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Tonton said:
Dumoulin yes, Valverde I see your reasoning but disagree big time. The guy can race and win a classic with no team (same for Nibali), top-tier tactician (not at Nibali level but still), Valverde can hide...and surge. Over 21 or so days, he won't lose much time any day, and gain some time on some days. Consistency is Valverde. That format would require consistency, at least some consistency, or a "Vino attitude".
Valverde's entire tactical range in one day races is 'wait for sprint' when it matters, and he his level just drops off when he has to dig really deep before the last climb.
 
Red Rick said:
Tonton said:
Dumoulin yes, Valverde I see your reasoning but disagree big time. The guy can race and win a classic with no team (same for Nibali), top-tier tactician (not at Nibali level but still), Valverde can hide...and surge. Over 21 or so days, he won't lose much time any day, and gain some time on some days. Consistency is Valverde. That format would require consistency, at least some consistency, or a "Vino attitude".
Valverde's entire tactical range in one day races is 'wait for sprint' when it matters, and he his level just drops off when he has to dig really deep before the last climb.


Valverde prefers to rely on his sprint. When you have someone who can climb with as good of a sprint as he has, makes sense to wait for the sprint.
 
I'd pay to see a one time all-Gerrans event.

200 riders, all of them are Simon Gerrans.
What happens when every rider has a pathological fear of doing work? Why, 35 hours to complete an 80km criterium, of course.
 
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GuyIncognito said:
I'd pay to see a one time all-Gerrans event.

200 riders, all of them are Simon Gerrans.
What happens when every rider has a pathological fear of doing work? Why, 35 hours to complete an 80km criterium, of course.

As they don't leave the start line.

It would be interesting to see a 10km race between Gerrans, Leipheimer, Monfort, Van den Broeck, Zubeldi, and Majka.
 
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SHAD0W93 said:
GuyIncognito said:
I'd pay to see a one time all-Gerrans event.

200 riders, all of them are Simon Gerrans.
What happens when every rider has a pathological fear of doing work? Why, 35 hours to complete an 80km criterium, of course.

As they don't leave the start line.

It would be interesting to see a 10km race between Gerrans, Leipheimer, Monfort, Van den Broeck, Zubeldi, and Majka.


That would be an interesting race.
 
A big engine that goes uphill rather well. From the current peloton i'd be looking at someone like Dumoulin first of all. He'd have to use better tactics than in the Giro though. But actually, a guy like Degendt could surprise as well, strong riders that take initiative. On the other hand... i think the most important trademark would be good tactical skills. Who knows, maybe a classics guy that can get over a hill could do well in that regard too.
 
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markene2 said:
tobydawq said:
Van den Broeck was more attacking than he is being given credit for, too.

I always liked him, never got what all the hate was about.

Bardet or Pinot would win, someone that isnt scared to attack and isnt the favorite.

...only two pro wins for JVDB (Monfort 5, Zubeldia 4)...the Nationals ITT in '15 and a stage of the Dauphine in '11.

Crazy for a rider that did 3 and 4 at Le Tour, 7 at Il Giro, 8 at La Vuelta, had 130 career top-10. He definitely belongs to that list :eek: . Nice GC career tho'...top-10 all three including a podium, that's respectable to say the least.
 
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GuyIncognito said:
Red Rick said:
I don't know how Majka deserves to be mentioned in that list.

I agree completely. All the others attacked in the last 200m of a stage a couple times.
Zubeldia even attacked midway through Alpe d'Huez once!

I know it is easy to forget, but Zubeldia attacked Lance (and Ullrich) on Ax-3 Domaines and had some good results in San Sebastian. And he almost won a stage in 2015 Vuelta but failed as he has no sprint. Also, was he ever the leader in a GT from start? He outperformed his teammates in 2003, 2006, 2007, 2012 and 2014 TDFs, but as far as I know, he never was the designated leader and often waited or worked for the leaders until it was clear that he was the strongest of the teams.
 
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Koronin said:
SHAD0W93 said:
GuyIncognito said:
I'd pay to see a one time all-Gerrans event.

200 riders, all of them are Simon Gerrans.
What happens when every rider has a pathological fear of doing work? Why, 35 hours to complete an 80km criterium, of course.

As they don't leave the start line.

It would be interesting to see a 10km race between Gerrans, Leipheimer, Monfort, Van den Broeck, Zubeldi, and Majka.

That would be an interesting race.

If Leipheimer is in it, it will be anything but interesting.
 
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Finn84 said:
For a criterium-type race I would love to see that. Each WT and Pro-Conti team to field one rider, with a good sum of money available for the best.
...then we argue about the course, like we always do :) .

Having only one at the Worlds, the National Champion, would make the Nationals a big thing.