Sky/Froome Talk Only (No Way Sky Are Cleans?)

[roundabout]

Vaughters relies on numbers too much. Not many other reasons why he would keep a guy like Dekker.

 

[armchairclimber]

This place is going to be SO much fun come July. I mean, scene from Scanners fun....

I agree and said as much yesterday. Normally sane people frothing at the mouth.

I asked a simple question and, it would seem, I'm not going to get an intelligent answer. Hitch's ... I suppose it's a mixture of talent and PEDs was as close as I'm going to get, though why there had to be an addendum referring to my ease of sleep, I don't know. I sleep fine.

The point I was making is that he is clearly a very talented rider, whether he is doping or not. There's no witchcraft.

Ah well...the ducking stool will be getting some hammer this summer. Should be fun.

 

[The Hitch]

I agree and said as much yesterday. Normally sane people frothing at the mouth.

I asked a simple question and, it would seem, I'm not going to get an intelligent answer. Hitch's ... I suppose it's a mixture of talent and PEDs was as close as I'm going to get, though why there had to be an addendum referring to my ease of sleep, I don't know. I sleep fine.

The point I was making is that he is clearly a very talented rider, whether he is doping or not. There's no witchcraft.

Ah well...the ducking stool will be getting some hammer this summer. Should be fun.

Your asked how someone could go from 0 to talent just on drugs. Its happened before - see Di Luca and plenty of other examples.

But even if you are right that Froome is an exceptionally talented rider, he is not just beating everyone, he is on a season long peak - something even the best dopers struggled with, and making a mockery of people like Nibali and Valverde who probably are still doping themselves.

Oh and if Chris Froome wins the Tour de France, a year after Bradley Wiggins won the Tour de France,- a event that pretty has been monopolized by dopers, the only people lacking in the sanity department are the ones who arent asking questions.

 

[Pentacycle]

Vaughters relies on numbers too much. Not many other reasons why he would keep a guy like Dekker.

Another reason is that Vaughters feels sympathy for TD, but I don't see any reason why he should keep him on the team if he doesn't get results.

Perhaps JV hopes he's making Froome-like progress; that means actually becoming worse, and then suddenly almost winning a GT. Maybe Dekker has a parasite?

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Dekker had great test results indeed, one of the better ones of the team. His main problem is self-confidence. I think JV keeps hoping that Dekker will turn it around in his head and that he'll get results again.

But I don't have much faith, only hope...

 

[Cycle Chic]

Froome Outcast

Didn't anyone else think todays Sky Ride was odd ??

Froome was left on his own with 9kms to go. NO-ONE in sight apart from Porte - and then Porte suddenly cant keep up...huh ?? whats going on ?

I think plans are afoot to have poor Chris bite the dust. The Prologue was even too much for Brailsford to endure. I mean he's giving them bad press and his Rasmussen performances have gone beyond control.

I think they want Wiggins as Tour leader and Froomes downfall will soon be on its way. (bit like Macbeth).

 

[Pentacycle]

Your asked how someone could go from 0 to talent just on drugs. Its happened before - see Di Luca and plenty of other examples.

But even if you are right that Froome is an exceptionally talented rider, he is not just beating everyone, he is on a season long peak - something even the best dopers struggled with, and making a mockery of people like Nibali and Valverde who probably are still doping themselves.

Oh and if Chris Froome wins the Tour de France, a year after Bradley Wiggins won the Tour de France,- a event that pretty has been monopolized by dopers, the only people lacking in the sanity department are the ones who arent asking questions.

You're actually partly admitting he's talented. At least, you're saying he's talented to the extent that he has the ability to peak for a half a season fully on drugs. Which is better than 'pile of ****e'-talented, who can't even do that on a full program.

 

[The Hitch]

You're actually partly admitting he's talented. At least, you're saying he's talented to the extent that he has the ability to peak for a half a season fully on drugs. Which is better than 'pile of ****e'-talented, who can't even do that on a full program.

I never said froome wasn't talented.

 

[JimmyFingers]

Didn't anyone else think todays Sky Ride was odd ??

Froome was left on his own with 9kms to go. NO-ONE in sight apart from Porte - and then Porte suddenly cant keep up...huh ?? whats going on ?

I think plans are afoot to have poor Chris bite the dust. The Prologue was even too much for Brailsford to endure. I mean he's giving them bad press and his Rasmussen performances have gone beyond control.

I think they want Wiggins as Tour leader and Froomes downfall will soon be on its way. (bit like Macbeth).

Great post and completely ignores the fact 3 Sky riders abandoned, but don't go letting the facts get in the way. It would be a first anyway.

 

[armchairclimber]

Your asked how someone could go from 0 to talent just on drugs. Its happened before - see Di Luca and plenty of other examples.

But even if you are right that Froome is an exceptionally talented rider, he is not just beating everyone, he is on a season long peak - something even the best dopers struggled with, and making a mockery of people like Nibali and Valverde who probably are still doping themselves.

Oh and if Chris Froome wins the Tour de France, a year after Bradley Wiggins won the Tour de France,- a event that pretty has been monopolized by dopers, the only people lacking in the sanity department are the ones who arent asking questions.

Ok, I'm asking questions so I'll be ok then. Excellent.

 

[Parrulo]

What i think its hilarious are guys like Pentacycle who uses froome u23 results and pseudo numbers no one as ever seen to say froome is talented on this thread and then goes to the road racing section and posts this:

Since when is l 'Avenir a true indication of one's talent?

That is about former Avennir and u23 world champ Roman Sicard who apparently is completely talentless. But what are l'avennir and the worlds when compared to a stage on the mighty Giro delle Regioni.

 

[JimmyFingers]

Just another day at the office for Chris, nothing special. Weak competition, the weather suited him, he wanted to win more than the rest.

Took just a minute in 9 kilometres.You have them at hand?

He didn't take that minute alone now, did he? It was an impressive performance in horrible conditions but he and Spilak worked hard together while the chasers looks very disorganised.

Don't get me wrong: Froome looked very, very good, but it doesn't need exaggerating either.

 

[Cycle Chic]

Great post and completely ignores the fact 3 Sky riders abandoned, but don't go letting the facts get in the way. It would be a first anyway.

Not normal. When have we seen Sky numbers falling out the back of the peloton - LOPEZ !! ??

 

[airstream]

The posters whose reasoning is 'if a rider doesn't show something special until 23, he is absolutely untalented and desperate' are not less hilarious. Apparently Horner had to quit cycling at 23 or 25, Petacchi too...

 

[Pentacycle]

Sicard and Froome are not the same riders... How talented are they both according to you, Parrulo?

 

[Parrulo]

He didn't take that minute alone now, did he? It was an impressive performance in horrible conditions but he and Spilak worked hard together while the chasers looks very disorganised.

Don't get me wrong: Froome looked very, very good, but it doesn't need exaggerating either.

Spilak took about 3 turns and was having to work very hard to hang to froome's wheel on the parts that were a bit more then a false flat.

 

[JimmyFingers]

Not normal. When have we seen Sky numbers falling out the back of the peloton - LOPEZ !! ??

Err I have no idea what you are trying to say, but then I suspect neither have you. Rasch, Sutton and Kennaugh abandoned, Lopez worked at the front then dropped off, as did Porte.

 

[JimmyFingers]

Spilak took about 3 turns and was having to work very hard to hang to froome's wheel on the parts that were a bit more then a false flat.

That's an extremely subjective analysis and inaccurate given the camera wasn't on them the entire time. And I saw Spilak do plenty of the work and look comfortable, working well with Froome.

As I have said: it was a very, very good ride from Froome, it doesn't need exaggerating, you have the fuel you need for the fire without misrepresenting the actual race.

 

[Pentacycle]

The posters whose reasoning is 'if a rider doesn't show something special until 23, he is absolutely untalented and desperate' are not less hilarious. Apparently Horner had to quit cycling at 23 or 25, Petacchi too...

Don't forget Wiggo Some riders take longer to get to their peak, but they aren't less talented than riders who peak when they're 23. It's often a matter of patience, having all pieces come together.(+ in some cases juice ofc)

 

[roundabout]

That's an extremely subjective analysis and inaccurate given the camera wasn't on them the entire time. And I saw Spilak do plenty of the work and look comfortable, working well with Froome.

As I have said: it was a very, very good ride from Froome, it doesn't need exaggerating, you have the fuel you need for the fire without misrepresenting the actual race.

No, it's a completely reasonable analysis of what it looked like when the camera was on them.

That the chase didn't seem to be organized is a different matter. I am only really interested to see how much time Porte and Rolland lose from the top of the climb to the finish.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Don't forget Wiggo Some riders take longer to get to their peak, but they aren't less talented than riders who peak when they're 23. It's often a matter of patience, having all pieces come together.(+ in some cases juice ofc)

The only thing that takes time is doping below the radar and get big results. Thats the "art" these days. Requires very good doctors too, at least until the cocktail is well established. After that the clowns can continue on their own.

 

[Pentacycle]

The only thing that takes time is doping below the radar and get big results. Thats the "art" these days. Requires very good doctors too, at least until the cocktail is well established. After that the clowns can continue on their own.

The 'clowns' you talk about still require a lot of talent to reach the top nowadays, if they only use sub-radar doping.

 

[JimmyFingers]

No, it's a completely reasonable analysis of what it looked like when the camera was on them.

That the chase didn't seem to be organized is a different matter. I am only really interested to see how much time Porte and Rolland lose from the top of the climb to the finish.

OK but I can say something different: I watched it live and at no point did I think Spilak looked like he was struggling or that Froome was doing the lion's share of the work. It was impressive nonetheless, and certainly in line with Froome's ability since 2011, which is the beginning of his leap, so it fits with the doping narrative.

As I said, it was subjective, that means other people can disagree

 

[airstream]

The 'clowns' you talk about still require a lot of talent to reach the top nowadays, if they only use sub-radar doping.

In this case we should admit that at least 1/2 of super elite are clowns. Sky boys, Rodriguez, Hesjedal...

 

[martinvickers]

The only thing that takes time is doping below the radar and get big results. Thats the "art" these days. Requires very good doctors too, at least until the cocktail is well established. After that the clowns can continue on their own.

oh, like that, very good. Not a convenient conclusion at all.