'm really not sure as to who will perform better. Vandevelde did a good Giro even though he was riding in support of Hesjedal. But these guys are getting old.