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Should JV and DM be steering cycling wrt cleaning it up?

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Apr 26, 2010
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Until the entire old guard is removed, all the new policies put in place aren't going to work. You're always going to have someone there in the background operating under the agenda from the past.

You see it with political parties all the time - the relics that won't go away, who are moved to the side, yet still seem to have some influence to some degree.

Unfortunately, it's gonna be a long term solution to fix this, cos take away Pat and his cronies, and you've still go 'influencial' people in same way or form in every team out there.
Dear Wiggo said:
No. I was simply pointing out he rode a GT well in the past. It's got nothing to do with being clean or not, but whether you recover. I am not arguing whether he is clean, so your point here is irrelevant.

Does someone recover (ie does plasma volume expand) when they are racing in the Tour de France. JV says no.

Nothing to do with being clean. Purely physiological response to racing at the Tour.

Really? On a holiday in 2009? After riding half a Giro and a full TdF - again keeping in mind the discussion is, "Does this rider recover during a GT?" And he wins the final TT.

And then you say he's off the back of the autobus in 2011 - not a holiday that year? Really not following.

EPO helps recovery. Not pushing hard means you have less to recover from. Does struggle sometimes at end of tours. Just saying there is mixed evidence out there. It all looks a bit odd to me but then i dont claim to know that much about blood doping. At the end of the day Millar's 4 rating in the dirty list (i know, i know) was a bit of a surprise for such an advocate of anti-doping.