luckyboy said:Why don't Evans etc. don't release their profiles?
auscyclefan94 said:If you read the article on cyclingnews he admitted that it wasn't cheating in those days but it was a short cut. I doubt a guy who has a brain tumor and a guy who doesn't know how long he has left would fly half way across the world for a dpoing conference if he didn't feel passionate about speaing out about doping. He isn't actually working with Ricco but offered to help him get back on track.
Benotti69 said:what? you think giving athletes a drug that increases the red blood cells in their body is not cheating? well if it's not on the banned list it's not. D'Oh!!!!
Short cut. How many of his athletes are now on short cuts that will be next years cheating?????
I think a guy like Sassi offering a guy like Ricco, who when doped turned on the peloton mocking and jeering at them is always gonna be a doper and if a guy like Sassi thinks Ricco is a good guy but a off track, well after Torri said “It’s called family doping,” Torri said. “It’s unbelievable.” I cannot think that Sassi would want to work with such a rider. Ricco's attitude to his fiancé when she tested positive was not one of forgiveness from a banned doper but he was going to dump her if the b sample tested positive, the mother of his child. Scumbag!
I'm think his methods are PEDs or some sort or other, short cuts or not!
auscyclefan94 said:If you read the article on cyclingnews he admitted that it wasn't cheating in those days but it was a short cut. I doubt a guy who has a brain tumor and a guy who doesn't know how long he has left would fly half way across the world for a dpoing conference if he didn't feel passionate about speaing out about doping. He isn't actually working with Ricco but offered to help him get back on track.
So in other words, you're totally cool with Evans doping because "everybody does it." I mean, that's fine, as long as you're consistent, but you're not.auscyclefan94 said:Read the article before shooting your mouth off you imbecile! he was talking about his work with Conconi and Ferrari. At those times, how many riders were taking drugs or doping as a %? It doesn't seem like cheating when you unveil that percentage.
The guy has a fricken brain tumor. I am sure there were plenty of others could of done the same thing who are disease free but he obviously also wanted to come over because of the doping conference.Spare Tyre said:Sassi attended the conference, but stated that he was in Australia for the WCs to promote his business, Mapei, which was the major sponsor of the WCs.
No.hrotha said:So in other words, you're totally cool with Evans doping because "everybody does it." I mean, that's fine, as long as you're consistent, but you're not.
"At those times", heh. How do you come up with this stuff?
auscyclefan94 said:Not sure but he goes through with drug tests through Sassi as well as the race and uci tests.
auscyclefan94 said:Read the article before shooting your mouth off you imbecile! he was talking about his work with Conconi and Ferrari. At those times, how many riders were taking drugs or doping as a %? It doesn't seem like cheating when you unveil that percentage.
btw, is english your second language?
rhubroma said:I believe Sassi is sincere. In this sense the struggling cancer patient is not a fraud in my opinion. Though his sincerity does not gaurantee anything. On the other hand he works with scientific data, knows his boys through and through and thus his sincerity can at least leave us optimistic, which is decidedly better than all the other folks who can leave us only with the most entrenched pesimism.
Benotti69 said:I can think of another cancer patient that came over as sincere and fooled the world into 7 TdF wins![]()
rhubroma said:He was talking about the cleanliness of his riders before cancer too. Look the guy has a good reputation in Italy in the current cycling scene. That he worked with Conconi and Ferrari before, however, was news to me and this does make me reconsider what I previously wrote.
Escarabajo said:I really think now that Basso was clean in the last Giro d'italia.
Didn't he use to take daily showers?![]()
JRTinMA said:... I see in the article he claims to use a hemoglobin mass test and I have no idea what that is but I'm sure its available to WADA labs.
Moose McKnuckles said:Bruyneel also said he looked in Basso's eyes and knew he was telling the truth about being clean.
LOL. Pro cycling is funny.
Benotti69 said:Well let's look at Sassi, worked with Conconi and Ferrari, did he offer evidence in the Ferarri trial to rid the sport of the 'doping devil'?
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Benotti69 said:...When did Sassi come out against doping? He is not a young man so is he jumping on a band wagon?
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Benotti69 said:Look at his riders, Basso an ex doper and inviting Ricco another ex doper. Ricco has probably been doping since his junior days. Instead of turning his back on a snake like Ricco, i see him saying that i can make you achieve the same with Mapei 'medicine' and make you 'Sassi clean', which he hopes to brand in the world of pro cycling.
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Benotti69 said:His comments about maximum wattage are high comparable to rates in the 80's are they not? How does he achieve this in his Mapei training centre?
His comments are based on blood values and high wattage!
I don't buy it.
luckyboy said:Why don't Evans etc. don't release their profiles?
Benotti69 said:There is not a good reputation in existance in Italy at the moment, Torri called it "family doping", I would be curious to know what Sassi can do with athletes that all other trainers can't, re Brailsford at team Sky. Basso and Evans top the Giro, Wiggins nowhere (i know it was training but i expected a top 15 from a GT rider)
Brailsford to his credit has not produced race winners in the pro peloton, which one could interpret as a sign of clean racing by his riders. Sassi has produced winners in a peloton that has proven to be doping left right and centre.
Hard to figure![]()
rhubroma said:Now you are taking something out of context. Torri's comments were directed to cycling in general, not at all to Sassi in person. It seems that Sassi has built a good reputation for himself at the Mapei training center in regards to working with athletes without drug use.
If he'e a fraud then he has to be the most cynical guy in the business. I'm as skeptical as the most jaded of tifosi, however, I have reserved a bit of confidence for Aldo. Perhaps I'm only deluding myself, but until there is hard evidence to the contrary I can't see Sassi doping his boys. They may still do it behind his back, but I can't see them finding collaboration with Sassi.
Benotti69 said:Well, after all his forthright views about who is clean on his team, i would question his ability as a trainer if he cannot see they are doping!!!!!!! if they are.
Italy is one of the biggest doping nations in cycling, you only have to read what Torri says about it all. So for Sassi to be able, in a nation where doping is so prevelant, to produce a clean winner of the Giro has to be doubtful to say the least and this with an ex doper, whose sister has been busted for selling PEDs.
I have no evidence that Sassi's athletes dope, but in the current climate of cycling anyone who wins a GT has to questioned. I want to see Sassi ask for Basso's sample to be sent to Cologne to be tested. I want to see Sassi showing evidence and not the blood passport but other evidence that prove his riders are clean from his Mapei centre.
I am sorry that in cycling nowadays the old adage where you're innocent until proven guilty has long gone, in my opinion.
If Sassi is what he says he is, i'll cheer loudest!
Benotti69 said:Ingleeesh???? from an Antipodean
So his work with 2 of the biggest drug Doctors from Italy means nothing!
Cheating is cheating. Anybody with half a brain would know that taking a substance to boost blood is cheating whatever %.
Keep up the name calling it makes you argument very solid!![]()
auscyclefan94 said:So you believe Torri?
auscyclefan94 said:I will name call all I like because your arguements are as understandable as mexican logic.
Benotti69 said:Well, after all his forthright views about who is clean on his team, i would question his ability as a trainer if he cannot see they are doping!!!!!!! if they are.
Italy is one of the biggest doping nations in cycling, you only have to read what Torri says about it all. So for Sassi to be able, in a nation where doping is so prevelant, to produce a clean winner of the Giro has to be doubtful to say the least and this with an ex doper, whose sister has been busted for selling PEDs.
I have no evidence that Sassi's athletes dope, but in the current climate of cycling anyone who wins a GT has to questioned. I want to see Sassi ask for Basso's sample to be sent to Cologne to be tested. I want to see Sassi showing evidence and not the blood passport but other evidence that prove his riders are clean from his Mapei centre.
I am sorry that in cycling nowadays the old adage where you're innocent until proven guilty has long gone, in my opinion.
If Sassi is what he says he is, i'll cheer loudest!
Benotti69 said:Yeah, he is fighting doping.
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auscyclefan94 said:So you believe Torri?
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