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FFWally said:
So long for the glory days and see what you dig up. Todays cycling is far cleaner than it was even 10 years ago.

In the "glory days" we did not have middle of the packers go see a doctor and become both the best time trialist and best climber. That alone says that no matter what substances nor how much of them was being taken, the doping is not in any way comparable. It used to be impossible to turn a donkey into a thoroughbred. Not any more. Not since the very early 90s.
 
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excellent discussion

The last few posts on this thread have finally offered some intelligent debate.
As long as man has competed against each other in athletic contest he has tried to find some way of achieving an edge on his opposition. im sure even the ancient Greeks had their herbal potions. Today we have just become more high tech.
In the 80s it was a lot more dangerous than it is now as we were using nervous system stimulants and artificial hormones, mostly without a doctors supervision. As the money in cycling has increased so has the rwesearch into performance enhancing substances. No matter how comprehensive the testing becomes there will always be some opportunistic pharmacutical boffin finding a new way to beat the system. Its just human nature. Maybe there's some merrit in legalising doping but it would still have to be policed somehow and would always be open to corruption. Most dominant sports people are egotistical megolamaniacs. None more so than Hinault. It is this very ego which drives their rise to prominence. There are too many armchair experts contributing to this forum who have no idea what goes on behind the scenes in professional cycling. Everyone is entitled to there opinion but these self rightous prats need to stop trying to cram it down the throats of those with a different view. The hatred being dished out to Armstrong amazes me. Eddy Merckx is universally recognised as the greatest cyclist there has ever been and was penalised for doping infringements yet I dont hear the same character assinition being implimented.
 
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If you have not been there, shut the H*** up.
Why are you assuming that all of us here critical of doping had nothing to do with cycling and weren't "there"? If you stick around and pay attention you'll find that several of us were racers too, or coaches, or are connected to others pretty deep into the sport on various levels.

How and why every criticism of a doping problem in cycling becomes "hatred of Lance" is fascinating. This form of inoculation from criticism, while ignoring the discussion at hand, over and over has become a cliche upon itself.
 
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beroepsrenner said:
The last few posts on this thread have finally offered some intelligent debate.
As long as man has competed against each other in athletic contest he has some way of achieving an edge on his opposition. im sure even the ancient Greeks had their herbal potions. Today we have just become more high tech.
In the 80s it was a lot more dangerous than it is now as we were using nervous system stimulants and artificial hormones, mostly without a doctors supervision. As the money in cycling has increased so has the rwesearch into performance enhancing substances. No matter how comprehensive the testing becomes there will always be some opportunistic pharmacutical boffin finding a new way to beat the system. Its just human nature. Maybe there's some merrit in legalising doping but it would still have to be policed somehow and would always be open to corruption. Most dominant sports people are egotistical megolamaniacs. None more so than Hinault. It is this very ego which drives their rise to prominence. There are too many armchair experts contributing to this forum who have no idea what goes on behind the scenes in professional cycling. Everyone is entitled to there opinion but these self rightous prats need to stop trying to cram it down the throats of those with a different view. The hatred being dished out to Armstrong amazes me. Eddy Merckx is universally recognised as the greatest cyclist there has ever been and was penalised for doping infringements yet I dont hear the same character assinition being implimented.
You miss an important point: no one said that Merckx or Hinault or Lemond were not the strongest of their time. But most of us know that Lance is just the result of chemical enhancement, the result of Ferrari's hard work. Without PED he would never have won TDF or finished in top 20-30!

If you want to compare Lance with other "champions", you should do it with Indurain or Riis who were chemical creation too. Have you heard that 2 guys claiming they were the strongest? No because they knew the "truth" so they stayed modest.

Have you ever heard or read something about Merckx, Hinault,... sueing or threatening their opponents?

Maybe Merckx and Hinault had the same stupid behaviour but we have less exemples of them. And we have never seen them lying on their podium. We have never seen them trying to control our mind...
Who is that man who dare to act like a little dictator or an omnipotent guru of a sect?

Who created the "hatred" of Lance? Isn't it his lies, his stupid statements, his stupid behaviours or his ego?
That "hatred" exists because of Lance, nothing more.
 
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I run the risk of upsetting a lot of people here but the fact is Armstrong is your stereotypical american. Outspoken, brash and full of himself. I'm not particularly a fan of his but I am amazed at the way he has been singled out in this forum when he is no more guilty then many others. I have been involved in cycling all my life and know quite a few former stars who have decended into psychotic lives post cycling. I still think there is a touch of the tall poppy syndrome here. I know more than one former world champion that has done some pretty despicable things but that is another story. Athletes are only people and none of us are perfect.
 
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But most of us know that Lance is just the result of chemical enhancement, the result of Ferrari's hard work. Without PED he would never have won TDF or finished in top 20-30!
You are just repeating what you have heard on the forum on almost every single thread, and speak with no authority.

How about you compile a list of all the TdF riders who finished behind LA, and then strike off the ones who are also known or suspected of using PED's. Then see how far you have to go down the list until you get 30 on the list ahead of him as 'natural' riders. I think you will spend a long time working on the list.

So whilst I am not in denial about the information relating to doping with him, he was a natural athlete at the age of 15 in triathlons so has some ability. There is also no doubt that he has been very thorough and single-minded in his approach to the Tour which is what he set out to win.

So without sounding like a 'Lance-lover' he has done what he has in a tainted sporting arena, and there is really no way to dismiss him as any better or worse than others.
 
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nobody said:
Have you ever heard or read something about Merckx, Hinault,... sueing or threatening their opponents?

Maybe Merckx and Hinault had the same stupid behaviour but we have less exemples of them. And we have never seen them lying on their podium. We have never seen them trying to control our mind...
Who is that man who dare to act like a little dictator or an omnipotent guru of a sect?

Nobody,

If you know anything about the history of the sport you will know The peloton has been controlled for many years (pretty much as long as the tour has been going) and riders have been bullied and threatened by the 'Patron' of the peloton and the reasons we didn't see it was because the media wasn't as sophisticated as it now and therefore we see and hear so much more.

Don't put forward people like Merckx and Hinault as any kind of icons of fair play as they were both known as being merciless on people that didn't tow the line in the peloton and that probably included drugs !!!
 
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You are just repeating what you have heard on the forum on almost every single thread, and speak with no authority.

How about you compile a list of all the TdF riders who finished behind LA, and then strike off the ones who are also known or suspected of using PED's. Then see how far you have to go down the list until you get 30 on the list ahead of him as 'natural' riders. I think you will spend a long time working on the list.

So whilst I am not in denial about the information relating to doping with him, he was a natural athlete at the age of 15 in triathlons so has some ability. There is also no doubt that he has been very thorough and single-minded in his approach to the Tour which is what he set out to win.

So without sounding like a 'Lance-lover' he has done what he has in a tainted sporting arena, and there is really no way to dismiss him as any better or worse than others.
Hey man,

You have a point with all dopers out, he would be in top 10...

According his time on climb on his 3 first TDF, he was just able to produce at best 370 watt cyclismag equivalent, for performance in the first half of TDF.... where Hinault or Lemond were able to reach 390 watts in the last week.
Without blood doping he showed that he could be strong but just on a short period. He could not last on many stages so that is why we do think he could not be in a top 20 if everyone was not using PED.
 
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Nobody,

If you know anything about the history of the sport you will know The peloton has been controlled for many years (pretty much as long as the tour has been going) and riders have been bullied and threatened by the 'Patron' of the peloton and the reasons we didn't see it was because the media wasn't as sophisticated as it now and therefore we see and hear so much more.

Don't put forward people like Merckx and Hinault as any kind of icons of fair play as they were both known as being merciless on people that didn't tow the line in the peloton and that probably included drugs !!!

You are confusing acting like a patron and acting like a mafioso.
To know and have seen Hinault, I can say he can be too hard with people but I or it was never reported that he crossed the red line.
Did he call lab as liar, uncompetent,... and so?
Did he insult people by wearing stupid tee-shirt? Did he threaten people with whom he disagred or was "forced to tell the truth at a civil case?
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He was a bear, a badger but he don't try to manipulate people with lies and tales. He gives directly his opinion.
 
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You are confusing acting like a patron and acting like a mafioso.
To know and have seen Hinault, I can say he can be too hard with people but I or it was never reported that he crossed the red line.
Did he call lab as liar, uncompetent,... and so?
Did he insult people by wearing stupid tee-shirt? Did he threaten people with whom he disagred or was "forced to tell the truth at a civil case?
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He was a bear, a badger but he don't try to manipulate people with lies and tales. He gives directly his opinion.

Sorry nobody you are saying you know Hinault ?? I really don't want to have to trawl the web finding crap about Hinault because it's all there including drug allegations, bullying, Omerta. I think Hinault and Merckx are probably the greatest of the great but again they were no angels and we shouldn't put them up on pedestals with rose tinted glasses.

As far as things like Labs, Civil cases etc I am telling you now they would NOT have been any different to Armstrong as they were both as arrogant as him.
 
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Hey man,

You have a point with all dopers out, he would be in top 10...

According his time on climb on his 3 first TDF, he was just able to produce at best 370 watt cyclismag equivalent, for performance in the first half of TDF.... where Hinault or Lemond were able to reach 390 watts in the last week.
Without blood doping he showed that he could be strong but just on a short period. He could not last on many stages so that is why we do think he could not be in a top 20 if everyone was not using PED.

Not even that... 30-50 places everyone undoped. If Lance raced the Tour clean this year (with 50+ storing blood in the freezer) he'd DNF for sure or be way outside the top 50... hours behind nobody. You wouldnt see him at all, he'd be gone on the first significant climbs.

You have to look at Lances pre-Ferrari Tours Nobody... He DNFd the 1993 Tour, he DNFd the 1994 Tour, and he finished 36th in 1995. Pre-Ferrari Lance was a TDF mule or goat for the best and yes, he was jacked on epo and HGH at this point.

Lance weighs 10 pounds more than lemond did and he would never ever get to 370 watts clean now at 37 yrs old. His highest undoped V02 max was 81 and this was in his youth (1993). He hit it again at 27 in 1999. Lance would never get past 5.1 watts per kilo clean. Dead serious.

Past freaks like Hinault, Lemond, Fingon could ride Alp D'Huez in 42 mins... Totally clean Lance would never break 50 mins even with the lightest modern day bike setup going. Even if Lance got down to 158 pounds and got his FTP up to 370 his time would be 50:30 or so.
 

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Excellent article printed in the Irish Times - no its not a tabloid paper.....
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HE ARRIVES at Doonbeg Golf Club in the late afternoon. His transatlantic flight was badly delayed. He hasn’t slept in two days. His wife and three kids got in yesterday. Now they’re missing. And the first thing Greg LeMond does is start unpacking his bike.

He spreads out the different parts in the main courtyard. Frame, wheels, handlebars, saddle. A few golfers pass by looking bemused. Isn’t that the famous American cyclist? Before Lance Armstrong came along? With one small wrench he has the bike assembled in five minutes. “LeMond” is written along the white frame and forks. He leans it against the wall; it gleams in the sunshine.

“Best way to deal with the jet lag,” he says with a smile. “Go for a bike ride.”

Story of Greg LeMond’s life. Best way to deal with his prodigious sporting talent? Go for a bike ride. Best way to handle his Attention Deficit Disorder? Go for a bike ride. Best way to cope with his fame? Go for a bike ride. Best way to recover from his near fatal shotgun wound? Go for a bike ride. Best way to manage his depression? Go for a bike ride.

Only in recent years has he realised this was the best way of dealing with the abuse he suffered as a 13-year-old growing up in Washoe Valley, Nevada. Go for a bike ride. These days it’s the best way to deal with his increasingly bitter litigation battle with team Armstrong. Go for a bike ride.

Story of Greg LeMond’s life. If only it were an uncomplicated as going for a ride.

“Have you got a pump?” he asks. “I forgot my pump.”

THE THREE-TIME winner of the Tour de France, the man who introduced professional cycling to the joys of time-trial handlebars, aeroframes, wind-tunnel testing, heart-rate monitors, Oakley sunglasses and Giro helmets, has forgotten his pump. I’m tempted to say no and let him ride on flat tyres. That might even things up.

“Ha ha, right,” – and we head off along the magnificent coast. A tour of the west Clare countryside which LeMond discovered last year. He couldn’t get enough of it so he’s back for more, basing himself at Doonbeg where he can share in his other passion outside of cycling: golf. Maybe it’s the weather, maybe it’s where he is, but straightaway he’s disarmingly open, utterly unpretentious.

“Hey, you’re a little skinny,” he says. I’m thinking he looks a little heavy. He’s two days shy of his 48th birthday but his powerful, athletic frame is still as striking as that Kennedy-like smile. So is his competitive spirit. “I know some nice little hills up this way,” he says, setting the pace.

There is no reason for him to be so generous with his time.

Story of Greg LeMond’s life. When the organisers of this weekend’s BDO Get Back Challenge in Doonbeg asked him to lend his name to their event – a fundraiser for cancer care and activities for disadvantaged children – the one condition was he could ride some of the way. He’s good fun, as we say over here. The real deal, as they say over there. I’m looking at him on his bike, thinking he still fits it like a glove. A few miles later I’m wondering if I’ll last the pace. I can barely keep up. With his conversation, that is – as over the next hour he takes me on a whirlwind tour of his extraordinary career. He does have a tendency to wander, but he never once pauses for breath. Retelling stories he’s told countless times, still with childlike enthusiasm.

How he first comes to Europe in 1978, age 17. How a year later he wins the World Junior road race title. How two years after that, courted by Bernard Hinault and celebrated directeur sportif Cyrille Guimard, he’s racing professionally in the peloton with Renault-Elf-Gitane. “My French was pretty crude. Still is. So I actually spent more time in Belgium. Plus they had BBC.”

How in 1983, age 22, he becomes the first American to win the World Championship. And how he takes to the Tour de France: 1984, third – best young rider; 1985, second – beaten only by Hinault, his team leader; 1986, first – again the first American champion, this time leaving Hinault in his wake. That’s the kind of sporting talent he was blessed with. That’s also why LeMond never needed to play around with doping, and why – almost unique in professional cycling – there is zero evidence he ever did.

“I was beating the East Germans at age 18. Beat them all. None of the teams I rode with ever had any organised doping. Whatever riders did take, they took on their own. I didn’t need to. But I don’t think it made a big difference. Because no one was dramatically better. For athletes, placebos are very powerful. Give a rider an aspirin and say its go-go juice, and they’ll feel great.

“The problem is that every rider has their own ego. It became a vicious cycle. If someone was better, they didn’t want to admit he’s just better. They believe it’s something else. Like, what’s he on? Riders will take anything because they think somebody else is doing it. It became like an arms race. The landscape changed so much. It became a science, and suddenly endocrinologists, haematologists were leading the way in training. Not physiologists. It just became a different animal.”

It’s a subject we’ll return to later. Out past Doughmore Bay it’s too beautiful a setting for such serious conversation. So I ask him about being shot. He points to right side of his back. “A complete accident. Bang. I just felt bad for my brother-in-law. It was his first time hunting. But you know, maybe it was a mixed blessing. I’d been pushing my body so hard, non-stop, for nearly 10 years by then. Maybe I needed that break, to come back and do what I did after.”

EASY TO SAY that now. Not so easy then. It was April 1987 and he was two months away from defending his maillot jaune. And he was 15 seconds away from dying. He was saved by a primitive mobile phone, a police helicopter and a nearby hospital that specialised in gunshot wounds. When the shell exploded about 40 lead pellets ripped through his back and legs, and into his small intestine, liver, diaphragm and heart lining. The surgeons could only remove a few of them, and 37 pellets remain exactly where they’re not supposed to be.

For several weeks after he couldn’t walk across the room. It should have finished him as a professional cyclist. Instead, he won back his maillot jaune in 1989, famously surpassing Laurent Fignon by a mere eight seconds in the final time trial down the Champs-Élysées. Next time he did defend it, in 1990, by over two minutes, despite not winning a stage.

With that the conversation gets serious again. Just a few weeks ago Fignon revealed he has advanced pancreatic cancer. He’s the same age as LeMond. He won the Tour in 1983 and 1984. He may only have months to live. So he’s put out a book about his life, Nous Étions Jeunes et Insouciants – We Were Young and Carefree. In it Fignon admits to taking amphetamines and cortisone shots during his career. He twice failed a drugs test. No one can say for sure this contributed to his cancer.

LeMond’s face immediately saddens. “It makes you think about how short life is. I had dinner with him at last year’s Tour. I’ve always liked Fignon. People think we’re bitter enemies. But we’re not. We were team-mates. He was different to the other riders. He was a thinker.

“He’s thinks now that the drugs he took may be related. But I don’t think anything Fignon was on is related to cancer. I mean, he was on the baby aspirin. It was always a wink, or a joke, at dinner table. ‘Can’t wait ’till the Tour is over, and we don’t have to feel pain anymore’. The problem was the criterion races, which came after. They were all fixed, and kind of disgusting. But they were even more painful, because you’re racing flat out.
 

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“So you have to understand why amphetamines got there. In the ’50s and ’60s, they weren’t considered cheating. They were considered taking care of your body. Like a soigneur. Then there was the transition, where it became illegal, and there was drug testing. But there was still the leftover through the ’70s and ’80s.

“Also, talk to any psychiatrist with a brain and he’ll tell you Type A personalities are in cycling. They come into cycling because it calms their brain down. But the thing about cycling is that it creates depression. It’s natural to seek a stimulant to get out of that. And that can become highly addictive. It’s not performance enhancing. It’s just the beginning of the end.”

The end, certain cyclists would admit, came sometime around 1990, when a newly-discovered drug aimed at treating kidney disease flooded the sport: erythropoietin. Better known these days as EPO. It became not just the drug of choice but the drug of necessity. LeMond thinks so anyway. He rode the 1991 Tour and took seventh, but three years later he couldn’t even finish. Something had changed. Riders he would normally drop without breaking sweat were sticking with him. Several more were further on up the road. He reckoned he was just burnt out. He retired.

“We should probably head back,” he says. “I like to push myself, still, but I got to be careful these days. I found that a couple of years ago, when I started back riding a lot more. The more I pushed myself, the worse I felt. I ended up in the Mayo Clinic for a week, last year, doing some tests. The problem, we think, is those lead pellets. When I push myself now, the body goes catabolic, and that leaks some lead into my system. I’m going to have to get them taken out. I don’t know. That’s a big operation.”

We shower and agree to meet in the Doonbeg Lodge, overlooking the first tee. I tell him I’ll bring along my tape recorder, get some stuff on the record. “None of this,” he says, “is off the record.”

I’m just not sure what he can say about Lance Armstrong. Turns out he has plenty to say.

INEVITABLY THEIR careers became entangled. Armstrong won the World Championship in 1993, the first American since LeMond. In 1996, he overcame cancer. A survivor, in his own way, like LeMond. And in 1999, he won the Tour, his first of seven, and the first American since LeMond. Shortly after that LeMond questioned Armstrong’s association with the Italian doctor Michele Ferrari, and his alleged doping practices. Since then any relationship between Armstrong and LeMond has gone from bad to worse.

It could be seen as just personal. Except it’s not. It’s about business. It’s about fighting for what you believe in. LeMond started his own bicycle company in 1990, then two years later signed a deal with Trek. They would manufacture and distribute the bikes and sell them under LeMond’s name. But by 2001, when LeMond raised his concerns about Michele Ferrari, by far the biggest name on Trek’s books was Lance Armstrong. LeMond, under pressure, retracted, but the fall-out was only beginning. Eight years later it’s headed for the courts; LeMond claims Armstrong, as a way of getting back, was responsible for Trek’s neglect of his line of bikes, which ended the deal completely last year.

“Believe me, I want to walk away from this,” he says. “But right now I’m suing Trek. I’m really not the litigation type. I don’t even want to say disparaging things about Lance, because I don’t think he’s worth it, really.

“He’s starting to paint me as disillusioned, unstable. Now that I realise Trek is over and I don’t have a gag order I’ve been a little more outspoken. But I haven’t just been talking about Lance. The guy has an obsession with me, somehow thinks when I talk about drugs, rehabilitations, I must be talking about him. That’s not a good sign.

“Why can’t we have an open, intellectual debate about it? They want to shut everybody down who talks about it. What I don’t get is, I make comments about cycling in general, about doping, and he always relates them to him. I’m not talking about him. I’m talking about the sport in general.

“It’s all just made me aware of how really corrupt the world of cycling has become. I’m just amazed at how many peoples’ morals are for sale. It’s just a matter of price. They’re trying to take everything away. My business, my reputation. But I am a fighter. And I will go down in flames.”

If LeMond has learnt one thing from the doping mess that has crippled cycling, has somehow become a stronger person because of it all, it’s the importance of being honest with yourself as much as everyone else. About coming clean. For most of his life he told nobody about the sexual abuse he suffered at the hands of an old family friend sometime around 1974. Until he couldn’t keep it in any longer. In a twisted way, what convinced him to speak out was a phone call from Floyd Landis, the third American to win the Tour, in 2006. Landis was about to be stripped of that title for failing a drugs test, and LeMond pleaded with him to tell the truth. That keeping it secret, like he did his abuse, could destroy him.

What happened next was even more twisted, as Landis’ business manager tried to scare LeMond from testifying in the doping trial by pretending (in a phone call) to be the man that abused him as a kid. As traumatic as this was, it proved to LeMond how sick the sport had become.

“Because of what happened to me as a kid, the abuse, I was trying to please everyone. Trying to do the right thing. Maybe some people thought I was naive. But it’s the same with the riders right now. I know they don’t want to be doing this. They’re like lab rats. That’s why I’ve likened it to somebody who is being abused. They think they’re willing participants, but they’re not able to make that adult, long-term decision. And when they’re 45 or 50 they’ll look back and go, ‘God . . .’

“It’s one thing harming yourself. I’ve done stuff I’m not proud of. Tried recreational drugs. It’s another thing when you’re consciously manipulating, and trying to cheat other people. That to me is a big difference. I see Floyd Landis and Tyler Hamilton as tragic stories. Marco Pantani as well. I know some people look on them as the problem. They’re not the problem.

“They’re tragedies of the rules not being implemented. Who makes sure the rules are implemented? The governing body. There are some big efforts being made, but it only takes one person to mess it up. There should be no questioning when it comes to implementing the rules. There is enough good science now to get 98 per cent of doping out of the sport.

“It’s just like what happened on Wall Street lately. If you have the fox guarding the hen house. It’s about a trust system. Nobody trusts anybody. Some people are trying to make a living doing it the right way. Some people are trying to get away with murder. So you lose trust. Cycling has mimicked that.”

It’s a sad way to end an extraordinary day with an extraordinary man.

Next Saturday, LeMond will head to Monaco for the start of the 96th Tour de France. “I don’t even know if I want to be there,” he says. “Last year I was a little more hopeful, and then . . . I mean, right now, would I get back involved with professional cycling? No. Would I like my kids to get involved with professional cycling? No way. For me, it’s a lost cause.”
 
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Nice article. I think he used more than just "recreational" drugs. I believe he used steroids. Just my opinion. No question EPO changed the sport. But autologous blood doping was around during his era as well. Did he do that type of doping? The U.S. Olympic cyling team did in 1984, and there is little dispute about that. So, I don't believe Lemond was clean, or that the pro peloton of his era was clean. No way. And I think he should talk less about Armstrong and confront Armstrong a bit less. I think his comments are self-serving, although the Irish Times article puts a good spin on it. He sounds hypocritical. Hard to trust him, although I don't disagree with him that Armstrong has been doping for a very, very long time.
 
Good article, WBT. His link between personality types attracted to cycling and depression is interesting in light of Pantani, Jimenez, Hamilton, etc.

I really think Lemond lawyers will tear Trek a new one. He has a great record when it comes to lawsuits.
 
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Nice article. I think he used more than just "recreational" drugs. I believe he used steroids. Just my opinion. No question EPO changed the sport. But autologous blood doping was around during his era as well. Did he do that type of doping? The U.S. Olympic cyling team did in 1984, and there is little dispute about that. So, I don't believe Lemond was clean, or that the pro peloton of his era was clean. No way. And I think he should talk less about Armstrong and confront Armstrong a bit less. I think his comments are self-serving, although the Irish Times article puts a good spin on it. He sounds hypocritical. Hard to trust him, although I don't disagree with him that Armstrong has been doping for a very, very long time.

Interesting that everyone keeps pointing to the 1984 Olympics as a point of reference for Lemond and blood doping. If my memory serves me right the only Olympics Lemond was going to ride at was the 1980 Olympics.......and wasn't Lemond a Pro Cyclist in 1984.....the rules for pros participating in the olympics back then was clear......only Amatuers....
 
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Nice article. I think he used more than just "recreational" drugs. I believe he used steroids. Just my opinion. No question EPO changed the sport. But autologous blood doping was around during his era as well. Did he do that type of doping? The U.S. Olympic cyling team did in 1984, and there is little dispute about that. So, I don't believe Lemond was clean, or that the pro peloton of his era was clean. No way. And I think he should talk less about Armstrong and confront Armstrong a bit less. I think his comments are self-serving, although the Irish Times article puts a good spin on it. He sounds hypocritical. Hard to trust him, although I don't disagree with him that Armstrong has been doping for a very, very long time.
To suggest that Lemond coud have used blood doping is a bit strech because blood doping provides a huge increase of power but his performance have stayed constant and similar to Hinault.
That was not the case for Indurain, Riis,... and others riders like Armstrong able to produce 20% more power with EPO or blood doping.

Always good to check if an hypothesis produces the previsible effect.
 
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Lot of opinions being thrown around here as if they were facts.
Certainly LeMond could have blood doped, if he was careful about it and never over did it. Maybe, maybe not, but absent actual proof, rather than inference by estimated power, no way to say for sure.

Similarly this stuff about Armstrong going from donkey to hero, based solely on the idea that he is exceptionally responsible to doping and that Ferrari is exceptionally better than the guys that were working for Telekom. There is absolutely no real scientific proof to either of those things, just some inferences and guesses.
Not saying he doped or didn't. Seems likely he did, and may well still be doing so. But those other things are pure speculation.