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should vino be forgiven ?

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Contrary to what Pat McQuaid and his Bio Passport PR machine would have us believe, it is still relatively easy to "cheat", without being detected.
Note what Thomas Frei has just said on the subject.
So, to single out Vino for ridicule, simply because in the past, he may not made the right, contrite noises, is daft.
Remember, there are riders out there, who have been getting away with cheating, throughout their careers. That is as certain as other life forces existing within the universe.
Until "cheats" become isolated cases, the only realistic course for the "fan", is to support the sport, rather than individual riders.
It is the only way to avoid disillusionment and unloading on individual targets, for the ills within the sport.
 
Steel4Ever said:
Ha! Are you serious?!?!

Is the Catholic church running professional cycling now?

Lifetime ban because he comes back into the sport aggressive and aiming to win instead of hiding at the back of the pack and soft peddling for a year?

Repenting and forgiveness have NOTHING to do with the legalities of the sport!

Good thing people like you don't run the court systems.

Calm down, little girl.
 
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He served the time for his crime and is back as a fighter. That is enough for me to forgive and forget.

I am not up to speed on the Vino chronicles; did he admit to dope?
 
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Forgiveness is not required. When you are caught, you serve time... period. He served his, he came back and won. Good for him. I don't particularly like him but I don't think he's owes any sort of repentance.
 
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Murray said:
Forgiveness is not required. When you are caught, you serve time... period. He served his, he came back and won. Good for him. I don't particularly like him but I don't think he's owes any sort of repentance.

My view exactly. Well said.
Though he is entertaining to watch, I kind of like his style.

I sure hope the Caps win tonight.
 
Ferminal said:
Did it occur to you that anyone who won a GT in the last 10 years, be it aggressively or defensively, did it as a result of doping?
So what?
Why not have life bans for all convicted dopers?
Strip them of ALL results in their pro career.
Fine them their entire career's prize money & money made from endorsements. Put endorsement money into drug testing, hold the prize money in trust, and re-distribute it the cyclists that finished behind them. Do this at the end of the beneficiaries' careers - on the proviso that they don't test positive, too.
If they don't pay up - off to jail for a 5 year minimum.

Too harsh?
 

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Nick777 said:
So what?
Life bans for all convicted dopers, I say.
Strip them of all results in their pro career.
Fine them their entire career's prize money & money made from endorsements.

I'd have to say you're correct unless the powers that be are content to run the sport like the WWF.
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Nick777 said:
So what?
Why not have life bans for all convicted dopers?
Strip them of ALL results in their pro career.
Fine them their entire career's prize money & money made from endorsements. Put endorsement money into drug testing, hold the prize money in trust, and re-distribute it the cyclists that finished behind them. Do this at the end of the beneficiaries' careers - on the proviso that they don't test positive, too.
If they don't pay up - off to jail for a 5 year minimum.

Too harsh?

Nah give the money to JB, Riis, Lefevre, Zabel etc, they will discover a new breed who don't feel the need to cheat :rolleyes:
 

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bianchigirl said:
So Jamsque, this is about you feeling let down by Vino, right? One of the advantages of being a fan of the sport rather than individual riders is that you don't get disappointed by human nature ;)

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What is sport but drama played out?

What is drama without protagonists?

Perhaps you just like watching muscley men on shiney bikes riding along for hours....and hours ....and hours

Would you be as enthused watching a GranFondo?