Should the grupetto have been DQ'd on Stage 15?

[DNP-Old]

Decision has been made. No DSQs.

 

[Pantani Attacks]

You're being naive if you think they'll DQ them. It's a different rule for Sky, as seen in this years Tour. A massive dark cloud over an all time great day in Cycling.

 

[Ramon Koran]

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Decision has been made. No DSQs.

Thanks good to hear!

 

[SKSemtex]

Re: Should Chris Froome still have teammates on Stage 16?

I know it will be a stupid question. But can the decision to let the riders go be taken to the court with some unsatisfied team.?

This is the competition with nice money involved a with certain frame of rules. I understand if all team agree on breaking some of them but no way all teams will agree this time.

 

[yaco]

The last 6 stages would have been boring and tedious without the 90 riders.

 

[Pantani Attacks]

Hopefully Movistar and Tinkoff make a complaint.

 

[jsem94]

Re: Re:

Decision has been made. No DSQs.

Thanks good to hear!

Continues the terrible precedent we have already. So no, bad news actually.

 

[SKSemtex]

Re: Should Chris Froome still have teammates on Stage 16?

bunch of cowards

 

[RattaKuningas]

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Hopefully Movistar and Tinkoff make a complaint.

Hopefully. What's the point of making rules.
They make the rules and then don't enforce them. I can't see any logic behind this. Why make rules at all then? Why not make everything up on the go?

 

[capuldemetal]

they are allowed to start tomorrow..buuuuuu

 

[hrotha]

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You're being naive if you think they'll DQ them. It's a different rule for Sky, as seen in this years Tour. A massive dark cloud over an all time great day in Cycling.

Absolutely no one was under the impression that they would be DQ'd. And by the way, this is not about Sky at all; cycling started before 2010, and this kind of thing has 1) happened for decades at the very least, and 2) been a pet peeve of many a cycling fan for a long time.

 

[MatParker117]

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If they are not going to enforce the time limit, how about banning any riders who finished outside from winning the stage the following day? Those riders, who have essentially broken the rules of the race, now have a massive advantage in the stage tomorrow; they should at least be deprived of that opportunity.

It's a points penalty usually.

 

[Ramon Koran]

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Decision has been made. No DSQs.

Thanks good to hear!

Continues the terrible precedent we have already. So no, bad news actually.

True but you can't stop the precedent without making it clear before hand. It would be unfair on the riders who would have if they known expended that little bit extra energy to get within the time limit

 

[Andro]

Should he? Most definitely not.

Will he? Almost surely yes. Sadly.

 

[Laplaz]

Now it's official. They will start tomorrow.

 

[Andro]

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True but you can't stop the precedent without making it clear before hand. It would be unfair on the riders who would have if they known expended that little bit extra energy to get within the time limit

It is also extremely unfair to everyone who stayed inside the time limit if these guys are allowed to just take an extra rest day and continue unpunished.

If these guys are allowed to continue, there is nothing to stop the heaviest guys in the peloton just dropping from km 1 on mountain stages and rolling in 2 hours behind the winner.

Just because Sky expected that rules would be bent in their favor, it doesn't become unfair to stick to the actual rule.

 

[hrotha]

Focusing on Sky is really not helping your arguments here.

 

[Ramon Koran]

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True but you can't stop the precedent without making it clear before hand. It would be unfair on the riders who would have if they known expended that little bit extra energy to get within the time limit

It is also extremely unfair to everyone who stayed inside the time limit if these guys are allowed to just take an extra rest day and continue unpunished.

If these guys are allowed to continue, there is nothing to stop the heaviest guys in the peloton just dropping from km 1 on mountain stages and rolling in 2 hours behind the winner.

Just because Sky expected that rules would be bent in their favor, it doesn't become unfair to stick to the actual rule.

Of course it's unfair but it's always been like it, if all of sudden the rule is enforced then it needs to be made clear and pass through various channels including the riders Union. Tbh I don't agree with the rule it asks heavy riders to do huge efforts on difficult terrain.

 

[burning]

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Decision has been made. No DSQs.

Thanks good to hear!

Continues the terrible precedent we have already. So no, bad news actually.

True but you can't stop the precedent without making it clear before hand. It would be unfair on the riders who would have if they known expended that little bit extra energy to get within the time limit

Little bit extra energy= going 20+ minutes faster.

That equality only holds under skybot logic.

 

[SKSemtex]

Re: Should Chris Froome still have teammates on Stage 16?

And some people are still surprised why is so much negative feelings towards SKY.
It was the Tour "rule banding" and now all their team take the day off without any punishment.
So tomorrow thy will have completely fresh team, we are lucky there is not a mountain stage tomorrow.

 

[fantomas]

Bakelants and De Gendt saying on Twitter, they'd feel it would be a fraud to let them race on as they didn't even make an effort to make the time limit.

 

[Googolplex]

I don't think there is a precedent for this. Yes, large groups that have been a few minutes behind have been forgiven in the past, but this was by far the most blatant abuse of the rule and it's not the spirit of the rule to allow that to happen.

 

[Red Rick]

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If they are not going to enforce the time limit, how about banning any riders who finished outside from winning the stage the following day? Those riders, who have essentially broken the rules of the race, now have a massive advantage in the stage tomorrow; they should at least be deprived of that opportunity.

Yea, but those riders could still influence the outcome of the race because of the energy saved today by not having to care about making the time cut, which is the issue. And even if they fine the riders, the issue is that the smaller teams get penalized more, relatively speaking, than the bigger ones who can afford those fines better; it would be ludicrously unfair to penalise some riders more than others for the same offence; fining them points, or time, is irrelevant because only the elite sprinters will care about the points and if they're finishing outside the time cut they don't have any reason to care about a time penalty either, so a fine is the only way they can punish them and have it mean anything, realistically.

They will allow them to continue and that's fine, there's enough precedent set, but the UCI and race organizers need to review the protocol because right now the riders simply know they are in no danger as long as there's enough of them, so you get a farcical situation where as long as you're in a sizable enough group you can't be HD, so you needn't care and domestiques can basically ride as cyclotourists if they so please. It happens too often that a group pays no mind to the time cut because they know it won't be enforced, and sometimes they make it and it's no problem, other times they don't and they get away with it. On today's stage they took it to the extreme, amplified because of the short distance, to the point where it outright makes a mockery of the time cut protocol.

LS, nail, hammer, again.

I guess if they're gonna do fines, it should be a tiny proportion of annual team budget? Say, 0.01% of annual team budget per rider. 1 grand for a rider from a team with a budget of 10M.

 

[Ramon Koran]

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Decision has been made. No DSQs.

Thanks good to hear!

Continues the terrible precedent we have already. So no, bad news actually.

True but you can't stop the precedent without making it clear before hand. It would be unfair on the riders who would have if they known expended that little bit extra energy to get within the time limit

Little bit extra energy= going 20+ minutes faster.

That equality only holds under skybot logic.

What makes you think I'm a skybot? 20 minutes over a four hour stage is only about 10 percent more speed not a lot

 

[Pantani Attacks]

Teams should at least lose one or two team members. A fine means nothing to some teams when they won't even have to pick up the tab for it. Cough cough.