usedtobefast said:
TFF is an artisan. I just don't know what he has against Lance and Johann. He sometimes gets fairly negative about them and it really isn't justified. But I think TFF is probably a nice person even though he is misguided.
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TFF is an artisan. I just don't know what he has against Lance and Johann. He sometimes gets fairly negative about them and it really isn't justified. But I think TFF is probably a nice person even though he is misguided.
Thoughtforfood said:I thank you sincerely, now lick my balls.
Never saw this thread before. You post this right after being banned? Very funny. Tá tú liathróidí Práis mór mo chara.
Alpe d'Huez said:
I just thought he was being smart and keeping out of it this time, silly me.
What did you guys get him for now?
Alpe d'Huez said:
I'm not banned. I haven't done anything. I just have not wanted to post in the last few days. What was my supposed ban for?
Hugh Januss said:
Oh....that is the one where I can still post, but them mods sit in judgment of me and sneer and gnash teeth regarding my words. I like that kind.
Ferminal said:
No, just reading and not wanting to get into some of the discussions that were taking place. I posted once or twice the past week, but nothing of real substance. I was also busy all week.
I figured it might be a good time to get this thread up and running again.
Anyone know what happened this time?
Anyone know what happened this time?
krebs303 said:
looking through his recent posts i cant see anything worth a ban, unless hes fallen foul of the new avoiding the censored words rule. He's had a couple of mods going to see him recently by the looks of it.
Although to be fair, how any rules can be enforced when the rule list is buried away at the bottom of the forum where nobody can see them god only knows.
Someone probably complained that their delicate sensibilities had been offended by a post. The mods then felt it necessary to act without stopping to think that any normal person with skin more than a millimeter thick would not care about the post or laugh it off. Meanwhile Polish and flicker are allowed to troll threads into the ground...
There but for the grace of God....TeamSkyFans said:
Might well be something that happened behind the scenes.
In the simplest terms, TFF breached two of the most well known rules (rules 1 and 6 - look them up) in a rather spectacular and very black and white fashion.
He will be gone for roughly a week. (I havent checked the time stamp of the start of the suspension so can't give you the exact date).
He will be gone for roughly a week. (I havent checked the time stamp of the start of the suspension so can't give you the exact date).
the arbitrariness of the suspensions and lack of suspensions is a greater mystery than the holy trinity.
Martin318is said:
1. No foul language, nor circumventing forum "censors" in order to do so.
6. No insulting other members. This includes counter-insults ("he started it").
BroDeal said:
I am, like many others, getting tired of the Polish and Flicker posts - constant posting, IMHO constant state of denial, but a subdued and not over the top style of baiting and trolling. Possibly violations of some of rules 1 through 16, but evidently not brazen enough to warrant suspensions in the eyes of the mods.
Which seems to answer this post -
bobs *** said:
Mysterious, sometimes that may be the case, but many times when someone is suspended the offending posts that led to the suspension are gone, which does not give one a clue as to why they are on holidays - the thing we must rely on are post mortem explanations by the mods -
Martin318is said:
Seems to me some of those who get to enjoy brief or permanent holidays have a few traits in common - many posts edited by mods, possibly ignoring repeated warning by mods, and a huge dose of anger that may be so powerful that they do not take the time to count to ten before they hit that "Submit Reply" button. Many seem to lose sight of what this place is - an Internet forum, nothing more, nothing less.
But hey mods, let TFF back. I have the feeling he was one of the few people here who did not have me on ignore.
Cal_Joe said:
I have often wondered why forums do not use a policy of moderation transparency. No one is forced to use their real names and few members do so. No one will be embarrassed in real life by their actions on a forum unless they voluntarily chose to use their real names. But moderators often use some sort of privacy argument to defend acting in secret. What is the problem with having everything out in the open?
One of the worst examples was DPF, a cesspool of secrecy and bad moderators pursuing personal agendas with everything made more galling by the holier than thou hypocrisy of the owner and his frequent lectures on integrity. Even worse is RBR, which permanently bans people for even attempting to discuss the actions of the moderators.
BroDeal said:
As far as transparency goes, I think the mods here are great to at least post a brief explanation as to why someone was given a time out. Many forums I post on never give a clue. One forum I used to moderate for expressly forbid explanations as to why a user was banned - I was told that their legal folks had a problem with it, so it may be just a bit of that "never wanting to end up in a lawsuit" mentality.
One other note that is a bit different about this forum is most forums tend to have a rule about moderating/posting - mods are assigned to a subforum, are discouraged from posting in that subforum, but are free to post in other subforums.
But those forums tend to have 20+ or so subforums and a few dozen mods, which is not the case here.
BroDeal said:
While I agree with it in principle, there is a bit of a logical hole in your query.
To take the current TFF case:
* The suspension was enacted due to breach of a specific rule.
* That rule was created to remove offensive material from the forum
* If the moderator did not delete/edit that post, then retaining the post as evidence of the cause of the moderator action would in effect require that we leave in place an offensive comment.
As someone indicated above, there has to my knowledge never been a case where someone has queried the actions of a moderator and not been given a reasonably detailed response. In fact there is sometimes quite vigorous debate about those actions and that debate is almost never curtailed or edited (not aware of a case but leaving the possibility open) other than to clean up or merge threads.
In any event, this is straying off the topic of TFFs suspension. May I suggest that anyone wishing to continue the conversation go to the moderators thread to do so? http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=7152
I still think my suspension was unfair
What i will say, is its fine having rules, but the rules are buried at the bottom of the forum where hardly anybody ever goes, i didnt know they were there until someone drew my attention to them.
If there are going to be rules, shouldnt they be somewhere obvious?
What i will say, is its fine having rules, but the rules are buried at the bottom of the forum where hardly anybody ever goes, i didnt know they were there until someone drew my attention to them.
If there are going to be rules, shouldnt they be somewhere obvious?
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