Sergio Henao

[Escarabajo]

It looks like they need him badly for the Tour de France. IMHO.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

It remains baffling in itself that Sky have no clue what living and training at altitude does with all kinds of blood and hormone parameters, yet they send their A-team to Mallorca's Mount Teide to live and train there for sis weeks at a time. It's all about marginal gains. :roll eyes:

It's the same with saying that they haven't tested Froome's VO2-max or never had him in the wind tunnel before last year. You couldn't make this stuff up if you wanted to.

why would they test froome's vo2 max? it's time consuming and very expensive and it doesn't give you anything really. just nice to know.

 

[GJB123]

why would they test froome's vo2 max? it's time consuming and very expensive and it doesn't give you anything really. just nice to know.

Well for example it would be nice that before you hire a new rider you get some idea of their potential. Vaughters does it beforehand to know what he is buying. Seems sensible to me and it is not at all complicated, time consuming or expensive. Do you actually know what you're talking about or do you just throw random letters together in your reply?

 

[jens_attacks]

well ryo is right of course. cyclists are not paid from our money so we don't have the right to ask for those, vaughters yes but not random people. thet don't own us anything. only deliver panache and spettacolo

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Well for example it would be nice that before you hire a new rider you get some idea of their potential. Vaughters does it beforehand to know what he is buying. Seems sensible to me and it is not at all complicated, time consuming or expensive. Do you actually know what you're talking about or do you just throw random letters together in your reply?

I doubt vaughters does vo2 testing on all new riders or in fact any new riders. he does power test them like he did with acevedo who killed danielsons record 7 watt per kg. but I'm sure they didn't do a vo2max on him either.

 

[Escarabajo]

I doubt vaughters does vo2 testing on all new riders or in fact any new riders. he does power test them like he did with acevedo who killed danielsons record 7 watt per kg. but I'm sure they didn't do a vo2max on him either.

I think he does. Even if he doesn't there must be a relationship with the power test and VO2 max.

In the JV thread he was expalining what kind of testing he does to their cyclists and it is a little more comprehensive than the power test. Don't remember the specifics.

 

[GJB123]

I doubt vaughters does vo2 testing on all new riders or in fact any new riders. he does power test them like he did with acevedo who killed danielsons record 7 watt per kg. but I'm sure they didn't do a vo2max on him either.

Please do explain why a VO2 max test is "time consuming and very expensive"? Do you have actually have the faintest idea how such a test is done?

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Please do explain why a VO2 max test is "time consuming and very expensive"? Do you have actually have the faintest idea how such a test is done?

I am guessing no - they take less than an hour.

I think he does. Even if he doesn't there must be a relationship with the power test and VO2 max.

In the JV thread he was expalining what kind of testing he does to their cyclists and it is a little more comprehensive than the power test. Don't remember the specifics.

He does a ramp test, probably to exhaustion. Doesn't necessarily give you VO2max per se, but does provide a useful indication of sustainable power, around the CP / FTP mark.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Please do explain why a VO2 max test is "time consuming and very expensive"? Do you have actually have the faintest idea how such a test is done?

the equipment to do is is very expensive

 

[nomapnocompass]

I posted this before in the past, but bringing it up again.

If you view the Road to Glory documentary series which Sky ran about Team Sky in 2012 to celebrate Wiggins winning the Tour in and getting Olympic gold, it clearly shows British Cycling/Sky's ( they were virtually the same when Brailsford was in charge of both ) extensive lab facilities. There is even footage of a BC female rider doing a VO2 max test ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Le7z-rj4jdw - 2m40s ). Yet they do not test their GT winning riders and have no idea of their VO2max?, that is nonsense!!

So although this does not show Team Sky testing their riders, British Cycling definitely use VO2 max testing and have the facilities to do it any time they like.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

the equipment to do is is very expensive

Not for Team Sky who have a complete fitout at Manchester velodrome, it's not.

(Good post, nomapnocompass)

 

[Ventoux Boar]

It remains baffling in itself that Sky have no clue what living and training at altitude does with all kinds of blood and hormone parameters, yet they send their A-team to Mallorca's Mount Teide to live and train there for sis weeks at a time. It's all about marginal gains. :roll eyes:

It's the same with saying that they haven't tested Froome's VO2-max or never had him in the wind tunnel before last year. You couldn't make this stuff up if you wanted to.

It's been clear since the Henao issue broke, that Sky don't blood test their riders, with interesting implications (testing being no deterrent in their view being one). They didn't even review BP test results until after the JTL affair broke. It was this new review panel that discovered Henao's anomalies.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

It's been clear since the Henao issue broke, that Sky don't blood test their riders, with interesting implications (testing being no deterrent in their view being one). They didn't even review BP test results until after the JTL affair broke. It was this new review panel that discovered Henao's anomalies.

the henao issue makes clear sky DOES test their riders on bloodvalues. they issued it themselves after he came back to europe in february, not the uci or anyone else

 

[Ventoux Boar]

the henao issue makes clear sky DOES test their riders on bloodvalues. they issued it themselves after he came back to europe in february, not the uci or anyone else

That's the conventional wisdom. And it's wrong. The anomalous test results were OOC conducted for the first time in Colombia by some testing authority. Not the team. Sky made quite a big deal about their new review panel picking this up.

 

[Benotti69]

Amazing how people still believe what Sky put out there, when they have been show to be compulsive liars.

 

[Ventoux Boar]

Amazing how people still believe what Sky put out there, when they have been show to be compulsive liars.

If you're suggesting that Sky are lying about not performing internal compliance testing, post a solid* link describing such a test/procedure and I'll wear your signature of choice for a month.

*Solid: not affadavits, just a quote or something that doesn't require Orwellian distortion to make your point.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

If you're suggesting that Sky are lying about not performing internal compliance testing, post a solid* link describing such a test/procedure and I'll wear your signature of choice for a month.

*Solid: not affadavits, just a quote or something that doesn't require Orwellian distortion to make your point.

*no reply of benotti*

typical

 

[dolophonic]

I posted this before in the past, but bringing it up again.

If you view the Road to Glory documentary series which Sky ran about Team Sky in 2012 to celebrate Wiggins winning the Tour in and getting Olympic gold, it clearly shows British Cycling/Sky's ( they were virtually the same when Brailsford was in charge of both ) extensive lab facilities. There is even footage of a BC female rider doing a VO2 max test ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Le7z-rj4jdw - 2m40s ). Yet they do not test their GT winning riders and have no idea of their VO2max?, that is nonsense!!

So although this does not show Team Sky testing their riders, British Cycling definitely use VO2 max testing and have the facilities to do it any time they like.

Pretty good point . I think it just exposes the doubletalk being used.

 

[Ventoux Boar]

*no reply of benotti*

typical

Interesting. Does the probability of posting fabricated BS (the HogScore) increase as the poster becomes more devout?

 

[Benotti69]

If you're suggesting that Sky are lying about not performing internal compliance testing, post a solid* link describing such a test/procedure and I'll wear your signature of choice for a month.

Why dont Sky publish and be transparent?

Sky are the team that leave no stone unturned and dont do blood testing? Even Garmin did internal blood testing, but then Sky claimed never to have put Froome in a wind tunnel or test his Vo2.......

Keep swallowing the lies.

 

[Benotti69]

*no reply of benotti*

typical

Trolling and baiting yet again Ryo?

 

[Benotti69]

Interesting. Does the probability of posting fabricated BS (the HogScore) increase as the poster becomes more devout?

Why has this post got to do with the thread topic????

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Why dont Sky publish and be transparent?

Sky are the team that leave no stone unturned and dont do blood testing? Even Garmin did internal blood testing, but then Sky claimed never to have put Froome in a wind tunnel or test his Vo2.......

Keep swallowing the lies.

don't try to spin the argument here. you are the one called out for evidence. you are the one claiming sky are lying.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Trolling and baiting yet again Ryo?

yeah throw some terms like trolling and baiting, really helping your argument here

 

[zigmeister]

The virus has yet struck again, this time with the Columbians...unheard of.