one of the fat guys,Big GMaC said:So who is the EPO provider in the photo?
but the evil doc is in the black t with the sunnies.
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one of the fat guys,Big GMaC said:So who is the EPO provider in the photo?
blackcat said:one of the fat guys,
but the evil doc is in the black t with the sunnies.
blackcat said:that is Ferrari's group. With Ferrari himself. In the black.
craig1985 said:Why on earth if you were a pro would allow yourself to be in that photo?
Big GMaC said:Thanks for sorting that out for me. Now I understnad this:
python said:what exactly do you understand ? that you are looking at the evidence of doping as was alluded to and the dope providers in flash as was said ?
blackcat said:no, that is Patrick Sinkewitz
Far left, Il Falco, Paolo Savoldelli, Discovery Channel
Middle, hand up, Tom Danielson, Discovery Channel
Enrico Gasparotto, Liquigas
anonymous fat guys.
Dont know the Quickstep guy off-hand, without a close up and a google search.
blackcat said:think he did not realise this was a Ferrari camp with top pros for lactate testing.
BikeCentric said:Back on topic: the reason I'm calling Scarponi out is not just because of the performance which is itself suspect.
Consider it from this angle: has anyone ever seen a single example of a cyclist who has been busted for doping and come back from his ban "clean" and actually riding as good or better than he was when he was juicing? Because Scarponi on this ride is as good as he's ever been while on the gear.
The only athlete I can think of that came back from a ban and competed on the same level was Virenque, and that was pre EPO test and there is no doubt in my mind he was still on EPO when he came back.
pmcg76 said:I wouldnt say Vienque was clean after his return but he was slightly lower than his previous level, his TTs went to **** and he never came near a podium finish at the Tour again.
I agree with you on Scarponi however, he is perfroming better than ever. I dont think he ever won anything at the level of T-A before he admitted guilt.
BikeCentric said:Back on topic: the reason I'm calling Scarponi out is not just because of the performance which is itself suspect.
Consider it from this angle: has anyone ever seen a single example of a cyclist who has been busted for doping and come back from his ban "clean" and actually riding as good or better than he was when he was juicing? Because Scarponi on this ride is as good as he's ever been while on the gear.
The only athlete I can think of that came back from a ban and competed on the same level was Virenque, and that was pre EPO test and there is no doubt in my mind he was still on EPO when he came back.
Colm.Murphy said:You reference Virenque but Moreau came back and had better results.
luckyboy said:Cyclevaughters: believe me, as carzy as it sounds - Moreau was on nothing. Hct of 39%
FDREU: when in 2000-2001
Cyclevaughters: so, that's when you start thinking... hell, kevin was telling me that after 2000 Ullrich never raced over 42%--- yeah moreau in 2000-2001
I choose to blindly believe this about Moreau. I like him
no, Moreau was hot in 2007. Who was the strongest in the first 10 days in the Tour? CMluckyboy said:Cyclevaughters: believe me, as carzy as it sounds - Moreau was on nothing. Hct of 39%
FDREU: when in 2000-2001
Cyclevaughters: so, that's when you start thinking... hell, kevin was telling me that after 2000 Ullrich never raced over 42%--- yeah moreau in 2000-2001
I choose to blindly believe this about Moreau. I like him
blackcat said:no, Moreau was hot in 2007. Who was the strongest in the first 10 days in the Tour? CM
craig1985 said:And then he went backwards after that.
bruyneel said:I compared the performances of one of his riders at Ag2r, Christophe Moreau in the Dauphiné]Moreau[/B] on the Col du Télégraphe in the Dauphiné, the stage where he took the maillot jaune. For an example, a VAM of 1750 metres per hour is very fast
bruyneel said:How should we interpret the performance of Moreau, leader of Mr. Lavenu's team, knowing he is not a climbing specialist and is 36 years old?
Big GMaC said:Quite. Just because he was strong early doesn't mean he was hot BC, he went backwards in the way you would expect a clean rider to go against a fully charging field of the Chicken, Contra, (Evans), Leipheimer etc.
blackcat said:he came off winning the Dauphine. Long time to be at peak form. He was hot. There was a rumour of him going positive.
craig1985 said:And then he went backwards after that.
Big GMaC said:Was he one of the riders who was warned for having 'blood levels that were a risk to his health' or something like that before the Tour?
Colm.Murphy said:Yet in 1998 he confessed to the French Federation as to his participation in the team "program".
Believe what you like but I will take Moreau's word for it if he is going to confess to the activity. You can still like him, just know the reasons. I always enjoyed watching the big guy race.
Edit to add link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christophe_Moreau
Frosty said:I think there were rumours after Moreau quit on the 7th stage in 2008 but nothing was said and unless someone had an obvious visible injury then any big or biggish name dropping out would at least raise eyebrows.