Shane Sutton - Team Sky coach

[Electress]

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IMO the issue Jess Varnish is one of abuse of authority by Sutton as he did not like what was said by her to the media.
A guy like Sutton while capable to understanding the issues of men like Tennant may not capable of understanding women or para-athletes. This is why he should have being in charge of the mens team only. This should have been the job of Brailsford and Cookson and they failed to see his limitations. The funding quota, the time scheduling of the track, the personnel all should have been separated under different administrators.
Having said that, success is not possible without a military style discipline which means a few bruised egos.

Frankly, I suspect it's a lot simpler than that. I just don't think Sutton - nor Brailsford - has any sincere interest in women's cycling. Likewise para-sports. Probably nothing except the Blue Riband events which cover them in reflect glory. I can sympathise in a way - I don't give a rat's ass about women's sport either (even though I participated at a reasonably high level once. I didn't then, either.) But then, I'm not involved in the management of said sport and I am not paid to do so.

Whatever comes out doesn't seem like it will matter to be honest. The peak of the storm has passed, and unless there is something very concrete and scandalous, 'poor governance and bullying' kinds of criticisms will be batted away with 'we've noted the findings; we take this very seriously; clearly we still have things to learn' blah blah blah.

 

[The Carrot]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/cycling/2017/04/12/british-cycling-performance-director-stephen-park-says-will/

Stephen Park, British Cycling's new performance director, says he will not prevent his riders from using Shane Sutton as a coach if they wish to continue do so, and provided the Australian is willing to help out. Park said he would likely turn to him for advice as well, arguing it would be "silly for me not to have some level of engagement with him" given his "incredible track record" as a coach.

"I think the thing that will probably change that most, I suspect, is as and when he's involved with a competing cycling team, where he probably will feel he's conflicted. And that would probably be the thing that would be the biggest trigger to move that on."

 

[Electress]

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/cycling/2017/04/12/british-cycling-performance-director-stephen-park-says-will/

Stephen Park, British Cycling's new performance director, says he will not prevent his riders from using Shane Sutton as a coach if they wish to continue do so, and provided the Australian is willing to help out. Park said he would likely turn to him for advice as well, arguing it would be "silly for me not to have some level of engagement with him" given his "incredible track record" as a coach.

"I think the thing that will probably change that most, I suspect, is as and when he's involved with a competing cycling team, where he probably will feel he's conflicted. And that would probably be the thing that would be the biggest trigger to move that on."

Win at all costs indeed. Not many consequences to poor behaviours now are there?

Sport has become particularly degraded by this sort of thing.

 

[veganrob]

Here's the new boss, same as the old boss

 

[42x16ss]

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success is not possible without a military style discipline

Says who?

which means a few bruised egos.

Putting a person in their place doesn't have to mean running their self confidence into the ground.

Since when does success at sports require destroying people emotionally and confidentially??? Bot logic seems to dictate that people need to be destroyed before they can be successful, but why? Other similarly high performers in other industries aren't so emotionally unintelligent.

 

[thehog]

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/cycling/2017/04/12/british-cycling-performance-director-stephen-park-says-will/

Stephen Park, British Cycling's new performance director, says he will not prevent his riders from using Shane Sutton as a coach if they wish to continue do so, and provided the Australian is willing to help out. Park said he would likely turn to him for advice as well, arguing it would be "silly for me not to have some level of engagement with him" given his "incredible track record" as a coach.

"I think the thing that will probably change that most, I suspect, is as and when he's involved with a competing cycling team, where he probably will feel he's conflicted. And that would probably be the thing that would be the biggest trigger to move that on."

Win at all costs indeed. Not many consequences to poor behaviours now are there?

Sport has become particularly degraded by this sort of thing.

As far as the world championships are concerned Team GB have lost an awful lot of their marginal gains. I wonder what happened?

 

[42x16ss]

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/cycling/2017/04/12/british-cycling-performance-director-stephen-park-says-will/

Stephen Park, British Cycling's new performance director, says he will not prevent his riders from using Shane Sutton as a coach if they wish to continue do so, and provided the Australian is willing to help out. Park said he would likely turn to him for advice as well, arguing it would be "silly for me not to have some level of engagement with him" given his "incredible track record" as a coach.

"I think the thing that will probably change that most, I suspect, is as and when he's involved with a competing cycling team, where he probably will feel he's conflicted. And that would probably be the thing that would be the biggest trigger to move that on."

Win at all costs indeed. Not many consequences to poor behaviours now are there?

Sport has become particularly degraded by this sort of thing.

As far as the world championships are concerned Team GB have lost an awful lot of their marginal gains. I wonder what happened?

Partly it's the Australians getting ready for the 2018 Commonwealth Games. The Federal Government won't let the AIS be embarassed on home soil. If you look at last years Olympics, the swim team is on the upswing again and the track team are getting back on track. I also noticed that Cam Meyer rejoining the track squad is already paing dividends.

 

[The Carrot]

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/cycling/2017/04/12/british-cycling-performance-director-stephen-park-says-will/

Stephen Park, British Cycling's new performance director, says he will not prevent his riders from using Shane Sutton as a coach if they wish to continue do so, and provided the Australian is willing to help out. Park said he would likely turn to him for advice as well, arguing it would be "silly for me not to have some level of engagement with him" given his "incredible track record" as a coach.

"I think the thing that will probably change that most, I suspect, is as and when he's involved with a competing cycling team, where he probably will feel he's conflicted. And that would probably be the thing that would be the biggest trigger to move that on."

Win at all costs indeed. Not many consequences to poor behaviours now are there?

Sport has become particularly degraded by this sort of thing.

As far as the world championships are concerned Team GB have lost an awful lot of their marginal gains. I wonder what happened?

Clearly missing their cuddly care bear moments with Shane

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/tennant-backs-british-cyclings-medal-or-nothing-culture-as-report-nears/

 

[fmk_RoI]

Brace yourselves peeps - there's a Shane Sutton chamoir coming...

 

[Benotti69]

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Brace yourselves peeps - there's a Shane Sutton chamoir coming...

Who is the author/ghost writer?

 

[thehog]

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Brace yourselves peeps - there's a Shane Sutton chamoir coming...

Who is the author/ghost writer?

If it's fluff it has to be Walsh...

 

[Robert5091]

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Cycling-Autobiography-Shane-Sutton/dp/1473641640
Only Sutton's name according to Amazon - May 18 is the day folks!

 

[mcduff]

Probably won't be too many long words in it then

 

[Robert5091]

Might not come out until after election and release of report into BC bullying etc

 

[fmk_RoI]

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Might not come out until after election and release of report into BC bullying etc

You have a source for that?

 

[yaco]

In related news, Gary Sutton has lost his job as Head Coach of the Australian Track program - Could he end up in the UK ?

 

[Robert5091]

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Might not come out until after election and release of report into BC bullying etc

You have a source for that?

No source, but as Hodder's website have nothing on it (& him!), no reviews and this - https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/apr/29/shane-sutton-british-cycling-10-key-questions
"probably with a book deal somewhere along the way. Given his closeness to some of his former charges and colleagues, his elephantine memory – and the fact there are now a few scores to be settled – that could be an intriguing read once the libel lawyers have had their way with it."

 

[budegan]

Is it correct that the current theory is him being the source for the jiffy bag story?

 

[fmk_RoI]

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Is it correct that the current theory is him being the source for the jiffy bag story?

Yes, that's the belief. Even though it also seems that the Jiffy bag story is the reason he wasn't able to return to BC. Hoist by his own petard, I believe the expression is.

Re the Hodder book. The publisher appears to have commissioned the book before the scandal broke. Not sure who the ghost was but a couple of names have been suggested to me. Unlike other recent cycling books, Hodder didn't announce the book in the trade newsletter. The appearance on distribution lists is probably a screw up: it's just holding data - generic name, generic page count, generic description - and would have been amended at some stage. Someone appears to have forgot to take it down after the book was either cancelled or postponed (like his bestie Dave B, Sutton's book could simply be postponed indefinitely, or he could have returned the advance - we don't know which). If you look through distribution lists long enough you'll find plenty of phantom books that haven't been taken down after they got canned: LeMond, Millar and more.

 

[Robert5091]

I e-mailed Hodder & Stoughton on Sutton's book and got the following back,

Many thanks for your email.

Unfortunately Shane Sutton’s book will not be published this month – there seems to have been an error with the feed to Amazon, thank you for flagging it.

Yours sincerely,

Fiona

Fiona Rose | Editor
Non-Fiction | Hodder & Stoughton | Carmelite House | 50 Victoria Embankment | London | EC4Y 0DZ

E: fiona.rose@hodder.co.uk

 

[yaco]

Any coincidence that Gary Sutton is released, after Simon Jones is appointed High Performance Director of the Australian Track cycling Program ?

 

[budegan]

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Is it correct that the current theory is him being the source for the jiffy bag story?

Yes, that's the belief. Even though it also seems that the Jiffy bag story is the reason he wasn't able to return to BC. Hoist by his own petard, I believe the expression is.

Re the Hodder book. The publisher appears to have commissioned the book before the scandal broke. Not sure who the ghost was but a couple of names have been suggested to me. Unlike other recent cycling books, Hodder didn't announce the book in the trade newsletter. The appearance on distribution lists is probably a screw up: it's just holding data - generic name, generic page count, generic description - and would have been amended at some stage. Someone appears to have forgot to take it down after the book was either cancelled or postponed (like his bestie Dave B, Sutton's book could simply be postponed indefinitely, or he could have returned the advance - we don't know which). If you look through distribution lists long enough you'll find plenty of phantom books that haven't been taken down after they got canned: LeMond, Millar and more.

Thanks mate, I thought that was the implication I read. Just as a point of discussion, what I don't understand about that though is why utterly screw his old BFF Wiggo, Brailsfraud, and Sky? I get why he'd want to stick it to BC, but why take down the others too?

 

[Alex Simmons/RST]

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Any coincidence that Gary Sutton is released, after Simon Jones is appointed High Performance Director of the Australian Track cycling Program ?

Coincidences happen all the time. No doubt Jones is making tough calls about the HPU but I very much doubt there is any link to the topic of this thread. Gary and Shane Sutton are chalk and cheese. Gary's end of coaching contract probably deserves its own thread it's so far removed from this one.

Gary is an uber nice guy with a great track record, very well respected and not a whiff of scandal. A class act. I wish him all the best for whatever he does in future.

 

[fmk_RoI]

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Just as a point of discussion, what I don't understand about that though is why utterly screw his old BFF Wiggo, Brailsfraud, and Sky? I get why he'd want to stick it to BC, but why take down the others too?

That is one of the kinks in the theory and - as with the others - nobody tries to explain it away. Just ignore it.

 

[fmk_RoI]

Sutton joins China's Olympic team
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/shane-sutton-takes-up-role-with-chinese-track-team/