Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[Pantani Attacks]

Win the Tour this year, bulk up another 5-10kg, win PR and then chill until the Vuelta. Then he'll retire.

 

[Low is rhe new high]

I don't think it's just that, I think it's also that he's really pushing the limits as to what he's actually capable of. MSR and Roubaix are really difficult races for him to win, and the more you push things to the limit, the more likely you are to make mistakes.

Maybe it will be easier to win if he only focus on PR next year

 

[AmRacer]

Maybe it will be easier to win if he only focus on PR next year

He wants RVV and a warm up race. Itzulia have to wait. No MSR though.

 

[HashRouge]

Maybe it will be easier to win if he only focus on PR next year

I guess he doesn't need to spend all winter riding up and down the Cipressa and Poggio!

 

[Coppi-Bartali]

That's not what he said in the post race interview? They asked him if he'd be back next year and he said "I can't say no". I'd be surprised if he skips it, he has a decent chance to win if things go his way and it's a bit like MSR - the more he rides it, the more likely it is that things eventually go his way.

After San Remo, he said he probably wouldn't. He just said something similar.

I don't think he'll be back next year. As much as he hates the Tour, nobody wants to be stuck with four wins alongside Froome . This schedulle is crazy; even this guy doesn't seem capable of doing it for three years.
He has to start preparing after the Tour afterRomandie, Vingegaard has been preparing for the Tour for months, not every year will be like 2025.
While he sometimes pushes his limits physically, mentally it's more complicated. It's clear that San Remo has left him mentally exhausted. Next year he'll reset.

UAE this year looks pretty washed out this year, and the pressure on the team will only increase. Outside of Pogacar, that team has proven to be useless for GT. They haven't been able to win a GT e with other riders, while Visma has won them with domestiques. They'll want him to win another Giro and maybe a Vuelta. Almeida doesn't seem capable, and neither does Del Toro.

 

[canina82]

Win the Tour this year, bulk up another 5-10kg, win PR and then chill until the Vuelta. Then he'll retire.

2 TdF
1 Vuelta
1 WC
1 PR

He needs this to surpass Merckx.

 

[HashRouge]

After San Remo, he said he probably wouldn't. He just said something similar.

I don't think he'll be back next year. As much as he hates the Tour, nobody wants to be stuck with four wins alongside Froome . This schedulle is crazy; even this guy doesn't seem capable of doing it for three years.
He has to start preparing after the Tour afterRomandie, Vingegaard has been preparing for the Tour for months, not every year will be like 2025.
While he sometimes pushes his limits physically, mentally it's more complicated. It's clear that San Remo has left him mentally exhausted. Next year he'll reset.

UAE this year looks pretty washed out this year, and the pressure on the team will only increase. Outside of Pogacar, that team has proven to be useless for GT. They haven't been able to win a GT e with other riders, while Visma has won them with domestiques. They'll want him to win another Giro and maybe a Vuelta. Almeida doesn't seem capable, and neither does Del Toro.

I don't understand where you saw that? In his post-race interview, they asked if he wouldn't be back next year, and he said "I can't say no". So what did you see that was different?

 

[AmRacer]

After San Remo, he said he probably wouldn't. He just said something similar.

I don't think he'll be back next year. As much as he hates the Tour, nobody wants to be stuck with four wins alongside Froome . This schedulle is crazy; even this guy doesn't seem capable of doing it for three years.
He has to start preparing after the Tour afterRomandie, Vingegaard has been preparing for the Tour for months, not every year will be like 2025.
While he sometimes pushes his limits physically, mentally it's more complicated. It's clear that San Remo has left him mentally exhausted. Next year he'll reset.

UAE this year looks pretty washed out this year, and the pressure on the team will only increase. Outside of Pogacar, that team has proven to be useless for GT. They haven't been able to win a GT e with other riders, while Visma has won them with domestiques. They'll want him to win another Giro and maybe a Vuelta. Almeida doesn't seem capable, and neither does Del Toro.

Visma has only Jonas now, and he will do the Giro, so Pogi will have an advantage.

 

[canina82]

After San Remo, he said he probably wouldn't. He just said something similar.

I don't think he'll be back next year. As much as he hates the Tour, nobody wants to be stuck with four wins alongside Froome . This schedulle is crazy; even this guy doesn't seem capable of doing it for three years.
He has to start preparing after the Tour afterRomandie, Vingegaard has been preparing for the Tour for months, not every year will be like 2025.
While he sometimes pushes his limits physically, mentally it's more complicated. It's clear that San Remo has left him mentally exhausted. Next year he'll reset.

UAE this year looks pretty washed out this year, and the pressure on the team will only increase. Outside of Pogacar, that team has proven to be useless for GT. They haven't been able to win a GT e with other riders, while Visma has won them with domestiques. They'll want him to win another Giro and maybe a Vuelta. Almeida doesn't seem capable, and neither does Del Toro.

Me as a cycling fan just want to sse him in PR. It seems his ultimate goal and the race is clearly better with him there.

 

[Coppi-Bartali]

Me as a cycling fan just want to sse him in PR. It seems his ultimate goal and the race is clearly better with him there.

Well, that's not what he's hinted at today or the other day after San Remo.

He shouldn't care less about the fans; everyone in the thread wanted him to lose . He'll do what's best for him, and it seems that's no longer going to involve sacrificing race days and risking the Tour.

 

[Monsi]

It is possible he goes for something similar to a 2024 programme some time in a bid to win two GTs in a season but he'll definitely be back at Roubaix some time. Possibly even MSR.

 

[Coppi-Bartali]

I don't understand where you saw that? In his post-race interview, they asked if he wouldn't be back next year, and he said "I can't say no". So what did you see that was different?

I'd have to look it up, but he definitely said it.

 

[HashRouge]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcK5OvjCIbI


This is his post race interview. I can't see any hints that he won't be back next year?

 

[canina82]

Well, that's not what he's hinted at today or the other day after San Remo.

He shouldn't care less about the fans; everyone in the thread wanted him to lose . He'll do what's best for him, and it seems that's no longer going to involve sacrificing race days and risking the Tour.

Most are just haters. Even one said Wout wasn't a better sprinter than Pogacar.

 

[Coppi-Bartali]

Most are just haters. Even one said Wout wasn't a better sprinter than Pogacar.

It's all been quite ridiculous; it was obvious that Van Aert was the favorite for the sprint.

 

[canina82]

It's all been quite ridiculous; it was obvious that Van Aert was the favorite for the sprint.

Even if he is not like his former self (2020-2022), he still is faster than any GC rider.

 

[Coppi-Bartali]

Even if he is not like his former self (2020-2022), he still is faster than any GC rider.

It's been like that absurd idea that Seixas wasn't the strongest in each stage when he won by such large margins.
There are obvious facts, and one of them is that Van Aert was stronger today and was going to win the sprint.
What happened today was clearly a denial fueled by the desire for him to win, although perhaps the desire to prevent someone else from winning outweighed Wout's

 

[Pantani Attacks]

2 TdF
1 Vuelta
1 WC
1 PR

He needs this to surpass Merckx.

Merckx rode against part timers, Pogacar is literally riding against all timers. Merckx isn't even in his thought process.

 

[canina82]

Merckx rode against part timers, Pogacar is literally riding against all timers. Merckx isn't even in his thought process.

I'm talking about palmares, of course Pogacar is better.

 

[jmdirt]

GREAT race today TP!

 

[Coppi-Bartali]

Florian crashed and limped off in Arenberg. He could have been of service later otherwise, like Laporte for Van Aert.

Thats why he also didnt drop back earlier and waited in the front. There was still such a long distance to go.

I think Molano, Morgado, Politt, Bjerg and Florian did some good work. They will analyze if it was the right approach in the prep for another attempt down the line.

For me, Florian's race was a disaster, and not because of the crash.

Overall, UAE proved once again that they are an inept team. When he had a puncture, none of them stopped to help their leader, even though everyone saw it. They stopped Politt too late, and Politt signaling to Vermeersh, but Vermeersh shook his head no. Let everyone interpret what might have happened.

Then, Pogacar closed to within 15 seconds of the group. At that point, they should have stopped Florian, but Pogacar was still pulling several kilometers behind, and even the group increased their lead slightly. That's where the moment he coocked and he lost the race. The team car was horrible today, and I don't know if Vermeersh dind´t stopped on team orders or if he didn't want to, but when Pogcacar was 15 seconds behind, he should have stopped. Pogacar took a while to rejoin the group, and what would have been a small effort for Florian ended up costing the Slovenian the rest of the race because they maintained that 15-second gap for several kilometers

Philipsen has finished second twice in Roubaix, and I don't doubt for a second that his priority was VDP.
They are the consequences of poor team management in career and in ego management.

 

[AmRacer]

For me, Florian's race was a disaster, and not because of the crash.

Overall, UAE proved once again that they are an inept team. When he had a puncture, none of them stopped to help their leader, even though everyone saw it. They stopped Politt too late, and Politt signaling to Vermeersh, but Vermeersh shook his head no. Let everyone interpret what might have happened.

Then, Pogacar closed to within 15 seconds of the group. At that point, they should have stopped Florian, but Pogacar was still pulling several kilometers behind, and even increased his lead slightly. That's where the moment he coocked and he lost the race. The team car was horrible today, and I don't know if Vermeersh stopped on team orders or if he didn't want to, but when Pogcacar was 15 seconds behind, he should have stopped. Pogacar took a while to rejoin the group, and what would have been a small effort for Florian ended up costing the Slovenian the rest of the race.

Philipsen has finished second twice in Roubaix, and I don't doubt for a second that his priority was VDP.
They are the consequences of poor team management in career and in ego management.

They didn't have a plan for a disaster like that.

 

[Valv.Piti]

The eye test says he was stronger in Roubaix last year, certainly relative to the rest of the field.

I dont think so. He spent an incredible amount of energy pre Arenberg this year due to UAE DS' *** up and Vermeersch refusing to do a pull.

Very good race from him, but he deserves dedicated team riders and competent people in the cars. And don't bring Vermeersch to these races ever again.

 

[Salvarani]

They didn't have a plan for a disaster like that.

Everything happening in real time and the situation is chaotic. They dont have the same luxury of sitting on their coach watching everything unfold.

In PR, rarely does things goes to plan.

This was also Pog second time riding here as a pro. Most of his biggest competitors has a lot more experience here.

He overcome the struggles but was too tired in the end. Finished second again, sprinting for it this time.

People are way too critical on the team. I thought Molano, Morgado, Bjerg, Politt and Florian all did some good work. Rui was unfortunate to puncture at a bad time.

What one can think of is when or where they should have been more or less active. Now it was just full gas from 0 km. The break never went from the peloton and then everyone started to position themselves for the first sector. Race was on from there.

They will reasses the race and try again. All one can do.

 

[AmRacer]

Everything happening in real time and the situation is chaotic. They dont have the same luxury of sitting on their coach watching everything unfold.

In PR, rarely does things goes to plan.

This was also Pog second time riding here as a pro. Most of his biggest competitors has a lot more experience here.

He overcome the struggles but was too tired in the end. Finished second again, sprinting for it this time.

People are way too critical on the team. I thought Molano, Morgado, Bjerg, Politt and Florian all did some good work. Rui was unfortunate to puncture at a bad time.

They will reasses the race and try again. All one can do.

Mathieu had a worse disaster when he couldn't clip his shoes at Philipsen bike?