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Should Championship race lengths be the same for categories?

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the real answer is probably that nobody wants to watch women doing 50km TT and since everything is geared nowadays towards tv audience thats the reason...nobody wants to watch 100km men TT either,so both disciplines have to be long enough to have some sort of competition in it but not too long for audience to find something better to do because women are also much slower

and since women cycling brings less ad money than mens,they have shorter TV time allocation,so if women get only 2 hour TT window on tv because at 18:00 there is another popular sporting event coming up,they have to make it quick for audience to at least see the bulk of favourites,otherwise if it was 50km TT in that 2 hour window you would only see like top 15 from 6 countries or some sh*t - and the rest of the field nobody gives a fck

anyway if you are looking for some sjw reasons why women do shorter race,that speaks more about your intelligence than anything - i truly doubt people in charge of cycling are like "haaa lets show these women they are inferior,hail patriarchy"...real reason as usual will be the money because they are genderless

as for me im on the other side of the argument,i would love to see 60+km TTs in both grand tours and WCs,we dont even get another Indurain 92 and 94 superhuman edition anymore
 
It is somewhat condescending for top tier women to race a shorter distance. The reason that U23/juniors etc. have shorter distances is that -- in theory -- they are not as developed as the "adults" and need to work up to longer efforts.

Women's cycling will never be considered as anything but a sideshow so long as the UCI continues to treat them like special flowers. I can't imagine any woman that I know asking for a shorter distance or easier course. Sure, the times will be slower than the men but so what -- you're only racing against your fellow competitors.

Having said all that there are lots of reasons why women's cycling hasn't really caught on, but no need for the UCI to ghettoize the women even more. They train just as hard as the men for much less reward.
 
Notwithstanding that if men's races continue to marginalize endurance to a stupid degree, then before long the women's races and men's races will be the same length anyway, here's a post I did over 5 years ago which illustrates that even if you DID want to make the argument that the physical capabilities of men and women mean that women should have a shorter distance race, the difference is in fact only 10-15%, tending higher as altitude gain during the race increases. I also used cross-sport references to swimming, cross-country skiing and biathlon and found comparative equivalence in this difference between men and women, therefore if you wanted to use the "equivalent length of races in time rather than distance" argument, as they do in, say, biathlon, the differences need not be as big as they are (indeed in biathlon the differences in distance are 25% in sprint and individual, 20% in relay and pursuit and 16.7% in mass start, much less than the differences in cycling which tend toward 40% or, in the case of some classics, even more).

The other argument is that the women should at least get equivalence of course. By and large in recent years, when presented with a course that the men produced a good race on, the women have also produced a good race, and when the men have produced a bad race, the women have also done so. However, as was argued in Cecilie Uttrup Ludwig's Voxwomen piece, this depends on equivalence of course. The women did not get to do the section of racing in the desert in Doha, which provided all of the selective moments of the race, and in Innsbruck they will not be allowed to do the climb in the ITT nor the all-important Gramartboden climb that has attracted all of the pre-race attention. In Bergen, there was no Fløyen climb at the end of the women's TT.

I'm not saying that the women should necessarily be racing 260km - not now at least, it would be far too much of an outlier, but I don't see why, as distance in women's races is gradually increasing, parity of distance should not be a viable goal - a comparison would be when the Vasaloppet was part of the XC Skiing World Cup - all of the distance specialist women chose not to enter the 45km women's race (a 50% reduction in distance on the true Vasaloppet) and instead participate in the non-World-Cup real Vasaloppet over it's proper 90km distance, leaving the men to fight among the marathon specialists, but the women to race a reduced field on their own because their marathon specialists were not interested in a surrogate half-distance race.

However, the women DO deserve the chance to race on equivalent parcours. We've just seen them climb Monte Zoncolan, with Annemiek van Vleuten setting a time that would have put her in the top 40 in the men's Giro stage that Froome won two months earlier. They're capable of climbing Gramartboden and they deserve to have the opportunity to show that women's cycling can be exciting and interesting and be worth watching - we watch an awful lot of absolute garbage men's races during the year, so the quality of the racing is only a case against women's cycling if the women aren't given a fair opportunity to showcase what they can do, because they have produced some excellent racing at times in the last few years. The Rio road race was spectacular, the 2016 Giro had a mountain stage where the top 2 on GC attacked on the penultimate climb 50km from home and rode across to the best young rider who had gone solo from the first climb of the day, the Emakumeen Bira last year saw a climbing exhibition from Ashleigh Moolman-Pasio that derailed a three-pronged Orica assault that had been dominating the race in one go, La Course saw solo assaults from 40km from home of the kind nobody showed in the Tour de France and featured one of the most tense chasedowns we've seen in years culminating in a last-second shock, and nearly every year at La Flèche Wallonne there are attacks in the women's race before the Mur de Huy. In the words of Cille, when Kasper Asgreen raised the query that maybe by producing different routes, the objective was to prevent one of the big hurdles that women's road cycling faces - that, paradoxically unlike sports where the women are competing in the same events, like athletics, the women get compared more to the men in road cycling and not treated as the best within their own field like track cyclists, cyclocrossers and MTB riders to a greater extent are - "The point is not that we want to be measured against the men. The point is that I want our routes to be as exciting as the men’s routes." So long as the most anticipated obstacles of the events are being withheld from the women, whether it be actively patronising the women by suggesting they can't do it or misguidedly trying to build up suspense for the men's race by not unveiling the big challenge until the elite men take it on (thus inherently harming the prestige of the other races, including the elite women, by implicitly stating that these are all lesser competitions - we know that the elite men is the main event in such championships, but we don't need to implicitly state that they are the only ones worthy of the biggest challenges - that is risible enough with the U23s, but at least they have the excuse that they are the espoirs, and they can aspire to the Elites in future; the women do not have that opportunity to "graduate" to the harder parcours and therefore we are left with the implication that the UCI consider women are not worthy of taking on the toughest and most anticipated challenges).

Cille isn't the first pro woman to raise these concerns either. In 2015 Emma Johansson criticised the Women's Tour, saying that while the organisation and the fan reception was top notch, unless they could produce some parcours that enabled the riders more opportunity to make the race she wouldn't return (the organisers duly obliged with a much more interesting 2016 route, for the record); in 2017 Annemiek van Vleuten criticised the much less mountainous route, saying that the route had not been conducive enough to attacking riding. The women are actively clamouring for harder, more selective races that they can showcase themselves and their sport in. Sure, the TV audience may be limited compared to the men's right now, but they want the opportunity to give the audience a reason to care and to tune back in because it gives them more chance to provide entertaining racing, it gives TV companies the better opportunity to sell the race to a larger audience, and it gives sponsors more of a reason to invest, and makes more money for the organisers - a win-win, you'd think. Wouldn't you?
 
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But the physical capabilities ain't the same, i.e. men cover a longer distance in an amount of time than women, so why not have race distances/routes that reflect the different physical capabilities?
TV money aside, who cares how long it takes? Since you are really stuck on the time element, how about they stop the racers at 60 minutes (or whatever set time) and whoever goes the farthest wins. Kind of like the hour record I guess only outside instead of on an oval.
 
Truthfully I think the women should be racing the same distance as the U-23 men's races/TTs. I was shocked their race and TT distances were shorter than the U-23 race and TT at the Worlds a couple years ago. As for the equal prize money, until the women's events bring in the same revenue as the men's they should not be getting the same prize money. HOWEVER, they should be getting more of their races on TV to find out if there is an audience or not as well.
 
Because of the nature of cycling, women's cycling shouldn't be any less interesting than men's. It isn't like football, say, where the quality gap even on the technical side is huge. Outside of remaining prejudices and preferences, women's cycling should get the same, or at least roughly similar, ratings, like biathlon, athletics and skiing do. Obviously due to history etc. the men's side in those sports is bigger, but not by much. Perhaps there could be a strange moment for some as 10km to the finish becomes noticeably more time.
 
Agree with the point that in principle genders should eventually race similar events.

Concerning TTs though, and taking into the account that it is an event where the ability to have a high critical power with good aerodynamics is decisive, I wonder if distance is the key variable?

Say the tt event is 45-60min for men and 60-80min for women, and of equal distance. These are simply for illustration, feel free to replace them with more realistic figures. Now given the hyperbolic downward sloping curve of the power-duration relationship, it would not be unfounded to ask whether the events are apple-to-apple comparable from the perspective of physiological demands. To wit, men in this example will operate on a larger fraction of their aerobic capacity. In practice maybe more endurance type TTers would be given the advantage in the women's race. Not much, the curve flattens out quite a bit on this time range, but anyway.

I am completely fine with this "bias" btw, but the power-duration relationship and its effects ought to be condidered I think.

Would similar duration events be a bad compromise? Maybe. I dunno.

E.g.: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/27806677/