Sinkewitz, positive for rHGH

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Yesterday, nine 80 x 120 cm pallets fully loaded with rHGH (Norditropin) were stolen in Denmark: link:
http://www.dr.dk/P4/Kbh/Nyheder/Koebenhavn/2011/03/18/171503.htm&regional
Probably, organized crime is involved in the theft - and probably also in the "re-distribution". In Denmark, this could be hells Angels or Bandidos biker gangs. I suppose other countries have similar problems, eg. the mafia would be involved in dope dealing in bike-happy Italy, wouldn´t it?
 
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German TV must have read the mail and jumped ship whilst waiting for this latest creature to stick a head above the parapet !

Will lend a stamp to the German Federation if it will help them avoid behaving like the spanish !

Life ban please , Mc Queasy needs to bite the bullet and get his act together and start the 4 yr bans for first offence and lifetime for second !

Olympic Cycling is starting to look as though it will not survive beyond 2012 the way some of these cretins are continuing to practise "Sporting Fraud" .
 
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skippy said:
German TV must have read the mail and jumped ship whilst waiting for this latest creature to stick a head above the parapet !

Will lend a stamp to the German Federation if it will help them avoid behaving like the spanish !

Life ban please , Mc Queasy needs to bite the bullet and get his act together and start the 4 yr bans for first offence and lifetime for second !

Olympic Cycling is starting to look as though it will not survive beyond 2012 the way some of these cretins are continuing to practise "Sporting Fraud" .
4 year bans followed by lifetime is a good suggestion.
 
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Hi everybody,

Long time reader, first (or second) time poster. This is blatant speculation but I wonder if there is a connection with the announcement of the HGH test and the battle over the race radio ban. Looks like the UCI has fired a shot across the bow of the peleton. It will be curious to see what happens now with the solidarity of the riders against the ban...I have a feeling HGH use is not only the domain of "ex-dopers".
 
Hugh Januss said:
Why that is not a true statement.





UCI does not like guys who tell the truth about doping.
That doesn't make sense. Going after him now only reminds everybody of Sinkewitz and of what he said back then, not to mention it creates the possibility of Patrik speaking out again. If they wanted to get rid of him, they'd have figured something out at the time of his first ban, like with Kohl, or they'd have blacklisted him for real. UCI is not a gang of supervillains, they don't do this kind of thing for evil's sake when it's detrimental to their own interests.
 
Oct 16, 2010
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If, for the sake of the argument, we give Sinkewitz the benefit of the doubt, his positive could point to a team program, viz. team doctors juicing their riders without them knowing. I mean, could he really have been that stupid?

Will be interesting to hear Sinkewitz's position on the positive and whether he asks for the B-probe.
 
Ryo Hazuki said:
seriously what a load of crap. the uci doesn't care about which rider or what. these aren't the days of lance armstrong anymore and the uci is scared as s*it. why do you think they trie to nail contador?? it's the biggest risk they ever took and it's probably not even going to work. Can't believe people really believing these conspiracy theory's. sinkewitz was an unimportant rider now. they just had him on the radar like they had with colom, lobato, valjavec and pellizotti not a personal vendetta against them :rolleyes:
Hi Ryo,

No need to roll the eyes on me. If you want to be taken seriously you need to come here with better arguments than this. I am not even sure that you know what you are talking about.

1- Who told you that the UCI wanted to nail Contador??? You need to read more about it.
2- Do you know what HGH is used for? Is not to enhance but to maintain, so save you rhetoric about the wattages. It is part of the equation but not the biggest offender.
3- So you don't believe the UCI want to get rid off of some people?? You are giving too much credit to the UCI (Landis, Rasmussen, Heras, Jörg Jaksche, etc, etc)
“The positive GH test in cycling is encouraging,” Pr Dine told Cyclingnews. “Perhaps the athletes who used that will be scared and will change their habits.” But the French expert is cautious too: “The GH test is still complicated to do and we still have to strongly target the athletes. What is more, the IGF-1 test is even more subtle...”
Get it?
 
hrotha said:
That doesn't make sense. Going after him now only reminds everybody of Sinkewitz and of what he said back then, not to mention it creates the possibility of Patrik speaking out again. If they wanted to get rid of him, they'd have figured something out at the time of his first ban, like with Kohl, or they'd have blacklisted him for real. UCI is not a gang of supervillains, they don't do this kind of thing for evil's sake when it's detrimental to their own interests.
He was targeted for HGH test?

“The positive GH test in cycling is encouraging,” Pr Dine told Cyclingnews. “Perhaps the athletes who used that will be scared and will change their habits.” But the French expert is cautious too: “The GH test is still complicated to do and we still have to strongly target the athletes. What is more, the IGF-1 test is even more subtle...”
Do you think he was the only one using HGH? or the only one whose use showed in the Biopassport?

Trust me I don't like the stupid conspiracy theories more than you do but I don't understand why this guy falls for a drug that is so difficult to catch, so widespread in the peloton and whose test is so complicated and expensive.
 
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sniper said:
If, for the sake of the argument, we give Sinkewitz the benefit of the doubt, his positive could point to a team program, viz. team doctors juicing their riders without them knowing. I mean, could he really have been that stupid?

Will be interesting to hear Sinkewitz's position on the positive and whether he asks for the B-probe.
I think the fallacy of riders getting doped without their knowledge is just that, a fallacy.

Sure they may have have been 'acclimatized' by the almost omnipresent 'iron/B12 shot', but cummon... We've got something a bit more specific going on.

Don't worry about Stinkypits, investigate the staff of the team. Or his team-oriented palmares. He rode for who? What ended up being disclosed about those teams? Who were the staff involved in those teams? Who from that list is still pulling cheques from new teams?

Once again, it's not solo rider malfeacense. This **** IS the pro program. If you can't get that yet, you have try harder to pull your head out...

Back to tagging team structures. There will always be another rider to replace the rider that just got a life-time ban. Hit the structure/management of the teams.

Until that happens, there will always be another talented rider that will juice to avoid working retail or slinging drinks with Ricco.
 
Escarabajo said:
He was targeted for HGH test?



Do you think he was the only one using HGH? or the only one whose use showed in the Biopassport?

Trust me I don't like the stupid conspiracy theories more than you do but I don't understand why this guy falls for a drug that is so difficult to catch, so widespread in the peloton and whose test is so complicated and expensive.
Maybe they had reasons to think he was suspicious? Should they have looked the other way because if they nailed Sinkewitz people would think funny things about the UCI? HGH is very hard to find, as you say. What makes you think his samples were the only ones to be tested? Maybe he just was unlucky?

Conspiracy theories tend to fail in that they never provide a motive for the crime. But the motive is crucial. A generic "they don't like Sinkewitz" won't do when they're harming themselves in the process.
 
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hrotha said:
Maybe they had reasons to think he was suspicious? Should they have looked the other way because if they nailed Sinkewitz people would think funny things about the UCI? HGH is very hard to find, as you say. What makes you think his samples were the only ones to be tested? Maybe he just was unlucky?

Conspiracy theories tend to fail in that they never provide a motive for the crime. But the motive is crucial. A generic "they don't like Sinkewitz" won't do when they're harming themselves in the process.
Or maybe it's even as simple as the doctor in the article said - when they believe the drug can't be detected it's easy to become careless...
 
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JPM London said:
Or maybe it's even as simple as the doctor in the article said - when they believe the drug can't be detected it's easy to become careless...
If the UCI wasn't complicit in making things look good, there would've been a lot more riders leaving skid-marks in their chamois. Let's hope it's changing.

I'm looking for full-on potato lumps in shorts.
 
hrotha said:
Maybe they had reasons to think he was suspicious? Should they have looked the other way because if they nailed Sinkewitz people would think funny things about the UCI? HGH is very hard to find, as you say. What makes you think his samples were the only ones to be tested? Maybe he just was unlucky?

Conspiracy theories tend to fail in that they never provide a motive for the crime. But the motive is crucial. A generic "they don't like Sinkewitz" won't do when they're harming themselves in the process.
Fair enough.

Again, I really don't like conspiracy theories but after so much proof of corruption shown by the UCI I have become so skeptical on this department. I wish there was something else other than the HGH.

On an additional note I thought that the UCI had made progress or improved developments on the testing of the HGH but after reading the article the scientists point at the fact that is the same old test. So it looks like only the targeted or the careless riders are the ones being nailed. So I won't expect the riders to be scare on this.
 
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Not usually used in-competition

Because growth hormone works slowly, it generally isn't used in-competition. HGH is usually taken between events, and a steroid "booster" is used just before, or in-competition.

Because HGH clears the system quickly and is generally used out of competition, only the sloppiest, or most unlucky users will get caught.
 
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Tony Martin, Andreas Kloden 1st & 2nd in the Paris-Nice, a nice one -two for Germany. Things are looking up for German cyclng fans then good old Sinkewitz pops a positive. Just what German cycling needed and cycling in general

I really couldn't give a rats ar... if he was targeted. If he was, they were correct (subject to B-test). If they got him through the Bio- Passport great.
All that matters is they got him.

Kick him out of cycling for life in all aspects, enough is enough.
I, for one am tired of hearing it was a mistake. Blah Blah bloody Blah.

I'ts time the AIGCP & CPA got tough with the riders, refusing to sign them or race with them, this includes Katusha. So JV & GB how about it?

I don't think cycling fans would have a problem with it, the managers might though.So please do something for the good of cycling.

Sorry about the rant. It is a full moon I think, if it's not it should be.
 
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Andynonomous said:
Because growth hormone works slowly, it generally isn't used in-competition. HGH is usually taken between events, and a steroid "booster" is used just before, or in-competition.

Because HGH clears the system quickly and is generally used out of competition, only the sloppiest, or most unlucky users will get caught.
It has been commonly used during stage races for well over a decade.
 
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http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/06/04/1941168.htm

HGH doesn't improve sports performance: study
Posted Mon Jun 4, 2007 6:15am AEST
Updated Mon Jun 4, 2007 6:16am AEST

Australian scientists have found that taking supplements of human growth hormones (HGH) does not improve sports performance.

Scientists at Sydney's Garvan Institute gave 100 weekend athletes supplements of either HGH, testosterone or a placebo.

Anne Nelson, from the Garvan Institute, says they have developed a sophisticated new test which can detect HGH and testosterone in athletes weeks after they have taken the substances.

Dr Nelson says taking both supplements made a difference to performance, but HGH on its own had no effect.

"People should think twice about using human growth hormone, because in our study, using high but safe doses, we could find no effect on muscle mass or sports performance," she said.

The results are being presented today at an international medical conference in Canada.
 
Race Radio said:
It has been commonly used during stage races for well over a decade.
Among other things, has been demonstrated to boost sprint.

It has also been used for at least that long in basketball - often starting at a young age - as it is claimed to increase vertical jump (and height). Add miraculous healing powers and assistance to 'get big'.

40 inch vertical leap in high school? Get real. Must be the shoes.

And, boy are basketball players ever big these days.

Dave.
 
2beeDammed said:
Yes, but what about when combined with Testosterone?

From a WADA funded study:

Growth hormone significantly increased sprint capacity (and more than double that) when coadministered with testosterone to men; other performance measures did not significantly change. The increase in sprint capacity was not maintained 6 weeks after discontinuation of the drug.

(AND)

Growth hormone dosage may have been lower than that used covertly by competitive athletes
http://www.annals.org/content/152/9/568.abstract

So, if you are a user, you want to be taking it within 6 wks of competition or less.

Dave.
 
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Placebo effect ?

Race Radio said:
It has been commonly used during stage races for well over a decade.

Maybe riders are mis-informed about the benefits ?

I am pretty sure growth hormones by themselves will give no short term "boost". That is why it is administered in tennis weeks before competition, then boosted with steroids in-competition (look up Rafael Nadal and "PRP").
 
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GP lugano is a 1-day event - why would this rider be doing HGH at that time ? is he in prep for April rides ?
 
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Andynonomous said:
Maybe riders are mis-informed about the benefits ?

I am pretty sure growth hormones by themselves will give no short term "boost". That is why it is administered in tennis weeks before competition, then boosted with steroids in-competition (look up Rafael Nadal and "PRP").
That search tip is interesting indeed. Gave me this:
http://gototennis.com/2010/09/25/rafael-nadal-knee-update-his-doctors-spin-on-prp-therapy/

Dr. Anthony Galea, the prominent sports-medicine specialist who administered PRP injections to Tiger Woods and many other professional athletes, was arrested late last year in Toronto for attempting to smuggle Human Growth Hormone across the U.S./Canadian border. According to the New York Times, he was also “suspected of providing athletes with performance-enhancing drugs.”
 

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