Stephanie testifies today

[Race Radio]

What happens when you lie for the cause?

Your husband get promoted
http://business.transworld.net/7630/news/pat-mcilvain-promoted-to-vp-of-sports-marketing-at-oakley/

 

[theswordsman]

Yep.

Why can a grand jury witness talk about his or her testimony?

In the federal courts, the witness is not sworn to secrecy, and may disclose whatever he or she wishes to whomever he or she wishes. The witness exemption was adopted in part because it was thought that requiring witness secrecy was unrealistic and unenforceable, and in part to allow the witness to rebut rumors concerning his or her testimony. There is a basic revulsion in the United States about secret testimony.

http://www.abanet.org/media/faqjury.html

 

[indurain666]

When I read the quotes, first I felt nauseous, then I couldn't wait for the legal system to have it's way with her, .....ments on the record, even if they're denials. If someone rephrases a question and you answer with the same lie, does it count as two separate counts of perjury?

Considering the lengthy time (7 hours), for me it explains a lot of what happened in there. A truthful honest statement would have taken, IMO, maximum of 2 hours. GJ obviously smelled BS within the first few statements. If you can't get the truth at least try to find out where the lies are. So they kept questioning her as these guys are clever and are well trained on how to get the truth, like detectives from Cops, First 48 or Judge Judy.

My guess is that they either broke her down (not that hard to do, considering she is an emotional wreck) or simply gathered enough holes on her statement to know that she was not being honest.

 

[mikeNphilly]

That was in June of 2008....the promotion in Oakley I mean

 

[sherer]

not sure how people can say the 7 hours means she said on thing or the other.

If she says LA never said he took PEDs and the tape is just gossip then Novitzy and his team will go on at her for 7 hours.

If she says LA took PEDs and admitted it then LAs legal team will grill her for 7 hours.

All you can tell from the 7 hours is she was probably asked a lot of questions

 

[Boeing]

I have what might be a stupid question and if so I accept the blasting in advance

Are they asking about an alleged admission to doping PRE cancer? Pre recovery? Pre TDF wins?

 

[theswordsman]

I have what might be a stupid question and if so I accept the blasting in advance

Are they asking about an alleged admission to doping PRE cancer? Pre recovery? Pre TDF wins?

She was supposed to be in a hospital room when Lance was in there for cancer, and a doctor asked him if he'd ever used performance enhancing drugs. Frankie and Betsy Andreu were in the room and said Lance mentioned a number of them. McIlvain testified otherwise under oath in a lawsuit. She's known him a long time, so she was probably questioned about the time since then as well.

 

[Benotti69]

She was supposed to be in a hospital room when Lance was in there for cancer, and a doctor asked him if he'd ever used performance enhancing drugs. Frankie and Betsy Andreu were in the room and said Lance mentioned a number of them. McIlvain testified otherwise under oath in a lawsuit. She's known him a long time, so she was probably questioned about the time since then as well.

is there the possibility that they have testimony from Landis about times she was on the bus and they were transfusing?

They may also have stuff from Hamilton's testimony in relation to her being around the team when PEDs were being given out, taken etc...

do we know how many have testified, were interviewed or talked to Novitsky at this stage?

I imagine they brought McIlvain in at this stage as they had something strong on her apart from what we know.

 

[Boeing]

She was supposed to be in a hospital room when Lance was in there for cancer, and a doctor asked him if he'd ever used performance enhancing drugs. Frankie and Betsy Andreu were in the room and said Lance mentioned a number of them. McIlvain testified otherwise under oath in a lawsuit. She's known him a long time, so she was probably questioned about the time since then as well.

So it will be interesting what exactly the alleged denial was referring to.

Perhaps she was truthful if asked about the time period post cancer......
besides trying to establish a pattern, what do you think an admission in a hospital bed has to do with doping at postal?

 

[Merckx index]

Well, one thing this establishes is that we are going to learn about things that are said during the GJ testimony. Personally, I don't buy the theory that SI told the truth, then had her lawyer intentionally lie about what she said. That sounds like wishful thinking to me. But even if that's the case, this episode demonstrates that stuff is going to leak out of the courtroom. The fact that her lawyer commented at all seems significant to me.

We don't have to look forward to months or even years of a black-out. More will be forthcoming. Maybe the lawyers here knew this all along, but it wasn't clear to me.

 

[theswordsman]

So it will be interesting what exactly the alleged denial was referring to.

Perhaps she was truthful if asked about the time period post cancer......
besides trying to establish a pattern, what do you think an admission in a hospital bed has to do with doping at postal?

The investigation doesn't have to be completely about Postal. If McIlvain had agreed under oath with Betsy and Frankie that Lance did admit to using performance enhancing drugs, he might not have gotten $7.5 million from the SCA lawsuit. It also would have established him as a doper and a liar, so when he entered into the relationship with Postal, he would have done so knowing that he'd violate the terms by doping. He's made a lot of money from a variety of sources over the years by insisting that he's clean - book sales, commercials, appearance fees, salary, and on and on.

 

[Boeing]

The investigation doesn't have to be completely about Postal. If McIlvain had agreed under oath with Betsy and Frankie that Lance did admit to using performance enhancing drugs, he might not have gotten $7.5 million from the SCA lawsuit. It also would have established him as a doper and a liar, so when he entered into the relationship with Postal, he would have done so knowing that he'd violate the terms by doping. He's made a lot of money from a variety of sources over the years by insisting that he's clean - book sales, commercials, appearance fees, salary, and on and on.

all good points and I concur

The more I read about this case the more I wonder exactly what the investigation wants to establish as its primary argument.

it is going to be interesting still

thanks

 

[Escarabajo]

So it will be interesting what exactly the alleged denial was referring to.

Perhaps she was truthful if asked about the time period post cancer......
besides trying to establish a pattern, what do you think an admission in a hospital bed has to do with doping at postal?

In order to stablish a pattern of doping pre-postal.

I asked the same question few weeks ago.

 

[hfer07]

I honestly was expecting this to happen, since she's part of the LA machinery-- the problem for her is going to be a 7 hour testimony of lies when the investigation gets deeper & conflicts with her version of the facts...

 

[theswordsman]

I honestly was expecting this to happen, since she's part of the LA machinery-- the problem for her is going to be a 7 hour testimony of lies when the investigation gets deeper & conflicts with her version of the facts...

And the chance that she'll go through all of it again as part of the whistle blower lawsuit. And during a possible trial. And maybe some sort of action by SCA.

Next question - how many people will be called before the grand jury who aren't implicated in any kind of wrongdoing. I imagine they would be the ones most likely to leak stuff, even if it's anonymously to the WSJ or something.

 

[AnythingButKestrel]

I think the mistake that we're all making in evaluating everyone's motives in this is that we assume that Armstrong is a person. Armstrong(TM) is a brand, and it's a brand that's currently worth in the tens of millions if not hundreds to Trek, SRAM, Busch, Nissan, Oakley, etc., so it's not surprising that corporate weasels are either lying (or simply ignoring the thunderingly obvious) to protect it.

Steffy is part of Oakley's marketing department, so it's highly likely that she "owns" the LA marketing campaign in one way or another. If she actually spilled, her lawyer's statement is just a way to give her time to change careers before she gets walked out the door with her personal effects in a copy paper box.

The only way the lying is going to stop is if there is an organized boycott of the companies involved. Why not pin up a list of everything LA is connected to? Personally, I wouldn't give another thin dime to Trek, Oakley, etc. Based on the latest opinion poll, at least 45% of the general public might feel the same.

 

[Benotti69]

I think the mistake that we're all making in evaluating everyone's motives in this is that we assume that Armstrong is a person. Armstrong(TM) is a brand, and it's a brand that's currently worth in the tens of millions if not hundreds to Trek, SRAM, Busch, Nissan, Oakley, etc., so it's not surprising that corporate weasels are either lying (or simply ignoring the thunderingly obvious) to protect it.

Steffy is part of Oakley's marketing department, so it's highly likely that she "owns" the LA marketing campaign in one way or another. If she actually spilled, her lawyers statement is just a way to give her time to change careers before she gets walked out the door with her personal effects in a copy paper box.

The only way the lying is going to stop is if there is an organized boycott of the companies involved. Why not pin up a list of everything LA is connected to? Personally, I wouldn't give another thin dime to Trek, Oakley, etc. Based on the latest opinion poll, at least 45% of the general public might feel the same.

i would be curious to know what he is involved in, i know about twek Srim etc..but would like to know others...

 

[Berzin]

Since when that been the "American way"?...it aint even the UK way, the Italian way, The German or French way...or any other countries way if your in the highest echelons of business, politics , church or media.
Sure , we get the odd sacrifice to keep up the illusion but thats all we ever get. [/QUOTE]

I was being sarcastic.

 

[Berzin]

Since when has that been the "American way"? It ain't even the UK way, the Italian way, The German or French way...or any other countries way if your in the highest echelons of business, politics , church or media.
Sure, we get the odd sacrifice to keep up the illusion but that's all we ever get.

I was being sarcastic about that whole "Truth, Justice and the American Way" stuff.

Man, everyone's rolling their eyes at me today. What's up with that?

 

[Merckx index]

Sign of the (changing) times. Huffington Post repeats the story about SI's testimony, but I love the title they put to it:

Lance Armstrong Finally Finds Someone To Defend Him

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/09/23/lance-armstrong-finally-f_n_736146.html

 

[thehog]

Sign of the (changing) times. Huffington Post repeats the story about SI's testimony, but I love the title they put to it:

Lance Armstrong Finally Finds Someone To Defend Him

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/09/23/lance-armstrong-finally-f_n_736146.html

In an e-mail, Betsy Andreu accused McIlvain of lying under oath Wednesday. "Stephanie not only talked about Lance's use of performance-enhancing drugs with me and Frankie but with many others as well."

She said there will be "overwhelming" evidence to support her claims that Armstrong said he used performance-enhancing drugs.

I wonder if Novi will do a DNA test on Hincapie’s kids to check if they’re aliens?

 

[sartain]

I think the mistake that we're all making in evaluating everyone's motives in this is that we assume that Armstrong is a person. Armstrong(TM) is a brand, and it's a brand that's currently worth in the tens of millions if not hundreds to Trek, SRAM, Busch, Nissan, Oakley, etc., so it's not surprising that corporate weasels are either lying (or simply ignoring the thunderingly obvious) to protect it.

Steffy is part of Oakley's marketing department, so it's highly likely that she "owns" the LA marketing campaign in one way or another. If she actually spilled, her lawyers statement is just a way to give her time to change careers before she gets walked out the door with her personal effects in a copy paper box.

The only way the lying is going to stop is if there is an organized boycott of the companies involved. Why not pin up a list of everything LA is connected to? Personally, I wouldn't give another thin dime to Trek, Oakley, etc. Based on the latest opinion poll, at least 45% of the general public might feel the same.

ABK,

You are just NOW getting around to thinking this way? I have not spent one thin dime with Trek, Oakley, Giro and Nike for well over a decade because of this, plus I do not like any of the products they make anyway, most especially Nike's junk.

 

[Tubeless]

it is possible that McIlvain told the truth but who would know apart from McIlvain, Feds, Grand Jury and Novitsky, but the PR spin is for others who maybe thinking of doing the same?

I think we'll have to call inconclusive on this one. Both theories:

- Stephanie lied to the GJ, lawyer told the truth about her testimony, and
- Stephanie told the truth to the GJ, lawyer lied about her testimony

have a reasonable explanation.

My guess is that she told the truth and had hew lawyer lie for her. They figured this approach has the best chance to protect her both short term - and long term:

1. She won't be charged with perjury. This has got to be the lawyer's #1 advise to her client. The stakes are not high enough for her to risk jail time as she's not a target of this inquiry herself.

2. There's a chance Armstrong won't be indicted. In that case, her testimony will stay secret, and her lawyer's comments is the only story anyone will know. All is well.

3. Armstrong is eventually indicted, but she needs public cover to keep working as if nothing had changed, free of short term retribution from Armstrong, her employer, from other parties connected to the case.

4. They concluded that it's better for her lawyer to lie than be silent. This goes back to #3 since there would have obviously been pressure on her to relay her testimony privately to the same folks.

And for those who think lawyers never lie to protect their client? Just check out any statement by Mr Fabiani, a spokesperson and a lawyer for Mr Armstrong.

 

[theswordsman]

I was being sarcastic about that whole "Truth, Justice and the American Way" stuff.

Man, everyone's rolling their eyes at me today. What's up with that?

I was a big fan of the old Superman TV series, so I'll give you props for the quote.

 

[Darryl Webster]

I was being sarcastic about that whole "Truth, Justice and the American Way" stuff.

Man, everyone's rolling their eyes at me today. What's up with that?

...no worries Berzin, I think many of us have become so cynical were in danger of loosing our sence of humour....not suprising though.

Lol.