Sagan Clean?

[Benotti69]

Gotta love Sagan calling himself, Hulk, a doctor who took a substance that gave enormous powers!!!! That should be an indicator of Sagan's attitude to PEDs

 

[saganftw]

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Gotta love Sagan's calling himself, Hulk, a doctor who took a substance that gave enormous powers!!!! That should be an indicator of Sagan's attitude to PEDs

the doctors name was bruce banner...hulk is completly different entity and it didnt take any substances

 

[Maxiton]

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Gotta love Sagan's calling himself, Hulk, a doctor who took a substance that gave enormous powers!!!! That should be an indicator of Sagan's attitude to PEDs

the doctors name was bruce banner...hulk is completly different entity and it didnt take any substances

Signed,

Sagan-For-The-Win

 

[PremierAndrew]

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Gotta love Sagan's calling himself, Hulk, a doctor who took a substance that gave enormous powers!!!! That should be an indicator of Sagan's attitude to PEDs

the doctors name was bruce banner...hulk is completly different entity and it didnt take any substances

Slight feeling you may be biased here

 

[saganftw]

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Gotta love Sagan's calling himself, Hulk, a doctor who took a substance that gave enormous powers!!!! That should be an indicator of Sagan's attitude to PEDs

the doctors name was bruce banner...hulk is completly different entity and it didnt take any substances

Slight feeling you may be biased here

i admit,i might be biased towards Marvel...never really liked DC universe

 

[sniper]

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A good youth record means nothing.

agreed.

Lots of youths dope these days too

"these days" is an unnecessary qualifier here.
As long as there is doping, there is youth doping.

 

[Echoes]

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A good youth record means nothing. Lots of youths dope these days too

Quoted for truth.

I've always thought that juniors who doped never turned pro. But then you have the Spilak case.

Anyway, why on earth is having talent an excuse for doping. It's on the contrary an aggravating circumstance.

 

[Nick C.]

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Gotta love Sagan calling himself, Hulk, a doctor who took a substance that gave enormous powers!!!! That should be an indicator of Sagan's attitude to PEDs

I thought Dr. Banner was struck by gamma rays when he ran into a field where they were testing them to save a child who had wandered into it. Perhaps that is from the original origin story and things have changed.

 

[sniper]

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I've always thought that juniors who doped never turned pro. But then you have the Spilak case.

there are literally tons of examples of youth dopers turning pro, from all eras.

 

[tantocomo]

Arse grabbing aside he's exactly the kind of personality that all professional sports are crying out for nowadays. So no chance of him getting busted there, and especially now since in the last 12 months he's become too big to fail too.

 

[Maxiton]

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**** grabbing aside he's exactly the kind of personality that all professional sports are crying out for nowadays. So no chance of him getting busted there, and especially now since in the last 12 months he's become too big to fail too.

Nowadays people are generally more aware of sexism, which is a good thing, and consequently Sagan takes a lot of stick for that bum grabbing - but I took it as a refreshing bit of cheeky (pardon the pun) irreverence - which is sorely needed because along with our greater awareness we've also become, imo, too uptight.

 

[Benotti69]

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Gotta love Sagan calling himself, Hulk, a doctor who took a substance that gave enormous powers!!!! That should be an indicator of Sagan's attitude to PEDs

Do you even enjoy cycling?

do you love doping?

Why get personal?

 

[Benotti69]

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Gotta love Sagan calling himself, Hulk, a doctor who took a substance that gave enormous powers!!!! That should be an indicator of Sagan's attitude to PEDs

I thought Dr. Banner was struck by gamma rays when he ran into a field where they were testing them to save a child who had wandered into it. Perhaps that is from the original origin story and things have changed.

I was placing much not weight on the hulk thing as proof of doping. Just kind of funny, the analogy. I dont think Sagan is clean and the transformation of Banner from normal 'human' to the hulk is the funny thing relating to Sagan.

 

[blackcat]

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A good youth record means nothing. Lots of youths dope these days too

Quoted for truth.

I've always thought that juniors who doped never turned pro. But then you have the Spilak case.

Anyway, why on earth is having talent an excuse for doping. It's on the contrary an aggravating circumstance.

Genevieve Jeanson
Oscar Sevilla

I think 16 is about the age.

and I dont think they are unique. I think they are the rule.

Lance was doping himself in tri's at that age, before Chris Carmichael and the US underage national team and his <edited by mods>

 

[blackcat]

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**** grabbing aside he's exactly the kind of personality that all professional sports are crying out for nowadays. So no chance of him getting busted there, and especially now since in the last 12 months he's become too big to fail too.

Nowadays people are generally more aware of sexism, which is a good thing, and consequently Sagan takes a lot of stick for that bum grabbing - but I took it as a refreshing bit of cheeky (pardon the pun) irreverence - which is sorely needed because along with our greater awareness we've also become, imo, too uptight.

heck, Cipo would take his podium girls straight up to his suite and give them a "what-for" and George Hincapie married one cos George has the IQ and personality of a <edited by mods>.

 

[Maxiton]

Looks like I missed all the fun.

 

[tantocomo]

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**** grabbing aside he's exactly the kind of personality that all professional sports are crying out for nowadays. So no chance of him getting busted there, and especially now since in the last 12 months he's become too big to fail too.

Nowadays people are generally more aware of sexism, which is a good thing, and consequently Sagan takes a lot of stick for that bum grabbing - but I took it as a refreshing bit of cheeky (pardon the pun) irreverence - which is sorely needed because along with our greater awareness we've also become, imo, too uptight.

heck, Cipo would take his podium girls straight up to his suite and give them a "what-for" and George Hincapie married one cos George has the IQ and personality of a <edited by mods>.

I completely agree, but my point in the 21st century there's better ways of doing it such as pulling wheeles! Maybe he was making a very very subtle point about the need for podium girls.

And I don't know what blackcat has been edited for but I laughed anyway!

 

[blackcat]

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And I don't know what blackcat has been edited for but I laughed anyway!

edited for drollery

 

[86TDFWinner]

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He looks like he is as clean as any winner could've ever been in such a demanding sport. I doubt any other monument winner (that was a favorite) was cleaner than him, at least if we are looking at the past 100 years.

Before 1916 trains were the new epo, so who knows.

He certainly looks cleaner than Lemond ever did.

Besides, we all got written confirmation from Anquetil in the 50s that you can't win anything on bread and water. What are you pretending? What's the real meaning of your question? What is considered "doping"? Is he allowed to drug himself as much as those riders that kept their wins, right?

Let him ride. What a joy he brings to this sport.

To the bolded: He does? Explain please? Have any results that back up your claims?

 

[Cannibal72]

I think blackcat's simile was the most beautiful thing I've ever read. It was just the loquacious way of expressing something so viscerally repulsive and obviously true. If you missed it....you missed a lot.

 

[pedromiguelmartins]

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Gotta love Sagan calling himself, Hulk, a doctor who took a substance that gave enormous powers!!!! That should be an indicator of Sagan's attitude to PEDs

Do you even enjoy cycling?

do you love doping?

Why get personal?

Lol No, but I did the fifth grade many moons ago. I know doping and cheating was always a huge part of all sports, even this one. And I enjoyed it a lot, for what it is supposed to be: entertaining and amazing feats.

If you don't like it like it has ever been, what's the point? There's something sad in there.

He looks like he is as clean as any winner could've ever been in such a demanding sport. I doubt any other monument winner (that was a favorite) was cleaner than him, at least if we are looking at the past 100 years.

Before 1916 trains were the new epo, so who knows.

He certainly looks cleaner than Lemond ever did.

Besides, we all got written confirmation from Anquetil in the 50s that you can't win anything on bread and water. What are you pretending? What's the real meaning of your question? What is considered "doping"? Is he allowed to drug himself as much as those riders that kept their wins, right?

Let him ride. What a joy he brings to this sport.

To the bolded: He does? Explain please? Have any results that back up your claims?

Isn't it obvious? Do you have any evidence that that isn't the case?

 

[blackcat]

if anyone wishes to know about the droll remarks that missed irondan, just pm me

 

[Irondan]

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if anyone wishes to know about the droll remarks that missed irondan, just pm me

I'm certain I didn't miss anything, that's why it was edited.

 

[the delgados]

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I think blackcat's simile was the most beautiful thing I've ever read. It was just the loquacious way of expressing something so viscerally repulsive and obviously true. If you missed it....you missed a lot.

Hear hear!
blackcat should be on the payroll of cyclingnews.

 

[Irondan]

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I think blackcat's simile was the most beautiful thing I've ever read. It was just the loquacious way of expressing something so viscerally repulsive and obviously true. If you missed it....you missed a lot.

Hear hear!
blackcat should be on the payroll of cyclingnews.

Agreed, but some of the more "questionable" material is unnecessary.