Sassi?

[THISISIT]

Complicit, duped, or possibly right?

So I would guess if he's telling the truth and is correct that makes Basso the first rider to win a GT without dope since the early '90s if ever?

Interesting that Cioni is one of his riders. That guy was nearly on the podium at the Giro in 2005 and had some other good results, then gets a sit-out for violating the 50% hct rule, testing starts to become more rigorous and he's done diddly squat since.

 

[JRTinMA]

Complicit, duped, or possibly right?

So I would guess if he's telling the truth and is correct that makes Basso the first rider to win a GT without dope since the early '90s if ever?

Interesting that Cioni is one of his riders. That guy was nearly on the podium at the Giro in 2005 and had some other good results, then gets a sit-out for violating the 50% hct rule, testing starts to become more rigorous and he's done diddly squat since.

If you believe that Sassi can guarantee his riders are clean then I guess Basso is the first clean rider since Lemond to win a GT. Thats pretty big news btw. I see in the article he claims to use a hemoglobin mass test and I have no idea what that is but I'm sure its available to WADA labs. If this is the case is Sassi any better at interpreting the biological passport than the current expert panel? I hope Basso won clean and maybe this will stop somebody from doping. If I was forced to pick one rider to bet my life on with an impressive palmares it would be Evans and Sassi is his coach so he's proven his methods work. I wish him luck with the brain tumor, he seems to take it in stride but after reading his comments if one of his rides went + it would crush him.

 

[Barrus]

I hope he is right off course. I do not believe so, if you look at it realistically.

But honestly part of me hopes that even if he is wrong, none of his riders test positive, because I fear what effect it might have on him

 

[rolfrae]

I can't believe that Basso would lie to Sassi's face about being clean. It was bad enough that he swore on his (then dying) mother's life that he wasn't doping back in the Birillo days. Surely he wouldn't be lying again?

 

[Hugh Januss]

I can't believe that Basso would lie to Sassi's face about being clean. It was bad enough that he swore on his (then dying) mother's life that he wasn't doping back in the Birillo days. Surely he wouldn't be lying again?

Hah good one! Maybe this is the new template, where the DS and the team really have nothing to do with the rider's special preparation, and so have complete plausible deniability when the crap comes down. Or maybe brain tumors can cause gullibility.

 

[Oldman]

Hah good one! Maybe this is the new template, where the DS and the team really have nothing to do with the rider's special preparation, and so have complete plausible deniability when the crap comes down. Or maybe brain tumors can cause gullibility.

Any profitable business that regularly operates beyond the boundaries of legality would have this separation. If Sassi was asked if he'd bet his salary from that period to now and his future income on his certainty; do you think he'd provide the same answer?

 

[rolfrae]

Any profitable business that regularly operates beyond the boundaries of legality would have this separation. If Sassi was asked if he'd bet his salary from that period to now and his future income on his certainty; do you think he'd provide the same answer?

He might be dead before we'd ever find out.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Bruyneel also said he looked in Basso's eyes and knew he was telling the truth about being clean.

LOL. Pro cycling is funny.

 

[El Pistolero]

Yeah, he won the Giro 2006 being clean.

Good one. Someone who swore on his dying mother that he wasn't doping while he was doping says enough about his personality. He might be a lot cleaner since 2006, but I bet he and many other top cyclists still do blood transfusions and micro-dosing.

 

[Benotti69]

What did Sassi offer to prove that his riders are clean?

 

[tubularglue]

What did Sassi offer to prove that his riders are clean?

all of basso's documentation/test results

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

all of basso's documentation/test results

Showing yet again that Basso has NEVER, EVER, EVER tested positive.

Booya. FREE IVAN. FREE IVAN.

 

[tubularglue]

i doubt sassi's lying, do you?

do not know what goes on in Basso's head. He has lied before.

Actually our greatest truth is that we lie. Just look in the mirror.

so I believe it comes down to: do we believe? for whatever that is worth these dayz. The wheel turns and turns

 

[The Bald Eagle]

It would seem that nowadays To won a grand Tour. It is impossible without performance enhancing substances. Like the myth of the body builder who can build massive muscle without HGH, Testoserone, Clenbuterol or steroid's. I have heard in the body building scene that clenbuterol is such a popular enhancer that the female body builders are doing sexual favors for the men, like "suckin knobs" pardon the pun, such is their addiction and desperation to get clenbuterol. Can one imagine that scene in the locker room. Jaysus can one imagine if professional cycling ended up like that if it already hasn't.

 

[Fowsto Cope-E]

Yeah, he won the Giro 2006 being clean.

Good one. Someone who swore on his dying mother that he wasn't doping while he was doping says enough about his personality. He might be a lot cleaner since 2006, but I bet he and many other top cyclists still do blood transfusions and micro-dosing.

What does "cleaner" mean? IMO, either you're a doper, or you're not; there aren't degrees of cleanliness.

 

[hrotha]

What does "cleaner" mean? IMO, either you're a doper, or you're not; there aren't degrees of cleanliness.

It means 2010 Basso is as dirty as he can get away with now, just as 2006 Basso was as dirty as he could get away with four years ago, but 2006 Basso would wipe the floor with 2010 Basso.

 

[Mambo95]

I think Sassi's on the level. When Basso wanted to show he was riding clean he broke off his previous associations and went with Sassi because of his reputation.

He was the first guy to ban his riders (at post-Lefevre Mapei) from seeing any outside doctors (specifically Ferrari). Sinkewitz said that was the only team he didn't dope at.

LeMond says do full body HG tests, you all say, bring that in. Sassi actually does it and you all cry foul.

The man maybe the biggest fraud going, but I think that's highly unlikely.

He's doing a lot to promote clean cycling, yet some of you want to attack him. I really think some of you are in fear of clean cycling, because doping is all you follow the sport for.

(I've used the word 'all' a lot. I don't really mean all.)

 

[Chuffy]

I think Sassi's on the level. When Basso wanted to show he was riding clean he broke off his previous associations and went with Sassi because of his reputation.

He was the first guy to ban his riders (at post-Lefevre Mapei) from seeing any outside doctors (specifically Ferrari). Sinkewitz said that was the only team he didn't dope at.

LeMond says do full body HG tests, you all say, bring that in. Sassi actually does it and you all cry foul.

The man maybe the biggest fraud going, but I think that's highly unlikely.

He's doing a lot to promote clean cycling, yet some of you want to attack him. I really think some of you are in fear of clean cycling, because doping is all you follow the sport for.

(I've used the word 'all' a lot. I don't really mean all.)

I'm still getting up to speed on all this (Mr Sassi is new to me, so I've obviously got lots of homework to do) but it would appear that what he is offering is basically little more than his good word. I'm not in a position to have much of an opinion about that but you would surely agree that trust is a rare thing these days?

 

[brianf7]

No one has ever found anything on any of them so untill proven we leave them alone and asume inocence.

 

[brianf7]

What did Sassi offer to prove that his riders are clean?

He said he trusts them and that is all we need for now. He cant say anything else can he.

 

[auscyclefan94]

Bruyneel also said he looked in Basso's eyes and knew he was telling the truth about being clean.

LOL. Pro cycling is funny.

I am now starting to wonder if that conversation ever took place!

I think Sassi's on the level. When Basso wanted to show he was riding clean he broke off his previous associations and went with Sassi because of his reputation.

He was the first guy to ban his riders (at post-Lefevre Mapei) from seeing any outside doctors (specifically Ferrari). Sinkewitz said that was the only team he didn't dope at.

LeMond says do full body HG tests, you all say, bring that in. Sassi actually does it and you all cry foul.

The man maybe the biggest fraud going, but I think that's highly unlikely.

He's doing a lot to promote clean cycling, yet some of you want to attack him. I really think some of you are in fear of clean cycling, because doping is all you follow the sport for.

(I've used the word 'all' a lot. I don't really mean all.)

Good post. especially the bold part.

 

[Roninho]

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He's doing a lot to promote clean cycling, yet some of you want to attack him. I really think some of you are in fear of clean cycling, because doping is all you follow the sport for.

I get your point, the problem i have with claims like sassi is the only argument he has is just trust me and he includes an emotional appeal (with mentioning his sickness). Unfortunately there have been many of these emotional comments in the past years (like basso's i swear it on my sick mother that i did not dope) that just make me hesistant to trust someone in cycling.

I really hope his comments are true, i'm just not buying it.

 

[Benotti69]

Well let's look at Sassi, worked with Conconi and Ferrari, did he offer evidence in the Ferarri trial to rid the sport of the 'doping devil'?

When did Sassi come out against doping? He is not a young man so is he jumping on a band wagon?

Look at his riders, Basso an ex doper and inviting Ricco another ex doper. Ricco has probably been doping since his junior days. Instead of turning his back on a snake like Ricco, i see him saying that i can make you achieve the same with Mapei 'medicine' and make you 'Sassi clean', which he hopes to brand in the world of pro cycling.

His comments about maximum wattage are high comparable to rates in the 80's are they not? How does he achieve this in his Mapei training centre?

His comments are based on blood values and high wattage!

I don't buy it.

 

[brianf7]

His comments about maximum wattage are high comparable to rates in the 80's are they not? How does he achieve this in his Mapei training centre?

His comments are based on blood values and high wattage!

I don't buy it.[/QUOTE]

Anyone remember how we tested wattage in 1880's from memory it was a lot different to the tools we have now. we were only starting to use Heart rates in the 1980's

The old XT computer with two floppy drives were the thing of the day Hard drives had only just been invented you had two colours green & black and orange & black.

Them were the days no viruses.

 

[auscyclefan94]

Well let's look at Sassi, worked with Conconi and Ferrari, did he offer evidence in the Ferarri trial to rid the sport of the 'doping devil'?

When did Sassi come out against doping? He is not a young man so is he jumping on a band wagon?

Look at his riders, Basso an ex doper and inviting Ricco another ex doper. Ricco has probably been doping since his junior days. Instead of turning his back on a snake like Ricco, i see him saying that i can make you achieve the same with Mapei 'medicine' and make you 'Sassi clean', which he hopes to brand in the world of pro cycling.

His comments about maximum wattage are high comparable to rates in the 80's are they not? How does he achieve this in his Mapei training centre?

His comments are based on blood values and high wattage!

I don't buy it.

If you read the article on cyclingnews he admitted that it wasn't cheating in those days but it was a short cut. I doubt a guy who has a brain tumor and a guy who doesn't know how long he has left would fly half way across the world for a dpoing conference if he didn't feel passionate about speaing out about doping. He isn't actually working with Ricco but offered to help him get back on track.