Saturday, june 16th - Tour de Suisse, stage 8: Bischofszell - Arosa 148km

[US Patent Exploding Cyclist]

Am I imagining it, or has Frank been improving since 2010 while Andy has been getting worse?

Don't know if Andy has raced enough for us to tell if he has been getting worse. He did win a Tour this year.

 

[theyoungest]

i still think costa is faster then gesink on a sprint if that's what you are asking. but god forbid some1 thinking another rider is better then gesink at anything.

I see what you're getting at (don't pick a fight, mr. Moderator ) but actually Gesink has a pretty decent sprint on him, if everyone else is at their limit.

 

[LaFlorecita]

I so hope Rui is much better tomorrow...

 

[LaFlorecita]

Don't know if Andy has raced enough for us to tell if he has been getting worse. He did win a Tour this year.

Doesn't tell us much now does it?

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

I see what you're getting at (don't pick a fight, mr. Moderator ) but actually Gesink has a pretty decent sprint on him, if everyone else is at their limit.

Indeed. In normal circumstances I'd bet on costa in a sprint tho .

 

[Parrulo]

I see what you're getting at (don't pick a fight, mr. Moderator ) but actually Gesink has a pretty decent sprint on him, if everyone else is at their limit.

he(gesink) wasn't exactly beating world class sprinters today tho.

what i said earlier today was if Costa wasn't dropped (at the time after his verbier performance it looked like he could hang on today) i thought he could out sprint gesink. ofc struggling like he was today Costa wouldn't even outsprint me but that doesn't change anything or does it?

also being a mod doesn't stop me from having an opinion.

 

[norwegian]

also being a mod doesn't stop me from having an opinion.

Are not mods programmed to not have opinions........?

 

[Panda Claws]

Well Rui wouldn't outsprint Gesink after being dropped a couple of times and being completely cooked. Parrulo's theory wasn't made under those assumptions I suppose.

Watch track if you want sprints where stamina,etc. does not play a role.

 

[theyoungest]

he(gesink) wasn't exactly beating world class sprinters today tho.

what i said earlier today was if Costa wasn't dropped (at the time after his verbier performance it looked like he could hang on today) i thought he could out sprint gesink. ofc struggling like he was today Costa wouldn't even outsprint me but that doesn't change anything or does it?

But at the end of such a climb, everyone is always at their limit. And that's when Gesink can do a good sprint, that's what he's good at: suffering more than others. (not that he was very good at that today)

also being a mod doesn't stop me from having an opinion.

If I didn't know better I'd think you were baiting Dekker_T

 

[cineteq]

Indeed. In normal circumstances I'd bet on costa in a sprint tho .

What's normal circumstances? This is like apples and oranges. Do you see Gesink getting in a breakaway with Costa? Or Costa finishing in the same group as Gesink on a MTF?

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Nevertheless, Gesink showed improvement over Verbier, but compared to ToC he is climbing worse. Because there he was clearly better than Danielson and Leipheimer. Now it's the other way around.
Hope he gets his peak right for the Tour...

 

[cineteq]

Nevertheless, Gesink showed improvement over Verbier, but compared to ToC he is climbing worse. Because there he was clearly better than Danielson and Leipheimer. Now it's the other way around.
Hope he gets his peak right for the Tour...

There are 2 weeks left for training. He showed he improved as this race went on, same as in ToC. I'd say he's looking good to peak on the 3rd week of the Tour, which is when it counts...Can Wiggins say the same thing?

 

[DominicDecoco]

all respect to Frank today, did almost exclusively the job behind Albasini and then Nieve and Leip grabbed the bonus seconds , not classy that

This is racing. Harden up.

 

[Maaaaaaaarten]

Hmmmm just a side note but, Poels is really dissappointing me this year in general and once again this Tour de Suisse.

Come, is this the guy that got 2nd on Angliru? That was sprinting up steep walls against Rodriguez? He got 25th at 3'57 on a bunch of hills.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Hmmmm just a side note but, Poels is really dissappointing me this year in general and once again this Tour de Suisse.

Come, is this the guy that got 2nd on Angliru? That was sprinting up steep walls against Rodriguez? He got 25th at 3'57 on a bunch of hills.

Hmm, I think he is a bit easy on himself. His brother Norbert had a better mentality but far less talent

 

[classicomano]

Lets not forget his dad died last January, that must weigh heavy on him.

 

[dlwssonic]

Frank and Gesink will be flying up the mountains in le tour.
Andy what???

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Lets not forget his dad died last January, that must weigh heavy on him.

You mean october 2010. Just after his Emilia win

 

[Leonardus]

exciting stage today, hope we get even more action tomorrow. With Franky and Gesink here in TdS I still have hope UK Postal won't be able to dominate the tour.

 

[Maaaaaaaarten]

You mean october 2010. Just after his Emilia win

He's talking about Poels' father

http://woutpoels.nl/in-memoriam-henk-poels

 

[Red Rick]

Fränk is very aggressive this year, he's almost attacking as much as Andy is abandoning races

 

[roundabout]

Next year's route

1re étape : Quinto – Quinto (prologue). 2e étape : Quinto – Crans-Montana. 3e étape : Montreux – Meiringen. 4e étape : Meiringen – Buochs. 5e étape : Buochs – Leuggern. 6e étape : Leuggern – Meilen. 7e étape : Meilen – La Punt. 8e étape : Zernez – Bad Ragaz. 9e étape : Bad Ragaz – Flumserberg (contre-la-montre).

 

[Christian]

Btw, Fuglsang did ok today. Setting the pace for Fränk in the beginning of the final climb, and then not losing so much. Klöden on the other hand...

Yes indeed Fuglsang did well! So did my friend Liney, I was really surprised to see him up there so late in the race, that must have been his best performance since over one year ago. Maybe RSNT must take him to the Tour after all! I hope Fuglsang can still improve until the Tour, then we could see some really nice performances.

Fränk I fear will be too tired in the third week because he did too much racing (Giro-Luxembourg-Suisse) without much recuperation, while the other main contenders only did 1 race before the Tour. Except for Gesink but he had a decent interval between California and Suisse

 

[jens_attacks]

Next year's route

1re étape : Quinto – Quinto (prologue). 2e étape : Quinto – Crans-Montana. 3e étape : Montreux – Meiringen. 4e étape : Meiringen – Buochs. 5e étape : Buochs – Leuggern. 6e étape : Leuggern – Meilen. 7e étape : Meilen – La Punt. 8e étape : Zernez – Bad Ragaz. 9e étape : Bad Ragaz – Flumserberg (contre-la-montre).

so albulapass on the route..
and maybe aminona too.that would be awesome

 

[Dedelou]

Frank and Gesink will be flying up the mountains in le tour.
Andy what???

they will need to be flying to catch up the others in front and make up for the minutes lost in the TT