SA racing scene / anti-doping (SAIDS) / Minolta / Barloworld

[thehog]

Sound a little cozy there in South Africa. Swart on the anti-doping commission, Impey let off with a dubious defence, coaching by Swart of Augustyn and others, a slew doping positives at Minolta and Barloworld. Froome testing by the "selected" Swart, links to the Lausanne lab.

I'm sure there's a lot more.. discuss.

 

[Alex Simmons/RST]

Could one not come up with the same sort of conjecture on just about any nation or (inter)national sporting admin body?

 

[sniper]

Re:

Could one not come up with the same sort of conjecture on just about any nation or (inter)national sporting admin body?

one can.
but should one therefore not discuss the particular case of SA?
i can think of a few reasons why SA is (currently) more interesting to look at than, say, Peru.

 

[GW15something]

Re: SA racing scene / anti-doping (SAIDS) / Minolta / Barlow

Sound a little cozy there in South Africa. Swart on the anti-doping commission, Impey let off with a dubious defence, coaching by Swart of Augustyn and others, a slew doping positives at Minolta and Barloworld. Froome testing by the "selected" Swart, links to the Lausanne lab.

I'm sure there's a lot more.. discuss.

There is nothing to discuss other than you are soooo far from the truth on this its scary. I know these subjects you speaking of very very well.

Impey: This was a total suprise to many when he was let off, he went at CSA with big buck lawyers and CSA being who they are accepted the poor excuse as they didnt have the money to fight this case. This has nothing to do with Dr Swart - in fact he was as suprised as the SA community about the ruling as CSA did it with no knowledge to anyone involved.

Barlowrold / Konica: He has had nothing to do with coaching anyone but Augustyn on any of those teams. So I dont know where your "others" comes from?? Please mention names of the others you speak of?
He didnt even know Froome then at all. He only started coaching Augustyn once he went to Dr Swart for the hip issue and operation that came from that. When he was was at BW and and mostly Sky he did not have a huge hand in coaching him, he was the go between Sky and Augustyn after the operation.

Dr Swart is probably 1 of the biggest anti-doping advocates you will ever meet and a brilliant scientist and sports physician you can get. The work he has done in the SA cycling community and in the fight against anti doping is more than any of you will ever know and ever be able to do.
I am not trying to defend him here at all as everyone is entitled to their own opinion which is fine but pretty much 99% of you have this all wrong about him and the fact you think you have are way off. Just cause he doesnt agree with you most of you or come out and said that Froome is a doper doesnt make him a fraud and corrupt. He goes on facts and figures not what he wants you all to hear.

flame away.

 

[sniper]

Would be good to have a clear picture of Swart's previous 'engagements' with SA cycling.

So he's been a longterm individual(?) coach of Augustyn, who in turn is portrayed in VavaFroome as one of Froome's best friends and training buddies during Froome's time in SA.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/john-lee-augustyn-announces-second-and-final-retirement/

Swart has also been close to MTN Qhubeka for years, though I'm not sure in which capacity.
https://twitter.com/JeroenSwart/status/403118697117937664

Then Swart was appointed as a cycling coach for SA during the 2012 Olympics.

Road: Daryl Impey, Robyn de Groot, Ashleigh Moolman, Joanna van de Winkel
Mountain bike: Phillip Buys, Candice Neethling, Burry Stander
BMX: Sifiso Nhlapo
Track: Bernard Esterhuizen
Coach/manager: Barry Austin, coach: Jean-Pierre van Zyl, Herve’ Krebs, Jeroen Swart Mechanic: Dylan van der Merwe

http://www.southafrica.info/news/sport/olympics-060612.htm#.VnnOLlmP-3s#ixzz3v5itPkLd

So he was working together there with Impey, which raises a first urgent question:
Did Swart, in his capacity as a member of SA antidoping, have any say in getting Impey of the hook?
http://velonews.competitor.com/2014/08/news/daryl-impey-return-racing-pharmacist-takes-doping-positive-blame_343150
edit: I see GW15something just addressed this question satisfactorily, cheers for that.

(p.s. Love Impey's final words there: "Cycling is not a hobby for me, it puts bread and water on the table for my family". Right, so no incentive to dope there, at all. )

 

[sniper]

Re: SA racing scene / anti-doping (SAIDS) / Minolta / Barlow

Sound a little cozy there in South Africa. Swart on the anti-doping commission, Impey let off with a dubious defence, coaching by Swart of Augustyn and others, a slew doping positives at Minolta and Barloworld. Froome testing by the "selected" Swart, links to the Lausanne lab.

I'm sure there's a lot more.. discuss.

There is nothing to discuss other than you are soooo far from the truth on this its scary. I know these subjects you speaking of very very well.

Impey: This was a total suprise to many when he was let off, he went at CSA with big buck lawyers and CSA being who they are accepted the poor excuse as they didnt have the money to fight this case. This has nothing to do with Dr Swart - in fact he was as suprised as the SA community about the ruling as CSA did it with no knowledge to anyone involved.

Barlowrold / Konica: He has had nothing to do with coaching anyone but Augustyn on any of those teams. So I dont know where your "others" comes from?? Please mention names of the others you speak of?
He didnt even know Froome then at all. He only started coaching Augustyn once he went to Dr Swart for the hip issue and operation that came from that. When he was was at BW and and mostly Sky he did not have a huge hand in coaching him, he was the go between Sky and Augustyn after the operation.

Dr Swart is probably 1 of the biggest anti-doping advocates you will ever meet and a brilliant scientist and sports physician you can get. The work he has done in the SA cycling community and in the fight against anti doping is more than any of you will ever know and ever be able to do.
I am not trying to defend him here at all as everyone is entitled to their own opinion which is fine but pretty much 99% of you have this all wrong about him and the fact you think you have are way off. Just cause he doesnt agree with you most of you or come out and said that Froome is a doper doesnt make him a fraud and corrupt. He goes on facts and figures not what he wants you all to hear.

flame away.

good post, we posted parallel, and i raised some issues there that you seem to address nicely here, particularly wrt Swart's possible involvment in Impey's case.

That said, I think wrt Swart we should stick to the facts and informed speculation.
Ones 'opinion' is irrelevant if there's nothing to back up that opinion with.

Some facts that could inform our speculation include:

- he's gone to strange lengths to defend Froome's 2007 data, never addressing the flaws (e.g. wrong BMI) that many in here spotted immediately. So no, he didn't just go on 'facts and figures', as you are suggesting. He clearly ignored certain 'facts and figures'.

- he has insulted and ridiculed many people who attempted reasonably to discuss doping and Froome on twitter. There was very little in there that suggested he's brilliant, be it as a scientist or as a person.

- in the podcast with Ross Tucker he uses laughably flawed arguments that only the most stubborn Sky fan would still cling onto. He said for instance that there has been 'absolutely nothing' on Sky, which is ridiculously ignorant at best. He also said that 'from his own experience' [ RED FLAG] Sky are a very 'open' team internally, even though he agrees that in public they could be more transparent. What he said there clearly suggested he's been in (too close?) personal contact with Team Sky prior to the testing with Froome.

- in the case regarding David George's positive, Swart was indirectly quoted as saying "this proves the system is working". If he really said that, that's ignorant at best. Deliberately deceiving at worst.

- in the discussion following the Esquire article he himself has never mentioned his prior engagements with Augustyn and MTN Qhubeka. He should have.

 

[GW15something]

Re:

Would be good to have a clear picture of Swart's previous 'engagements' with SA cycling.

So he's been a longterm individual(?) coach of Augustyn, who in turn is portrayed in VavaFroome as one of Froome's best friends and training buddies during Froome's time in SA.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/john-lee-augustyn-announces-second-and-final-retirement/

Swart has also been close to MTN Qhubeka for years, though I'm not sure in which capacity.
https://twitter.com/JeroenSwart/status/403118697117937664

Then Swart was appointed as a cycling coach for SA during the 2012 Olympics.

Road: Daryl Impey, Robyn de Groot, Ashleigh Moolman, Joanna van de Winkel
Mountain bike: Phillip Buys, Candice Neethling, Burry Stander
BMX: Sifiso Nhlapo
Track: Bernard Esterhuizen
Coach/manager: Barry Austin, coach: Jean-Pierre van Zyl, Herve’ Krebs, Jeroen Swart Mechanic: Dylan van der Merwe

http://www.southafrica.info/news/sport/olympics-060612.htm#.VnnOLlmP-3s#ixzz3v5itPkLd

So he was working together there with Impey, which raises a first urgent question:
Did Swart, in his capacity as a member of SA antidoping, have any say in getting Impey of the hook?
http://velonews.competitor.com/2014/08/news/daryl-impey-return-racing-pharmacist-takes-doping-positive-blame_343150
edit: I see GW15something just addressed this question satisfactorily, cheers for that.

(p.s. Love Impey's final words there: "Cycling is not a hobby for me, it puts bread and water on the table for my family". Right, so no incentive to dope there, at all. )

Swart was the Mountain bike coach for the Olympics nothing to do with road as he was working with Buys and Stander. Austin was road manager.
Swart had nothing to do with getting Impey off the hook, the opposite in fact.
He is NOT close to MTN in any way at all. Louis is a big SA hopeful in terms of Cycling and to give the guy encouragement is nothing dodgy. I can show you about 4 other coaches / trainers and managers twitter accounts that congratulate him. MTN is a homegrown team and South African cycling community are passionate about it and show huge support.
If you really looking for a dodge Dr and coaches to hang for MTN then please go and look at Activeworx who has been with MTN since their inception as a continental team when Ian Mcloud was positive at SA Champs. (AW has nothing to do with that in my honest opinion)
He has in no way worked with Impey.

This board is so far off on facts here and you seem to be clutching straws trying to hang a man.

 

[sniper]

Re: Re:

Would be good to have a clear picture of Swart's previous 'engagements' with SA cycling.

So he's been a longterm individual(?) coach of Augustyn, who in turn is portrayed in VavaFroome as one of Froome's best friends and training buddies during Froome's time in SA.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/john-lee-augustyn-announces-second-and-final-retirement/

Swart has also been close to MTN Qhubeka for years, though I'm not sure in which capacity.
https://twitter.com/JeroenSwart/status/403118697117937664

Then Swart was appointed as a cycling coach for SA during the 2012 Olympics.

Road: Daryl Impey, Robyn de Groot, Ashleigh Moolman, Joanna van de Winkel
Mountain bike: Phillip Buys, Candice Neethling, Burry Stander
BMX: Sifiso Nhlapo
Track: Bernard Esterhuizen
Coach/manager: Barry Austin, coach: Jean-Pierre van Zyl, Herve’ Krebs, Jeroen Swart Mechanic: Dylan van der Merwe

http://www.southafrica.info/news/sport/olympics-060612.htm#.VnnOLlmP-3s#ixzz3v5itPkLd

So he was working together there with Impey, which raises a first urgent question:
Did Swart, in his capacity as a member of SA antidoping, have any say in getting Impey of the hook?
http://velonews.competitor.com/2014/08/news/daryl-impey-return-racing-pharmacist-takes-doping-positive-blame_343150
edit: I see GW15something just addressed this question satisfactorily, cheers for that.

(p.s. Love Impey's final words there: "Cycling is not a hobby for me, it puts bread and water on the table for my family". Right, so no incentive to dope there, at all. )

Swart was the Mountain bike coach for the Olympics nothing to do with road as he was working with Buys and Stander. Austin was road manager.
Swart had nothing to do with getting Impey off the hook, the opposite in fact.
He is NOT close to MTN in any way at all. Louis is a big SA hopeful in terms of Cycling and to give the guy encouragement is nothing dodgy. I can show you about 4 other coaches / trainers and managers twitter accounts that congratulate him. MTN is a homegrown team and South African cycling community are passionate about it and show huge support.
If you really looking for a dodge Dr and coaches to hang for MTN then please go and look at Activeworx who has been with MTN since their inception as a continental team when Ian Mcloud was positive at SA Champs. (AW has nothing to do with that in my honest opinion)
He has in no way worked with Impey.

very well informed post, thanks. It's the kind of input i think this thread was created for.

This board is so far off on facts here and you seem to be clutching straws trying to hang a man.

nobody's trying to hang nobody.
From the get go Swart has gone off ranting against people who tried to discuss froome and doping, using a number of flawed arguments that have been shown to be flawed long time ago when Walsh published a couple of farcical pro-Froome articles+biography. Swart just recycled some of those Walsh arguments to the point of being disingenuous. (see my previous post)
Instead he could and probably should have stayed agnostic on the matter of Froome doping. It would have raised less eyebrows.

 

[sniper]

back on topic:

If you really looking for a dodge Dr and coaches to hang for MTN then please go and look at Activeworx who has been with MTN since their inception as a continental team when Ian Mcloud was positive at SA Champs.

very interesting.

(though again your wording is a bit off, nobody is looking to hang nobody, just people trying to get to the bottom of things.)

 

[Jacques de Molay]

Re: SA racing scene / anti-doping (SAIDS) / Minolta / Barlow

- in the discussion following the Esquire article he himself has never mentioned his prior engagements with Augustyn and MTN Qhubeka. He should have.

I'm not sure which "discussion" you're referring to.

In his introduction at the very beginning of the first podcast, Swart says,

I still work very much in high-level cycling, working with many top international athletes like Ashleigh Pasio, the late Burry Stander, John-Lee Augustyn in the past, and a number of other top road and mountain bike professionals. So I feel well versed specifically in cycling, and that’s my background.

Not to mention, until that statement was made by Swart, I never saw any reference here in The Clinic whatsoever to his connection with Augustyn. Not that it was any sort of secret, but no one mentioned it here, including thehog, until Swart himself did in that podcast.

 

[blackcat]

Re: SA racing scene / anti-doping (SAIDS) / Minolta / Barlow

he went at CSA with big buck lawyers

I bet Gerry paid for that.

The cyclist in Australia who rode for a div 2 team about a decade back like Colnago Tennesteiner, the mineral water co from lowlands that came into cycling in a smaller way about half a decade behind Gerolsteiner, well, that guy was racing for Praties or some domestic team in Aus and was busted, and Gerry said he would fund his appeal to the CAS or ASADA. The cyclist then died in a beach road vehicular v cyclist accident about 30 mnths back.

Gerry has done great things for Australian cycling, him and Matt White are champions of the sport and more influential than Evans ever was.

Jayco Gerry. Gerry Ryan

 

[Jacques de Molay]

Re: SA racing scene / anti-doping (SAIDS) / Minolta / Barlow

- in the podcast...He also said that 'from his own experience' [ RED FLAG] Sky are a very 'open' team internally, even though he agrees that in public they could be more transparent. What he said there clearly suggested he's been in (too close?) personal contact with Team Sky prior to the testing with Froome.

This is where you're getting yourself into trouble, and stirring up certain reactions.

Swart did not say, "from his own experience." What Swart actually said, and it's right there @5:30 in part two of the podcast is...

Internally, ya' know, I hear they're a particularly open team.

This is all preceded by him criticizing Sky's PR, and how Brailsford's deflection of important questions is not serving the team very well. Swart has "heard" that the team is open and transparent internally, but the point he is making is that their supposed internal policy is at odds with how things are handled with the media outside.

What he said there clearly suggested he's been in (too close?) personal contact with Team Sky prior to the testing with Froome.

He has suggested no such thing. Your interpretation of his quote is entirely false.

 

[Freddythefrog]

Re: SA racing scene / anti-doping (SAIDS) / Minolta / Barlow

Thanks Jacques I didn't know he said that. Thank you very much for posting that up and focusing on it.

After the highs of the last couple of days I was thinking this was going to be a less fun day. You have brought the biggest smile to my face all day.

Latest logic - team founder and World respected team management guru writes policy for internal testing and verification, rigorously enforces internal compliance but then decides to trash all the good work by appearing shifty and evasive in public interviews.

Yeah, I can buy that, after all, two days ago we had an email addressed to the son of embattled ex president starting off "Dear papa" . I am going to put my shoes on my head !

 

[sniper]

Re: SA racing scene / anti-doping (SAIDS) / Minolta / Barlow

- in the discussion following the Esquire article he himself has never mentioned his prior engagements with Augustyn and MTN Qhubeka. He should have.

I'm not sure which "discussion" you're referring to.

yeah, thanks for checking, i stand corrected.
do you have a transcript of that podcast somewhere?

 

[Jacques de Molay]

Re: SA racing scene / anti-doping (SAIDS) / Minolta / Barlow

do you have a transcript of that podcast somewhere?

No, I just make notes of certain things as I go along, mostly to satisfy my own curiosity. When specific quotes are referred to though, I do like to verify to the best of my ability. I do the same when reading books, etc. I take lots of notes.

 

[sniper]

Re: SA racing scene / anti-doping (SAIDS) / Minolta / Barlow

What he said there clearly suggested he's been in (too close?) personal contact with Team Sky prior to the testing with Froome.

He has suggested no such thing. Your interpretation of his quote is entirely false.

indeed 'he has suggested no such thing'. I never said he did.
I said his words there suggest it.
if he hears about things going on internally, it suggests he's too close. who told him that?

 

[Jacques de Molay]

Re: SA racing scene / anti-doping (SAIDS) / Minolta / Barlow

indeed 'he has suggested no such thing'. I never said he did.
I said his words there suggest it.

I'm not sure how to separate his "words" (or anyone's for that matter) from what someone conveys.

I would suggest that "hearing" about things, from someone else, is quite a bit different from hearing such things firsthand. I've no idea who might have told him that, but it would come as no surprise if he heard it from multiple sources. People talk. In all walks of life. I could easily imagine that Swart is in touch with all sorts of people who mix and mingle in the inner circles of several teams—especially as the participants themselves come and go, and switch teams frequently.

I hear about things all the time, in my professional life, that in no way whatsoever link me any more directly to the source of the stories than if I had never heard them to begin with. People talk.

 

[GW15something]

Re:

back on topic:

If you really looking for a dodge Dr and coaches to hang for MTN then please go and look at Activeworx who has been with MTN since their inception as a continental team when Ian Mcloud was positive at SA Champs.

very interesting.

(though again your wording is a bit off, nobody is looking to hang nobody, just people trying to get to the bottom of things.)

To someone sitting on a fence choosing no sides here, with what I believe to be a lot more actual facts about somebody and this process, it looks very clear Swart is being made out to be a *** artist who knows nothing and is a Sky defender while being corrupt in his job with Drug Free Sport by getting athletes off the hook.Also while coaching athletes who he never has in life to top if off with association to teams he has never had.

Each to their own but please guys, get real info, not thumb suck stuff and present the facts that are real, not what you make up and evidently want to hear. A good discussion is based on truth and facts.

 

[GW15something]

Re: SA racing scene / anti-doping (SAIDS) / Minolta / Barlow

he went at CSA with big buck lawyers

I bet Gerry paid for that.

The cyclist in Australia who rode for a div 2 team about a decade back like Colnago Tennesteiner, the mineral water co from lowlands that came into cycling in a smaller way about half a decade behind Gerolsteiner, well, that guy was racing for Praties or some domestic team in Aus and was busted, and Gerry said he would fund his appeal to the CAS or ASADA. The cyclist then died in a beach road vehicular v cyclist accident about 30 mnths back.

Gerry has done great things for Australian cycling, him and Matt White are champions of the sport and more influential than Evans ever was.

Jayco Gerry. Gerry Ryan

Interesting post that, thank you.I am not sure who it was that funded that but it was a heavy hitter lawyer. Impeys walk from serving a penalty from this all has not sat well with SA cycling community as a whole. Yes, many believe he was innocent as you do, but many have not. Jokes still fly around about capsules and bi-carb.

 

[blackcat]

Re: SA racing scene / anti-doping (SAIDS) / Minolta / Barlow

Interesting post that, thank you.I am not sure who it was that funded that but it was a heavy hitter lawyer. Impeys walk from serving a penalty from this all has not sat well with SA cycling community as a whole. Yes, many believe he was innocent as you do, but many have not. Jokes still fly around about capsules and bi-carb.

I actually dont think he was innocent, but I am not willing to say he is guilty when everyone else is doping too. ofcourse he was doping is my position, but how is it justice if only one rider gets popped for doing what everyone else is doing.

and he did some brilliant work for Gerro and Michael Matthews, and if he could have ridden for himself, or got support, I am sure he would get a stage win at the Tour.

He is my favourite rider with the Swiss guy Michael Albasini. underdogs, small guys, contribute significantly to the wins of Gerro and Matthews. deserve everything in return.

If Gerry was willing to pay for the domestic rider who had ridden for Tönissteiner-Colnago on his defense before ASADA, as a way to protect the Australian cycling community, Gerry woulda put major resources behind Impey and GreenEdge to get him off this charge. well done I say.

edit:
NB. Gerry Ryan is the owner of the team and even with Orica he has paid most out of his own pocket...

dare say, at the current exchange rate, he would have put in about $US 30 million. I think the aus dollar current ly sits 65cents American. Or a greenback costs australians 1.50.

 

[sniper]

Re: SA racing scene / anti-doping (SAIDS) / Minolta / Barlow

indeed 'he has suggested no such thing'. I never said he did.
I said his words there suggest it.

I'm not sure how to separate his "words" (or anyone's for that matter) from what someone conveys.

I would suggest that "hearing" about things, from someone else, is quite a bit different from hearing such things firsthand. I've no idea who might have told him that, but it would come as no surprise if he heard it from multiple sources. People talk. In all walks of life. I could easily imagine that Swart is in touch with all sorts of people who mix and mingle in the inner circles of several teams—especially as the participants themselves come and go, and switch teams frequently.

I hear about things all the time, in my professional life, that in no way whatsoever link me any more directly to the source of the stories than if I had never heard them to begin with. People talk.

granted, fair point(s).

 

[GW15something]

Re: SA racing scene / anti-doping (SAIDS) / Minolta / Barlow

Interesting post that, thank you.I am not sure who it was that funded that but it was a heavy hitter lawyer. Impeys walk from serving a penalty from this all has not sat well with SA cycling community as a whole. Yes, many believe he was innocent as you do, but many have not. Jokes still fly around about capsules and bi-carb.

I actually dont think he was innocent, but I am not willing to say he is guilty when everyone else is doping too. ofcourse he was doping is my position, but how is it justice if only one rider gets popped for doing what everyone else is doing.

and he did some brilliant work for Gerro and Michael Matthews, and if he could have ridden for himself, or got support, I am sure he would get a stage win at the Tour.

He is my favourite rider with the Swiss guy Michael Albasini. underdogs, small guys, contribute significantly to the wins of Gerro and Matthews. deserve everything in return.

If Gerry was willing to pay for the domestic rider who had ridden for Tönissteiner-Colnago on his defense before ASADA, as a way to protect the Australian cycling community, Gerry woulda put major resources behind Impey and GreenEdge to get him off this charge. well done I say.

edit:
NB. Gerry Ryan is the owner of the team and even with Orica he has paid most out of his own pocket...

dare say, at the current exchange rate, he would have put in about $US 30 million. I think the aus dollar current ly sits 65cents American. Or a greenback costs australians 1.50.

When I said "as you do" I meant was that as people do. Fans, family etc. Great informative post. Thanks again.

 

[sniper]

Re: SA racing scene / anti-doping (SAIDS) / Minolta / Barlow

When I said "as you do" I meant was that as people do. Fans, family etc. Great informative post. Thanks again.

if i may ask, what's your view about Austin? (or what's the general view about him among those close to the SA cycling scene?)
though I havent searched extensively, I can't find much on him other than that he was managing Konica Minolta in 2005 and trainer of the olympic road team in 2012. (none of the Wiki entries on KM mention him).

 

[blackcat]

Re: SA racing scene / anti-doping (SAIDS) / Minolta / Barlow

When I said "as you do" I meant was that as people do. Fans, family etc. Great informative post. Thanks again.

if i may ask, what's your view about Austin? (or what's the general view about him among those close to the SA cycling scene?)
though I havent searched extensively, I can't find much on him other than that he was managing Konica Minolta in 2005 and trainer of the olympic road team in 2012. (none of the Wiki entries on KM mention him).

decent music festival, if you can set aside that it was knaggs stapleton and CSE property that is Austin City Limits, decent music at bike shop #TexPat

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5CvZTIoir8
#stonedandstarving @ParquetCourts #BostonGargen #ReggieLewis #LenBias
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rEwOhbSbeI

 

[GW15something]

Re: SA racing scene / anti-doping (SAIDS) / Minolta / Barlow

When I said "as you do" I meant was that as people do. Fans, family etc. Great informative post. Thanks again.

if i may ask, what's your view about Austin? (or what's the general view about him among those close to the SA cycling scene?)
though I havent searched extensively, I can't find much on him other than that he was managing Konica Minolta in 2005 and trainer of the olympic road team in 2012. (none of the Wiki entries on KM mention him).

If I had a child who was into cycling I wouldnt send him/her there to be trained. The Michael van Staden incident back in the day and everything surrounding it would be enough to not send them.

But if I knew he was the Olympic Road manager I would cause then you are basically guaranteed a spot on the Olympic SA Team or any National SA Road Team....